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Postby william-james88 » Fri Jul 10, 2015 9:20 pm

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While it seemed that a small coat of All Spark Blue and a faceplate for Bumblebee was the only difference between the 3 Step Exclusive Clash of the Transformers figures and the regular release, it seems like there was more retooling involved. From the pictures below, it seems Optimus also got a whole new headsculpt and at closer look, it seems the bodies are new shells. Look at Bumblebee's legs, and Optimus's shoulders for instance. While this subline and this class may not excite anyone but the most devoted fans, it is interesting to note that these are more than just simple repaints and are actually exclusive molds for Toysrus.

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Postby King Kuuga » Sun Jul 12, 2015 3:11 pm

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I like Burn's version better, even if it's less accurate.

Interesting to see that these Clash 3-Steps are actually unique toolings. I sincerely hope someone appreciates this.
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Re: Transformers Robots in Disguise (2015) Products Thread

Postby william-james88 » Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:29 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:"Clash of the Transformers"

I like Burn's version better, even if it's less accurate.

Interesting to see that these Clash 3-Steps are actually unique toolings. I sincerely hope someone appreciates this.


Yes me too. I dont know who would though since the fans dont care about these (havent met one who did yet), and I dont think parents or kids would notice anything beyond the color changes. It almost feels like a waste in a way. I wonder if the warrior figures are also as extensive in retooling as these.
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Re: Transformers Robots in Disguise (2015) Products Thread

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:19 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:"Clash of the Transformers"

I like Burn's version better, even if it's less accurate.

Interesting to see that these Clash 3-Steps are actually unique toolings. I sincerely hope someone appreciates this.


Yes me too. I dont know who would though since the fans dont care about these (havent met one who did yet), and I dont think parents or kids would notice anything beyond the color changes. It almost feels like a waste in a way. I wonder if the warrior figures are also as extensive in retooling as these.


I care! At least about Prime. Although I think it's kinda pointless to redo that figure since the Mega scale one is out.

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I think Windblade and Drift are horribly mis-transformed. Something tells me those wings fold up more and the hood on Drift comes down. I really wish they came with weapons though.

I'd be all over that one-step RID Prime, if it wasn't part of a set of figures I already have.
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Re: Transformers Robots in Disguise (2015) Products Thread

Postby no-one » Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:16 am

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I'd be all over that one-step RID Prime, if it wasn't part of a set of figures I already have.
I'm not very familiar with the quick changers, but prime reminds me of another one I've seen. Does he share a transformation/shell with anyone? I'd find it hard to believe a unique mold would be limited to a 6 pack and a single retailer.
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Re: Transformers Robots in Disguise (2015) Products Thread

Postby no-one » Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:27 am

Howdy fellow Seibertronians! Got a quick update on the Robots in Disguise 1 step collection. At the time the 6 pack was spotted, there was no price in the system. It is currently marked on shelves at $49.99. I did a quick price check to verify that was correct.

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Re: Transformers Robots in Disguise (2015) Products Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:49 pm

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Re: Transformers Robots in Disguise (2015) Products Thread

Postby william-james88 » Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:59 pm

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D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I like that legion Thunderhoof. I want a toy of him. Hasbro needs to show off the Warrior Megs, Hoof and Quill so I can see them. I am very interested in buying them! :BOT:


What scares me is they said in a recent interview that they had shown all the RID toys we will be getting this year and that makes very little sense to me. The only warrior class figures left to be in stores are the 2 repaints Bumblebee and Grimlock. 2 figures for the rest of the year?
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Re: Transformers Robots in Disguise (2015) Products Thread

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:12 pm

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Wait, hang on a sec... Are we really getting two 3-Step Primes based on the same design? Compare this:

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Re: Transformers Robots in Disguise (2015) Products Thread

Postby william-james88 » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:15 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Wait, hang on a sec... Are we really getting two 3-Step Primes based on the same design? Compare this:

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Clash of the Transformers 3-Step Optimus Prime (Left)


Yup! However, I keep being fascinated at the fact that the tooling is still different even if it is actually the same design. Hasbro could have retooled the Hyperchange 3-step and then upscaled it, but instead there are 3 different shells, two different classes and two different designs.
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Re: Transformers Robots in Disguise (2015) Products Thread

Postby Hellscream9999 » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:16 pm

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D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I like that legion Thunderhoof. I want a toy of him. Hasbro needs to show off the Warrior Megs, Hoof and Quill so I can see them. I am very interested in buying them! :BOT:


What scares me is they said in a recent interview that they had shown all the RID toys we will be getting this year and that makes very little sense to me. The only warrior class figures left to be in stores are the 2 repaints Bumblebee and Grimlock. 2 figures for the rest of the year?

