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who would win this fight any why

I'll just say that magnus would kill Prown with one shot.
Prowl does not have the strenght
Prowl does not have the firepower
magnus is a much better shot anyway
magnus can think on his feet ,Prowl can't
Prowl died being shot once
magnus died Twice BY a lot of fire power
magnus even came back from the dead twice!!!!
I think Prowl has nothing to offerIN this fight that Ultramagnus can't just shake off.What do you guys think

victoryconvoy wrote:Prowl does not have the strenght

According to the tech specs they are very close in strengths.[2 point difference]

Prowl does not have the firepower

According to the tech specs they are very close in firepower.[2 point difference]

magnus is a much better shot anyway

Total speculation.

The ability to shoot falls under skills, Prowl out ranks UM in skill.

magnus can think on his feet ,Prowl can't

Not even sure how you came to this conclusion.

They are equally as smart.

And theres no way Prowl would have been Otimus's chief Military Strategist with out being able to think on his feet.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

victoryconvoy wrote:Prowl does not have the strenght

According to the tech specs they are very close in strengths.[2 point difference]

Prowl does not have the firepower

According to the tech specs they are very close in firepower.[2 point difference]

magnus is a much better shot anyway

Total speculation.

The ability to shoot falls under skills, Prowl out ranks UM in skill.

magnus can think on his feet ,Prowl can't

Not even sure how you came to this conclusion.

They are equally as smart.

And theres no way Prowl would have been Otimus's chief Military Strategist with out being able to think on his feet.

victoryconvoy:tech spec says that prow does have a problem
when plans are aganst logic also says magnus does a very good job when it comes to improvising

victoryconvoy wrote:victoryconvoy:tech spec says that prow does have a problem

Not any that support your earlier claims.

when plans are aganst logic

No, the tech spec does not say that,

His extended Marvel Universe profile does.

sir ,I sugest that you look over the tech specs again.
You seem to be trying to make a point that is not valid.
Why don't you post the tech spechs up so we can all decide for our selfs.To be quite frank,Ultramagnus is a far supirior fighter in any continuity that we can talk about.
Let's remember that this was the same charecter that bested U.K. Galvatron,not even powermaster Prime was able to do that.Untill you can come up with proof that Prown can beat magnus I will stick with my original choice

In his profile, it specifically states that Prowl doesn't do well with 'unexpected events'? Maybe his logic processors wouldn't be able to comprehend facing a fellow Autobot, thereby producing a spontaneous self-destruct.

Blast Cannon wrote:In his profile, it specifically states that Prowl doesn't do well with 'unexpected events'? Maybe his logic processors wouldn't be able to comprehending facing a fellow Autobot, thereby producing a spontaneous self-destruct.

Thank you sir.I rest my case......BTW.....If Prowl was such a good shot maybee he would of put up a good fight in the 86 movir.....how you like them apples,holmes

Blast Cannon wrote:In his profile, it specifically states that Prowl doesn't do well with 'unexpected events'? Maybe his logic processors wouldn't be able to comprehend facing a fellow Autobot, thereby producing a spontaneous self-destruct.

Unless he put in his personal planner of course...

08:00 Start gaurd duty

10:00 Prepare report on recent Decepticon combat capability for Prime.

13:00 lunch

18:00 Get seven bales of Sh1t kicked out of me by Ultra Magnus

19;30 Bed- Phew what a day!

Well it's just a thought.

victoryconvoy wrote:sir ,I sugest that you look over the tech specs again.
You seem to be trying to make a point that is not valid.

I suggest you look at it again, because my point is 100% valid.

You claimed the tech spec said "Prowl has a problem when plans are against logic"

Well heres what the tech spec actully says....

Prowl will keep at a task for as long as it takes. Strives to find reason and logic in everything. A listener, not a talker. Has most sophisticated logic center of all Autobots. Able to analyze and advise on complex combat situations almost instantaneously. Fires wire-guided incendiary missiles and high-corrosive acid pellets. The unexpected can often scramble his circuits.

