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Re: Masterpiece MP-23 Exhaust Unveiled

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:33 pm

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fenrir72 wrote:That being the case, collectors will be importing them by bypassing Hasbro then. Somoene must really be hedging on getting this fig to make a killing in the secondary market.


They'd have to find a middle man in Japan, which there are fortunately. You just need to find them :)
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Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-23 Exhaust: Cancellation Rumours Addressed

Postby shajaki » Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:00 pm

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It seems our pal Exhaust is spinning around the rumor mill once again. As reported in the past, MP-23 Exhaust is the Diaclone inspired retool of MP-20 Wheeljack which has come into conflict with US laws prohibiting the sale of children's toys with advertising of tobacco products. And due to intervention of lawyers representing Phillip Morris the figure will not be allowed to be imported to the USA, causing many retailers to issue cancellation notices to all those who have preordered him. See BigBadToyStore's official statement below:

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We regretfully must announce that all preorders for the Takara MP-23 Exhaust have been cancelled. There has been an ongoing legal problem with this figure due to trademarked Marlboro roof/hood design that is not approved for sale in the USA. Takara modified the original design and went into production using a modified paint deco. It appears the redesigned paint deco did not go far enough to fix the problem, and Phillip Morris USA will still not allow this item for sale in the USA. We have been in contact with the law firm representing Phillip Morris and they told us that the changes were not substantial enough to eliminate potential consumer confusion between the Marlboro trademarked design and the current paint deco on the MP-23 Exhaust.

We apologize for the problem on this item, but we must abide by the requests made by Phillip Morris. We look forward to less complicated future Takara Transformer releases.

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Retailer Toyer City has also reported that Hasbro Asia will be cancelling distribution of this cigarette inspired retool. But what does that mean exactly?

In the past you may have read stories of chain stores like ToysRus in Australia seeing Takara Tomy Masterpiece figures on their shelves. That is thanks to the distribution from their local office Hasbro Australia. This is much like the often reported Hasbro Asia which covers territories like China, Hong Kong, and Singapore. Such a cancellation could mean that those territories will not receive the scandalous MP-23. However this does not mean the figure is outright cancelled. An announcement such as that would likely have to come from Takara Tomy themselves which has yet to happen. Many have also speculated that with the recent in-box shots and being slated to release this month, that an outright cancellation is unlikely.

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Re: Masterpiece MP-23 Exhaust Unveiled

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:02 pm

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Why do I get the feeling I was indirectly quoted... :-?
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Re: Masterpiece MP-23 Exhaust Unveiled

Postby shajaki » Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:20 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Why do I get the feeling I was indirectly quoted... :-?
You were ;)

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Re: Masterpiece MP-23 Exhaust Unveiled

Postby Seibertron » Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:35 pm

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All of this back and forth is exhausting. Makes me want to have a cigarette. :michaelbay: :KREMZEEK:
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Re: Masterpiece MP-23 Exhaust Unveiled

Postby shajaki » Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:36 pm

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Seibertron wrote:All of this back and forth is exhausting. Makes me want to have a cigarette. :michaelbay: :KREMZEEK:
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Re: Masterpiece MP-23 Exhaust Unveiled

Postby SW's SilverHammer » Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:42 pm

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I have a feeling without the more American online retailers; Exhaust is going to shelfwarm in Japan like a mother ****.
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Re: Masterpiece MP-23 Exhaust Unveiled

Postby sol magnus » Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:45 pm

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What? Slow news day? :grin:
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Re: Masterpiece MP-23 Exhaust Unveiled

Postby Desslok2201 » Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:51 pm

SW's SilverHammer wrote:I have a feeling without the more American online retailers; Exhaust is going to shelfwarm in Japan like a mother ****.

Who cares? As long as he gets released in Japan, I will find a way to get that beautiful blue winged bastard.
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Re: Masterpiece MP-23 Exhaust Unveiled

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:54 pm

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SW's SilverHammer wrote:I have a feeling without the more American online retailers; Exhaust is going to shelfwarm in Japan like a mother ****.


Actually, I just thought of something: with no export possibilities to the U.S. or other countries outside of Japan, how would it affect the production numbers? I'd expect them to be lower, with the orders from abroad canceled, but if the figures have already produced, what would happen to them? Better keep an eye on the European stores. :-?

Hah, the Belgium-based Archonia.com still has its Masterpiece Exhaust listing up. That's a good sign...
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Re: Masterpiece MP-23 Exhaust Unveiled

Postby Rated X » Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:00 pm

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Just because US retailers are scared of the big bad wolf (AKA Phill Morris) that doesnt mean takara is making a smaller run of these guys. Small chinese based retailers like chimungmung and e bay sellers will buy them all up and make a killing. Then comes the inevitable KO. Phill Morris is beating a dead horse with their juvenile legal outburst. Hope canibus is legal in 5 years and phill morris goes out of business due to backyard growers and hookah bars. Screw phill morris and the god damn marlboro man !
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Re: Masterpiece MP-23 Exhaust Unveiled

Postby SW's SilverHammer » Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:06 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
SW's SilverHammer wrote:I have a feeling without the more American online retailers; Exhaust is going to shelfwarm in Japan like a mother ****.