Well, that's unfortunate, the only characters that I actually liked were mostly decepticon (worlds will burn if I don't get a satisfactorily poseable deluxe thunderhoof) but it also seems strange that they said the decepticons were going to be made, but now they say this is the rest for the yearImage
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Re: Transformers Robots in Disguise (2015) Products Thread

Postby Hellscream9999 » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:17 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Wait, hang on a sec... Are we really getting two 3-Step Primes based on the same design? Compare this:

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Mega 3-Step Optimus Prime

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Clash of the Transformers 3-Step Optimus Prime (Left)


Yup! However, I keep being fascinated at the fact that the tooling is still different even if it is actually the same design. Hasbro could have retooled the Hyperchange 3-step and then upscaled it, but instead there are 3 different shells, two different classes and two different designs.

And none of them are worth owning, or being called an 'action figure' :roll:
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Re: Transformers Robots in Disguise (2015) Products Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:21 pm

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Hellscream9999 wrote:And none of them are worth...being called a 'toy' :roll:
By that logic, same goes for every toy that ever existed in the days before action figures were invented. >:oP
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Re: Transformers Robots in Disguise (2015) Products Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:27 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I like that legion Thunderhoof. I want a toy of him. Hasbro needs to show off the Warrior Megs, Hoof and Quill so I can see them. I am very interested in buying them! :BOT:


What scares me is they said in a recent interview that they had shown all the RID toys we will be getting this year and that makes very little sense to me. The only warrior class figures left to be in stores are the 2 repaints Bumblebee and Grimlock. 2 figures for the rest of the year?

Well, that's unfortunate, the only characters that I actually liked were mostly decepticon (worlds will burn if I don't get a satisfactorily poseable deluxe thunderhoof) but it also seems strange that they said the decepticons were going to be made, but now they say this is the rest for the yearImage

Eh, always next year. I doubt America will see the season finale before Thanksgiving comes around. It may take them that long just to finish the series. Besides: I need a break. I still need Sides and Fix, not to mention the CW guys. Plus gotta buy Christmas gifts.

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Re: Transformers Robots in Disguise (2015) Products Thread

Postby Hellscream9999 » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:28 pm

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Hellscream9999 wrote:And none of them are worth...being called a 'toy' :roll:
By that logic, same goes for every toy that ever existed in the days before action figures were invented. >:oP

Except that all those other toys are satisfactory, these are immobile hunks of plastic that kids can wave around and then get bored of.
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Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:30 pm

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Hellscream9999 wrote:And none of them are worth...being called a 'toy' :roll:
By that logic, same goes for every toy that ever existed in the days before action figures were invented. >:oP

Except that all those other toys are satisfactory, these are immobile hunks of plastic that kids can wave around and then get bored of.
So were the majority of G1 toys and kids were plenty satisfied with them back then.
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Re: Transformers Robots in Disguise (2015) Products Thread

Postby Hellscream9999 » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:35 pm

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Hellscream9999 wrote:And none of them are worth...being called a 'toy' :roll:
By that logic, same goes for every toy that ever existed in the days before action figures were invented. >:oP

Except that all those other toys are satisfactory, these are immobile hunks of plastic that kids can wave around and then get bored of.
So were the majority of G1 toys and kids were plenty satisfied with them back then.

lol, at least they had more points of articulation than most of these hyper change things. That and you were able to engage with the toy by transforming it yourself.
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Re: Transformers Robots in Disguise (2015) Products Thread

Postby william-james88 » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:40 pm

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D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I like that legion Thunderhoof. I want a toy of him. Hasbro needs to show off the Warrior Megs, Hoof and Quill so I can see them. I am very interested in buying them! :BOT:


What scares me is they said in a recent interview that they had shown all the RID toys we will be getting this year and that makes very little sense to me. The only warrior class figures left to be in stores are the 2 repaints Bumblebee and Grimlock. 2 figures for the rest of the year?

Well, that's unfortunate, the only characters that I actually liked were mostly decepticon (worlds will burn if I don't get a satisfactorily poseable deluxe thunderhoof) but it also seems strange that they said the decepticons were going to be made, but now they say this is the rest for the yearImage


They said decepticons are planned to be coming out eventually but that they wanted to start with the good guys first. They never gave a date for when the decepticons would arrive.
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Postby william-james88 » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:51 pm

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Hellscream9999 wrote:
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Hellscream9999 wrote:And none of them are worth...being called a 'toy' :roll:
By that logic, same goes for every toy that ever existed in the days before action figures were invented. >:oP

Except that all those other toys are satisfactory, these are immobile hunks of plastic that kids can wave around and then get bored of.