It does not say what you claimed.

You were wrong.

Now it does say the unexpected can scramble his circuits......but thats not exactly the same thing as you claimed.

Why don't you post the tech spechs up so we can all decide for our selfs.

Sure here
http://www.ntfa.net/ntfa/techspecs/inde ... char=Prowl

http://www.ntfa.net/ntfa/techspecs/inde ... tra_Magnus

Let's remember that this was the same charecter that bested U.K. Galvatron,not even powermaster Prime was able to do that.

Lets remember the facts, Ultra Magnus lost that and every fight he had with Gaqlvatron.

Untill you can come up with proof that Prown can beat magnus I will stick with my original choice

I never said Prowl could win.

I said that you were wrong in your claims about Prowls tech spec.

And you were.

.

MightyMagnus78 wrote:

Blast Cannon wrote:In his profile, it specifically states that Prowl doesn't do well with 'unexpected events'? Maybe his logic processors wouldn't be able to comprehend facing a fellow Autobot, thereby producing a spontaneous self-destruct.

Unless he put in his personal planner of course...

08:00 Start gaurd duty

10:00 Prepare report on recent Decepticon combat capability for Prime.

13:00 lunch

18:00 Get seven bales of Sh1t kicked out of me by Ultra Magnus

19;30 Bed- Phew what a day!

Well it's just a thought.

Check-mate.

Curses!

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

victoryconvoy wrote:sir ,I sugest that you look over the tech specs again.
You seem to be trying to make a point that is not valid.

I suggest you look at it again, because my point is 100% valid.

You claimed the tech spec said "Prowl has a problem when plans are against logic"

Well heres what the tech spec actully says....

Prowl will keep at a task for as long as it takes. Strives to find reason and logic in everything. A listener, not a talker. Has most sophisticated logic center of all Autobots. Able to analyze and advise on complex combat situations almost instantaneously. Fires wire-guided incendiary missiles and high-corrosive acid pellets. The unexpected can often scramble his circuits.

It does not say what you claimed.

You were wrong.

Now it does say the unexpected can scramble his circuits......but thats not exactly the same thing as you claimed.

Why don't you post the tech spechs up so we can all decide for our selfs.

Sure here
http://www.ntfa.net/ntfa/techspecs/inde ... char=Prowl

http://www.ntfa.net/ntfa/techspecs/inde ... tra_Magnus

Let's remember that this was the same charecter that bested U.K. Galvatron,not even powermaster Prime was able to do that.

Lets remember the facts, Ultra Magnus lost that and every fight he had with Gaqlvatron.

Untill you can come up with proof that Prown can beat magnus I will stick with my original choice

I never said Prowl could win.

I said that you were wrong in your claims about Prowls tech spec.

And you were.

lets get the real tech specs sir,and magnus did beat galvatron weather you like it or not!!!!

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

victoryconvoy wrote:sir ,I sugest that you look over the tech specs again.
You seem to be trying to make a point that is not valid.

I suggest you look at it again, because my point is 100% valid.

You claimed the tech spec said "Prowl has a problem when plans are against logic"

Well heres what the tech spec actully says....

Prowl will keep at a task for as long as it takes. Strives to find reason and logic in everything. A listener, not a talker. Has most sophisticated logic center of all Autobots. Able to analyze and advise on complex combat situations almost instantaneously. Fires wire-guided incendiary missiles and high-corrosive acid pellets. The unexpected can often scramble his circuits.

It does not say what you claimed.

You were wrong.

Now it does say the unexpected can scramble his circuits......but thats not exactly the same thing as you claimed.

Why don't you post the tech spechs up so we can all decide for our selfs.

Sure here
http://www.ntfa.net/ntfa/techspecs/inde ... char=Prowl

http://www.ntfa.net/ntfa/techspecs/inde ... tra_Magnus

Let's remember that this was the same charecter that bested U.K. Galvatron,not even powermaster Prime was able to do that.