Actually, I just thought of something: with no export possibilities to the U.S. or other countries outside of Japan, how would it affect the production numbers? I'd expect them to be lower, with the orders from abroad canceled, but if the figures have already produced, what would happen to them? Better keep an eye on the European stores. :-?

Well that's the exact reason I think it's going to shelf warm, I think they produced quite a few knowing it would have broader market appeal her in the US as a novelty. I don't think the Japanese market will have as much appreciation for the Diaclone homage as the U.S would. Also don't Japanese marlboro packages commonly have blue/sea-foam green as their accent color and not red?
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Re: Masterpiece MP-23 Exhaust Unveiled

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:14 pm

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SW's SilverHammer wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
SW's SilverHammer wrote:I have a feeling without the more American online retailers; Exhaust is going to shelfwarm in Japan like a mother ****.


Actually, I just thought of something: with no export possibilities to the U.S. or other countries outside of Japan, how would it affect the production numbers? I'd expect them to be lower, with the orders from abroad canceled, but if the figures have already produced, what would happen to them? Better keep an eye on the European stores. :-?

Well that's the exact reason I think it's going to shelf warm, I think they produced quite a few knowing it would have broader market appeal her in the US as a novelty. I don't think the Japanese market will have as much appreciation for the Diaclone homage as the U.S would. Also don't Japanese marlboro packages commonly have blue/sea-foam green as their accent color and not red?


A quick Google search shows that's not the case: in Japan the main color is still red. However, the flavored types (think menthol) do have different colors instead of the red.
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Re: Masterpiece MP-23 Exhaust Unveiled

Postby dragons » Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:44 pm

Desslok2201 wrote:
SW's SilverHammer wrote:I have a feeling without the more American online retailers; Exhaust is going to shelfwarm in Japan like a mother ****.

Who cares? As long as he gets released in Japan, I will find a way to get that beautiful blue winged ****.


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Re: Masterpiece MP-23 Exhaust Unveiled

Postby Desslok2201 » Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:03 pm

dragons wrote:
Desslok2201 wrote:
SW's SilverHammer wrote:I have a feeling without the more American online retailers; Exhaust is going to shelfwarm in Japan like a mother ****.

Who cares? As long as he gets released in Japan, I will find a way to get that beautiful blue winged ****.


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Not really sure what one has to do with the other, but I already have one, thanks.
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Re: Masterpiece MP-23 Exhaust Unveiled

Postby sol magnus » Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:12 pm

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Desslok2201 wrote:
dragons wrote:
Desslok2201 wrote:
SW's SilverHammer wrote:I have a feeling without the more American online retailers; Exhaust is going to shelfwarm in Japan like a mother ****.

Who cares? As long as he gets released in Japan, I will find a way to get that beautiful blue winged ****.


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Not really sure what one has to do with the other, but I already have one, thanks.

I only paid 60 bucks for my Exhaust...
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Re: Masterpiece MP-23 Exhaust Unveiled

Postby Tsutsukakushi » Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:39 pm

The only thing I like on this toy is the head sculpt. Think wheeljack's colors look best on this toy.
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Re: Masterpiece MP-23 Exhaust Unveiled

Postby MGrotusque » Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:43 pm

I keep wanting to buy this fig but i'm hesitant because of the perceived exclusivity of it due to copyright laws and whatnot.

He's cool and all but i don't want to get caught up in the hype and rush out to get it. Also there isn't a whole lot of Decepticon MP's which also makes it very tempting.
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Re: Masterpiece MP-23 Exhaust Unveiled

Postby Tsutsukakushi » Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:58 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:That being the case, collectors will be importing them by bypassing Hasbro then. Somoene must really be hedging on getting this fig to make a killing in the secondary market.


They'd have to find a middle man in Japan, which there are fortunately. You just need to find them :)


:lol: Thinking some clever Ebay sellers from Japan. Might be able to use clever code words to sell this toy. Like sorry, this is not the right pic or description. You will not be getting Wheeljack. You'll be getting his evil twin brother. That has a different head and red colors. :lol:

When Hasbro asked ebay to forbid sellers from sellers KO's on ebay. Sellers starting using the word reissue. Most buyers knew that HasTak never reissued the G1 dinobots toys. Buyers knew these were KO toys.
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Re: Masterpiece MP-23 Exhaust Unveiled

Postby Flashwave » Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:02 pm

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methinks this battle was over as soon as Phillip Morris became aware of the mold. it didn't matter how much Takara Tommy change the paint scheme the basis of the character was still the same; a Marlboro race car.
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Re: Masterpiece MP-23 Exhaust Unveiled

Postby durroth » Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:24 pm

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If anyone knows anyplace that still seems to be selling them from japan, please message me.
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Re: Masterpiece MP-23 Exhaust Unveiled

Postby fenrir72 » Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:26 pm

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I early pages of this thread I made mention that some Japanese toy/hobby themed companies have sold a somewhat modified Lancia with Malboro decals as an adult collectible. How they got around this stupid issue is beyond me. This is just a big issue because TF is such a hot commodity.

