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News Credits: 2 · by **Decepticon Spike** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:17 pm

Maybe it's the law student in me, but I just can't help but wonder why the judge or jury didn't watch the entire tape when viewing the "evidence". I know I'm trying to use "real world" logic on an 80's cartoon, but I just can't think of a good reason.

See, this is what I think of when I'm stuck at home

by **Dclone Soundwave** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:04 am

As evidenced by Family Guy, cartoon judges & juries are idiots. Complete, utter idiots.

However, in all seriousness, they probably felt threatened by the Decepticons. If they asked to view more of the video, I could see Megatron saying "You've seen enough." and they'd be scared outta thier minds.

News Credits: 4 · by **Firebird** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:54 pm

Shawn Berger paid them off

by **8 bit** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:43 pm

Firebird wrote:Shawn Berger paid them off

Possible. I haven't watched that ep in a while, but wasn't everyone on earth also exposed to anti-Autobot propaganda?

News Credits: 2 · by **Decepticon Spike** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:06 pm

Decepticlone Soundwave wrote:As evidenced by Family Guy, cartoon judges & juries are idiots. Complete, utter idiots.

However, in all seriousness, they probably felt threatened by the Decepticons. If they asked to view more of the video, I could see Megatron saying "You've seen enough." and they'd be scared outta thier minds.

Storywise, that makes sense to me.

News Credits: 460 · by **Sabrblade** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:51 pm

What I wanna know is, what kind of court can order someone off the planet!? That's like a court ordering someone jump off a cliff and sprout wings to fly away.

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:28 pm

Sabrblade wrote:What I wanna know is, what kind of court can order someone off the planet!? That's like a court ordering someone jump off a cliff and sprout wings to fly away.

Transformers are technically illegal aliens, no passport, no visa, no greencard. It's the equivilent of deportation in their case.

the dinobots could be the exception, since they were made in america.

News Credits: 460 · by **Sabrblade** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 4:02 pm

Yeah, but isn't there like an appellate court above them or something?

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 4:08 pm

can you appeal deportation? i'm not sure what the'd be appealing. the only leg to stand on would be a grandfathering clause, since they were here 4 million years, before the US of A became a country.

but proving you were in a coma for 4 million years can't be easy

News Credits: 5 · by **Sledge** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 4:09 pm

I doubt the Autobots are that familiar with America's legal system.

News Credits: 4 · by **craggy** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 4:50 pm

Sledge wrote:I doubt the Autobots are that familiar with America's legal system.

it wouldn't be hard for them to figure it out...actually, these are the same Autobots who built the Dinobots and made them stupid because "dinsaurs had small brains" too. Right. Maybe they were totally outmatched there then.

News Credits: 1 · by **Saber Prime** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:25 pm

The real question is how was the human recording that footage not aware of the footage he shot because remember the Decepticons fooled him too not just the courts and he was actully recording the whole thing.

That entire episode was just porly wrighten, poorly animated, and should never be mentioned ever again.

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:28 pm

Saber Prime wrote:The real question is how was the human recording that footage not aware of the footage he shot because remember the Decepticons fooled him too not just the courts and he was actully recording the whole thing.

That entire episode was just porly wrighten, poorly animated, and should never be mentioned ever again.

SHHHHHH! your talking about it

News Credits: 460 · by **Sabrblade** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:44 pm

Name_Violation wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:The real question is how was the human recording that footage not aware of the footage he shot because remember the Decepticons fooled him too not just the courts and he was actully recording the whole thing.

That entire episode was just porly wrighten, poorly animated, and should never be mentioned ever again.

SHHHHHH! your talking about it

So are you!

Let this never be spoken about again.

...What? I didn't say anything. Move along, nothing to see here. These aren't the droids you're looking for...

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:55 pm

these arent the droids i was lookin for

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:16 pm

Name_Violation wrote:Transformers are technically illegal aliens, no passport, no visa, no greencard. It's the equivilent of deportation in their case.

the dinobots could be the exception, since they were made in america.

Really?????It "says made in Japan" on mine :o)

Saber Prime wrote:The real question is how was the human recording that footage not aware of the footage he shot because remember the Decepticons fooled him too not just the courts and he was actully recording the whole thing.

Actually the guy shooting the footage never saw the end of the recording.

The camera was shoot off the helicopter before the cons took of their "Autobot costumes" and the rest of the tape was shot by a Decepticon..

But the guy's that must have later edited the tape must have been fooled.