Lets remember the facts, Ultra Magnus lost that and every fight he had with Gaqlvatron.

Untill you can come up with proof that Prown can beat magnus I will stick with my original choice

I never said Prowl could win.

I said that you were wrong in your claims about Prowls tech spec.

And you were.

lets get the real tech specs sir,and magnus did beat galvatron weather you like it or not!!!!

victoryconvoy wrote:

lets get the real tech specs sir,and magnus did beat galvatron weather you like it or not!!!!

That site contains all the correct info from the tech specs.

And if UM beat Galvatron you would be able to prove it.

Galvatron walked away from every fight he had with Ultra Magnus.

Magnus did not.

Look's like some one forgot about his U.K collection they have. Why don't you go back and look over your booksagain sir.You also thought that U.K.Galvatron beat both powermaster prime and rodimus and you were dead wrong sir!
The thing that schocks me right now is that you simply don't have a valid argument for your claims that Prowl can beat magnus, so you try to change the subject any which way you can sir.You bring up pointless arguments to try and prove a point that you don't have proof for! ! !
I simply asked who would win in a fight and you change the subject Why don't you just give us your answer on who you belive could win??Theres no doubt that you could provide a very intersting perspective on what you think would happen,and that's all we want.

victoryconvoy wrote::lol:
Look's like some one forgot about his U.K collection they have. Why don't you go back and look over your booksagain sir.

Nope, I didnt forget.

As a matter of fact I have every issue they wewre in , in my hands right now.

I repeat.Ultra Magnus did not win one single fight.

He foilded Galvatrons plans, but he lost each of the hand to hand fights.

You also thought that U.K.Galvatron beat both powermaster prime and rodimus and you were dead wrong sir!

How was I dead wrong??

Stormwolf wrote:

Rodimus was ko'ed on the ground, and he was handling Power Master Optimus, not to mention that this was a fight that involved well over 20 autobots.

If it wasant for the time storm nothing would have stopped him.

The thing that schocks me right now is that you simply don't have a valid argument for your claims that Prowl can beat magnus,

You know what shocks me??

Your lack of reading skills.

I repeat, I NEVER SAID PROWL CAN WIN

Did you read it this time.

Here it is again.... I NEVER SAID PROWL CAN WIN

I said your claims about what was said in Prowls tech spec were wrong.

And you were wrong.

you try to change the subject any which way you can sir.You bring up pointless arguments to try and prove a point that you don't have proof for! ! !

No, what you try to do is claim your opinions and editorials are facts.

I simply asked who would win in a fight and you change the subject

I changed no subject.

You made a claim about the tech specs, and it was in error.

Man up and admit it.

Why don't you just give us your answer on who you belive could win??Theres no doubt that you could provide a very intersting perspective on what you think would happen,and that's all we want.

I dont disagree with the outcome you have come to.

But the examples you sited are in error.

your picture was brought out in another topic and everyone agreed that you posted it out of context galvatron did not beat all the bots.Another thing I would like to bring up is that I do not force my opinions on anybody unlike some people I know All i'm saying is that It may have been a while since youread up on them you seem to have a bit of a selective memory on what you remember.
I truley value most, if not all your opinions on these forums,But I'm trying to figure out what your opinion is.
You like to comment on a lot of informationby telling people how they are wrong,yet you do a disservice to every one by not joining in on the debate.It truley is a very sad thing since i feel that you have a great deal of knowlege in all things Transformers,yet you act like you are out to prove every one wrong I don't know why you are as angry as you are,but i must admit It really is a hell of a lot of fun reading up on you sir,for that Imust appaud you

victoryconvoy wrote::lol:
your picture was brought out in another topic and everyone agreed that you posted it out of context galvatron did not beat all the bots.

Now your a flat out lier.

I didnt post that in an other thread.

Stormwolf did.