In makes be burst into tears that the very simple means to purchase or sell this item to make sure it isn't purchased by minors is to accept payments via Credit Cards. You can verify the age easily. Below 21 years, don't sell.

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Re: Masterpiece MP-23 Exhaust Unveiled

Postby fenrir72 » Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:26 pm

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Tsutsukakushi wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:That being the case, collectors will be importing them by bypassing Hasbro then. Somoene must really be hedging on getting this fig to make a killing in the secondary market.


They'd have to find a middle man in Japan, which there are fortunately. You just need to find them :)


:lol: Thinking some clever Ebay sellers from Japan. Might be able to use clever code words to sell this toy. Like sorry, this is not the right pic or description. You will not be getting Wheeljack. You'll be getting his evil twin brother. That has a different head and red colors. :lol:

When Hasbro asked ebay to forbid sellers from sellers KO's on ebay. Sellers starting using the word reissue. Most buyers knew that HasTak never reissued the G1 dinobots toys. Buyers knew these were KO toys.


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Re: Masterpiece MP-23 Exhaust Unveiled

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:44 pm

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It is disappointing to see how at this point there are still people who think Philip Morris USA is the main force behind this toy's inability to be sold to U.S. consumers, when it is actually a much greater force at work here: The United States government.

No joke, no crazy conspiracy theories; this toy cannot be sold to U.S. consumers not because of some IP infringement or something, but because doing so would be a U.S. Federal law violation.

Under the Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement and the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, it is illegal for any company to sell any merchandise to U.S. consumers if said merchandise is perceived to be children's merchandise that even remotely gives off the slightest minuscule impression of advertising tobacco-based goods.

While we fans know good and well that advertising tobacco-based goods to children is not the intention behind this figure's existence at all, no matter how much we may try to separate our hobby from being mere children's playthings and instead being "collectibles" for adults, the courts WILL consider this thing a "toy" and WILL consider its Marlboro-homaging deco as advertisement of tobacco-based goods on that which they consider to be children's merchandise.

As small-minded and ignorant as that sounds, the world we live in is still not yet ready to accept the reality of adults who buy and collect toys, as the concept is still fairly new and infantile in the grand scheme of things.

If this toy were to be sold to U.S. consumers, it is Philip Morris USA who would face federal charges for allowing their brand of tobacco goods to be advertised on children's merchandise, regardless of whether it would be their direct fault for making the toy or not. They would still be at fault for letting it happen, and the courts would most assuredly see that they suffer the consequences of TakaraTomy's actions.

If we put things into perspective, it really isn't Philip Morris USA's fault that TakaraTomy decided to make this toy, but it's their hide on the line here, not Takara.

Had Takara decided to not be so faithful to the real life car's deco in the first place, instead going the route of Hyperspeed Wheeljack by using a deco that gives off only the vaguest hint of the Marlboro chevron, then it is far less likely that Philip Morris USA would have made such a fuss over this toy in the first place since a deco like Hyperspeed Wheeljack's wouldn't be deemed by the U.S. federal courts as something that might be trying to advertise tobacco-based goods on a children's toy.

Even the changes that Takara made to the deco after the fact might have possibly let this toy come to America had they gone with that changed deco from the start. But since they didn't, and had instead begun with the Marlboro-accurate deco, the deco changes came too little too late for them to fix this toy's situation. As soon as word hit everyone's radar that this toy was meant to resemble the Marlboro-sponsored racecar, this toy was forever doomed to its current fate.

The only possible way this toy could be sold to U.S. consumers at this late in the game would be for its deco to be given an extreme, radical, drastic alteration to its deco to make it almost completely dissimilar to the look of the real life Marlboro racecar. Like, by getting rid of the entire amount of its red paint altogether, or something. But that simply isn't economically financially feasible for Takara to do at this point, what with the toy virtually ready and set to go on the Japanese market.
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Re: Masterpiece MP-23 Exhaust Unveiled

Postby SW's SilverHammer » Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:58 pm

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And now they've created a halfway legal, halfway illegal black market, for a toy of all things. Amazing, if only the drafters of this could've seen this in 1998.
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Transformers Podcast: Twincast / Podcast #348 - Uno
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