Saber Prime wrote:That entire episode was just poorly wrighten, poorly animated, and should never be mentioned ever again.

I agree with all of that but the "poorly animated" bit.

The episode had some errors but it was beautifully animated.

Name_Violation wrote:these arent the droids i was lookin for

You dont need to see his identification 8-}

News Credits: 5 · by **Sledge** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:33 am

craggy wrote:
Sledge wrote:I doubt the Autobots are that familiar with America's legal system.

it wouldn't be hard for them to figure it out

[quote=Wiki]Legal education in the United States normally proceeds along the following route:

Undergraduate education (usually 4 years)
Law school (usually 3 years)
Admission to the bar (usually by taking a state's bar exam)
Legal practice[/quote]Now, I can see that we could argue it might not take someone like Prowl or Perceptor seven years to learn all they needed, but it's not gonna be an overnight process. Besides, the real issue here is "does an American court REALLY have the right to order people off the planet?" That would be one way to deal with the illegal immigration problem.
"Manuel Sanchez, you are found guilt of being an illegal alien. You are sentenced to leave the planet."
"... can't I just go back to Mexico?"
"No. Now get on the rocket."

News Credits: 2 · by **Decepticon Spike** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:49 am

Maybe it was a UN court?

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:49 pm

Sledge wrote:
craggy wrote:
Sledge wrote:I doubt the Autobots are that familiar with America's legal system.

it wouldn't be hard for them to figure it out

[quote=Wiki]Legal education in the United States normally proceeds along the following route:

Undergraduate education (usually 4 years)
Law school (usually 3 years)
Admission to the bar (usually by taking a state's bar exam)
Legal practice

Now, I can see that we could argue it might not take someone like Prowl or Perceptor seven years to learn all they needed, but it's not gonna be an overnight process. Besides, the real issue here is "does an American court REALLY have the right to order people off the planet?" That would be one way to deal with the illegal immigration problem.
"Manuel Sanchez, you are found guilt of being an illegal alien. You are sentenced to leave the planet."
"... can't I just go back to Mexico?"
"No. Now get on the rocket."[/quote]
well you have to deport people back to their home country. in this case, cybertron. Since they are giant roblts from space, their sent back to space, which could entail cybertron

News Credits: 1 · by **Saber Prime** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 4:09 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:That entire episode was just poorly wrighten, poorly animated, and should never be mentioned ever again.

I agree with all of that but the "poorly animated" bit.

The episode had some errors but it was beautifully animated.

What part of Starscream's shoulder vents being hidden inside a helmet with his own head qualifies as beautifully animated? (his Autobot disguise unvieal)

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 4:18 pm

Saber Prime wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:That entire episode was just poorly wrighten, poorly animated, and should never be mentioned ever again.

I agree with all of that but the "poorly animated" bit.

The episode had some errors but it was beautifully animated.

What part of Starscream's shoulder vents being hidden inside a helmet with his own head qualifies as beautifully animated? (his Autobot disguise unvieal)

the costume had that mass altering extrademintional space thing, like how megatron shrinks in gun mode, or soundwave becons a boombox

News Credits: 460 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 4:52 pm

The same way how his wings could hide inside the costume's body.

And what's more is that Starscream was fighting against the fake Autobots in that fake fight while disguised as Prime at that same time.
:HEADHURTS:

by **Friend of Da Panda Symbol** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 7:38 pm

I recently saw the ep on youtube

I like the 2 parter except in two areas the major of the 2 being that trial. :HEADHURTS:

Just going to randomly toss out what I saw wrong with it.

All the proof of the Autobots being evil from one tape??? Didn't the "Attack of the Autobots" episode happen before this one? And it wasn't used as a means of defense?

Megatron was taking control out the human's already as he was talking over the Mayor.

No sort of attempt made having a lawyer to argue things either side.

Biggest one, already mentioned--JUST THAT TOWN?

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:55 pm

Saber Prime wrote:What part of Starscream's shoulder vents being hidden inside a helmet with his own head qualifies as beautifully animated? (his Autobot disguise unvieal)

And at best that can be called "unrealistically animated" but the animation itself was wonderfully rendered.

Again the animation had errors but it was rendered beautifully.

Sabrblade wrote:The same way how his wings could hide inside the costume's body.

And what's more is that Starscream was fighting against the fake Autobots in that fake fight while disguised as Prime at that same time.

Which are all examples of errors and unrealistic characteristics of a costume.

None of which changes that the episode in question is one of the better animated and looking episodes of the G1 serries.