And no one agreed that it was posted out of context.

Stormwolf said he felt it showed a "less then epic" fight.

I disagreed.

That was it.No one else made any other comments about it other then you.

So who is this everyone your talking about???

Stop making things up.

arkbots-vs-galvatron-round-two-t72088s20.php

Another thing I would like to bring up is that I do not force my opinions on anybody unlike some people I know

Then what do you call taking your interpretation of what was said and claiming it as a fact??

You might not realize what your doing, but you are indeed trying to force your opinions and way of thinking on others.

All i'm saying is that It may have been a while since youread up on them you seem to have a bit of a selective memory on what you remember.

Sure.

I read the UK comics yesterday and this morning.

UM never won any of the fights.

The closest he came was knocking out Galvatron for about 3 seconds, then Galvatron got uio and kicked his a$$ again.

I truley value most, if not all your opinions on these forums,But I'm trying to figure out what your opinion is.
You like to comment on a lot of informationby telling people how they are wrong,yet you do a disservice to every one by not joining in on the debate.It truley is a very sad thing since i feel that you have a great deal of knowlege in all things Transformers,yet you act like you are out to prove every one wrong I don't know why you are as angry as you are,but i must admit It really is a hell of a lot of fun reading up on you sir,for that Imust appaud you

I'm not angry at all bud.

And there are time I dont offer an opinion.

Sometimes its because I dont have one [like with the Batman vr's Squirlgirl debate], other times its because I dont disagree with the opinions that have been posted [much like this debate]

But anytime someone makes a claim, calls it a fact, and I know its not, I will correct them.

Like I did here when you made claims about Prowls tech spec., or like you did with Wheelies.

You have taken your interpertations of what was said and tried to force it on us as facts.

Why would you bring up a old topic that every one could see that you were wrong about(but it is your opinion )
Stormwolf corrected you on that fact that the battle did not go the way you thought it did.I really did love that topic with you.If you only knew how Agonising it was waiting for your response for that topic,why can't we go back to that?

victoryconvoy wrote:Why would you bring up a old topic that every one could see that you were wrong about(but it is your opinion )

Because no one proved me wrong.Galvatron did indeed beat just about everything trown at him in that story.

Stormwolf corrected you on that fact that the battle did not go the way you thought it did.

Again your telling lies.

All he said was that he didnt think it was much of a fight.

As a matter of fact this is all he said.

Stormwolf wrote:He didn't really fight PM Prime since he was going through that entire memory thing:
[pictures]
Not much of a fight, eh?

As you can see, all he said was that he didnt think it was much of a fight, nothing about the outcome.

So tell me something....is this what you do when your on the spot??

Lie and make things up.

Its very childish.

I really did love that topic wih you.If you only knew how Agonising it was waiting for your response for that topic,why can't we go back to that?

I'm not sure what you mean.

I made the last post on that thread.

I meant that I enjoyed your answers on that post.It was alot of fun,you made me go back and read the books again.
Lately you have been just very very angry. Just try to relax bro.

victoryconvoy wrote:I meant that I enjoyed your answers on that post.It was alot of fun,you made me go back and read the books again.
Lately you have been just very very angry. Just try to relax bro.

Like I said before, I'm not angry at all.

Its my policy not to get angy with people online...it gets no where.

But what I dont like is your twisting cretin facts....its making me lose respect for you.But we havent turned that corner completely yet.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

victoryconvoy wrote:I meant that I enjoyed your answers on that post.It was alot of fun,you made me go back and read the books again.
Lately you have been just very very angry. Just try to relax bro.

Like I said before, I'm not angry at all.

Its my policy not to get angy with people online...it gets no where.

But what I dont like is your twisting cretin facts....its making me lose respect for you.But we havent turned that corner completely yet.

anyways....

i gotta vote for Maggy on this one, but its not a one sided fight.

Prowl's gonna get in a his share of licks, but magnus' armor should give him the edge on protection.