I dont think it's our call to say what bores kids. Hasbro does their market research, they know what sells and what kids want. Them simplyfying TFs and having seperate simplified toys for the AOE line was because they had too many complaints about the toys being too difficult from their main target (kids and kids' parents). This plastic phone has as much play value as these toys and its still being made today:

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I think the only reason for the negative criticism with these toys is that they are sold in the same aisle as the more advanced TFs. These are not made for us, but for younger kids. If they were in a younger kid section, like rescue bots, I dont think any fan would mind. Just like no one is saying how Hasbro is dumb for not making an MP Heatwave. Takara has played this super smart and has relegated all the simpler RID transformers to a completely seperate line so that fans are aware of what is for them (TAV) and what isnt (TED).

I still think these are better served in the TF aisle of course, since Parents will know to go there for TFs and then pic accordingly for their kid's age. And that comes at the cost of fans complaining about these toy's existence, which doesnt hurt anyone's profits anyway. It just makes reading the boards a bit less fun.
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Re: Transformers Robots in Disguise (2015) Products Thread

Postby Hellscream9999 » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:35 pm

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It's not like I'm against simplified transformers, I'm all for it, and grew up with many of the machine wars and basic bw figures, I still love them for being the perfect fusion of a cool action figure, and a fast change gimmick that still requires a bit of involvement to transform it back.

I love the new simplified line that is being found in countries outside of the U.S. These are both examples of 'simplified' transformers done correctly, the above is just, not. And I often wonder if the 'marketing dept' gave the kids a choice between this plastic trash and the large simple-formers, which would kids choose.
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Re: Transformers Robots in Disguise (2015) Products Thread

Postby william-james88 » Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:15 pm

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I love the new simplified line that is being found in countries outside of the U.S. These are both examples of 'simplified' transformers done correctly, the above is just, not. And I often wonder if the 'marketing dept' gave the kids a choice between this plastic trash and the large simple-formers, which kids would choose.


But how do you know that? You werent at the focus group session. Maybe Parents preffered the durability of these toys. My point here, especially with the aisle theory, is that you and many others are blinded and see this product as a simplified transformer when in reality, that is not what it is. This is more akin to that phone on wheels I pointed to earlier. It's a little kids toy that happens to be branded under the transformers brand. It's a new product marketed for young kids and it does its own thing. Just like construct bots and hero mashers. These are not part of the Robots in dsiguise traditional TF toyline and that same interview says it as such. It states that the only part of this toyline that should be seen as traditional TFs is the warrior class. Anything else will not have articulation, detail or complexity.

Here are the quotes from Hasbro:

we have to take into account what a child can actually do as far as their ability to transform a product. One of the challenges we had with Transformers over the last five years, six years is the product line was getting more and more challenging. We had one product line for everybody and the feedback we were getting back from parents and kids is that it was too difficult.


What we want to make sure is that some of the older boys that like more articulation and complex transformations and detail...that we had a SKU that represented that and the Warriors does that. What we want to do is continue to roll out more characters, both Autobots and Decepticons will be in that line.


So you who liked the simpler TFS of our youth would still end up with the warrior class. The other toys are transformers in brand only.
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Re: Transformers Robots in Disguise (2015) Products Thread

Postby Hellscream9999 » Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:40 pm

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Hellscream9999 wrote:
I love the new simplified line that is being found in countries outside of the U.S. These are both examples of 'simplified' transformers done correctly, the above is just, not. And I often wonder if the 'marketing dept' gave the kids a choice between this plastic trash and the large simple-formers, which kids would choose.


But how do you know that? You werent at the focus group session. Maybe Parents preffered the durability of these toys. My point here, especially with the aisle theory, is that you and many others are blinded and see this product as a simplified transformer when in reality, that is not what it is. This is more akin to that phone on wheels I pointed to earlier. It's a little kids toy that happens to be branded under the transformers brand. It's a new product marketed for young kids and it does its own thing. Just like construct bots and hero mashers. These are not part of the Robots in dsiguise traditional TF toyline and that same interview says it as such. It states that the only part of this toyline that should be seen as traditional TFs is the warrior class. Anything else will not have articulation, detail or complexity.

Here are the quotes from Hasbro:

we have to take into account what a child can actually do as far as their ability to transform a product. One of the challenges we had with Transformers over the last five years, six years is the product line was getting more and more challenging. We had one product line for everybody and the feedback we were getting back from parents and kids is that it was too difficult.


What we want to make sure is that some of the older boys that like more articulation and complex transformations and detail...that we had a SKU that represented that and the Warriors does that. What we want to do is continue to roll out more characters, both Autobots and Decepticons will be in that line.


So you who liked the simpler TFS of our youth would still end up with the warrior class. The other toys are transformers in brand only.

Whoa chill out, I was wondering, if they were given a choice, which would/did they choose?
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Whoa chill out, I was wondering, if they were given a choice, which would/did they choose?


As we both now realized, there is a pretty big difference between "which kids would choose" and "which would kids choose?".
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