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[Evil Eye]

It's... not really diversity, no. It's a stereotype. And as Sabrblade laid out, it is definitely not just the accent.
If you're tired of seeing criticism, fine. But if you're going to respond to it at least read what you're responding to.

Here is the thing that is how you guys see Drift but it's not how I see it from my point of view which is what I was trying to say.

You don't see the problems because you don't recognize them. I've likely experienced more Japanese culture and history than you have, having studied the language for two semesters, taken several courses on East Asian humanities and religions, and having done an oral presentation on the history and essential facets of Bushido. The way AOE portrayed Drift's character was a galling misrepresentation of Japanese lifestyle and heritage, more resembling the typical American ignorance of the culture seen in many Hollywood works and pop culture rather than anything authentic to the culture that the movie was trying to imitate with Drift. He was more of a caricature than anything else.

Agreed, just because you can't, or don't recognize something that's a stereotype, doesn't mean it's not there... The movie's are full of caricature-like stereotypes: the twins, the wreckers, crosshairs... just because it may not bother you, doesn't mean it doesn't bother or offend others, and it is a problem that plague's these movies.

People should stop being offended by everything. No one's threatening their lives. Why get mad?

Because it's perpetuating stereotypes... I'm not offended by any of it, but it is an issue

No, it isn't. ISIS is an issue. Ebola is an issue. A stereotypically Japanese character in a movie about robots that turn into cars is not an issue.

Jesus. We're getting dangerously Walky-esque in here. Don't be like that, Seibertron, you're better than this.

[Emerje]

Because it's perpetuating stereotypes... I'm not offended by any of it, but it is an issue

No, it isn't. ISIS is an issue. Ebola is an issue. A stereotypically Japanese character in a movie about robots that turn into cars is not an issue.

You must be the only person in the world that didn't have any problem with the twins then. Racial stereotypes ARE an issue. They may not be on the same level as terrorists and deadly viruses, but that's no reason to dismiss them. Just because they're robots doesn't make them exempt, not any more than the crows in Dumbo or various WWII propaganda toons from Warner Bros.

Emerje

[SlyTF1]

You must be the only person in the world that didn't have any problem with the twins then. Racial stereotypes ARE an issue. They may not be on the same level as terrorists and deadly viruses, but that's no reason to dismiss them. Just because they're robots doesn't make them exempt, not any more than the crows in Dumbo or various WWII propaganda toons from Warner Bros.

Emerje

I didn't have a problem with the Twins. I enjoyed them. In fact, I don't know a single black person who had a problem with the Twins, since apparently everyone's mad at them for stereotyping black people, even though people from literally every race act the way the Twins do. It's just a bunch of people pretending to be mad about some **** that no one they claim should be offended is actually getting offended about.

[Evil Eye]

Because it's perpetuating stereotypes... I'm not offended by any of it, but it is an issue

No, it isn't. ISIS is an issue. Ebola is an issue. A stereotypically Japanese character in a movie about robots that turn into cars is not an issue.

You must be the only person in the world that didn't have any problem with the twins then. Racial stereotypes ARE an issue. They may not be on the same level as terrorists and deadly viruses, but that's no reason to dismiss them. Just because they're robots doesn't make them exempt, not any more than the crows in Dumbo or various WWII propaganda toons from Warner Bros.

Emerje

I didn't have a problem with the Twins. I enjoyed them. In fact, I don't know a single black person who had a problem with the Twins, since apparently everyone's mad at them for stereotyping black people. It's just a bunch of people pretending to be mad about some SHIZZLESNIT that no one they claim should be offended is actually getting offended about.

QFT. Myself I didn't have a problem with the Twins, mainly because I've got more pressing things to worry about than fictional characters being "offensive". Being offended is for the weak.

[DedicatedGhostArt]

Getting upset about the twins is more racist than liking them. I only get upset about white guy stereotypes when someone else gets upset about it, and then I'm just upset at that person. I think liberal ideologies and such things have gone too far with the politically correct trash, and in turn made themselves incorrect in the long run, and have made people unnecessarily sensitive to things people didn't care about before. Is racism bad? Yes. Is a comedic imitation of another race bad? Not always. In fact, with characters such as Jar Jar Binks from Star Wars, it can't be racist because it was BY a black guy. Although Skids was voiced by Tom Kenny; a white guy; Mudflap was voiced by Reno Wilson, who is a black guy. Apparently he was racist to himself according to everyone's reaction.

[Deadput]

Let me point out a fact here guys the Twins were not black they were street (or whatever you call that behavior) and I would like to point out that Skids was voiced by Tom Kenny who is white.


I see them as offensive but not racist they are the only ones who have a serious problem when it comes with their accent at least to me anyways.


While stereotypical I don't consider The Wreckers, Crosshairs or Drift to be offensive.

[Deadput]

Hey guys I got some cool footage from Youtube that has Barricade, The Volkswagen truck and the Tow truck (in the end of the video where they are backing up).

I suspect they are backing up due to them meeting Megatron (who is rumored to be a jet) for the first time or something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VET4_9Jbkqc

[SlyTF1]

Because it's perpetuating stereotypes... I'm not offended by any of it, but it is an issue

No, it isn't. ISIS is an issue. Ebola is an issue. A stereotypically Japanese character in a movie about robots that turn into cars is not an issue.

You must be the only person in the world that didn't have any problem with the twins then. Racial stereotypes ARE an issue. They may not be on the same level as terrorists and deadly viruses, but that's no reason to dismiss them. Just because they're robots doesn't make them exempt, not any more than the crows in Dumbo or various WWII propaganda toons from Warner Bros.

Emerje

I didn't have a problem with the Twins. I enjoyed them. In fact, I don't know a single black person who had a problem with the Twins, since apparently everyone's mad at them for stereotyping black people. It's just a bunch of people pretending to be mad about some SHIZZLESNIT that no one they claim should be offended is actually getting offended about.

QFT. Myself I didn't have a problem with the Twins, mainly because I've got more pressing things to worry about than fictional characters being "offensive". Being offended is for the weak.

Too true. These days, everyone just loves to be up in arms about everything. You can't say or do anything without at least a hundred people coming for your throat.

[SlyTF1]

Hey guys I got some cool footage from Youtube that has Barricade, The Volkswagen truck and the Tow truck (in the end of the video where they are backing up).

I suspect they are backing up due to them meeting Megatron (who is rumored to be a jet) for the first time or something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VET4_9Jbkqc

I hope there are more Decepticon interaction scenes, like the scene on the Nemesis in ROTF, or Africa in DOTM. I just hope they're longer than a minute, and we get more that one in the movie.

[DedicatedGhostArt]

Because it's perpetuating stereotypes... I'm not offended by any of it, but it is an issue

No, it isn't. ISIS is an issue. Ebola is an issue. A stereotypically Japanese character in a movie about robots that turn into cars is not an issue.

You must be the only person in the world that didn't have any problem with the twins then. Racial stereotypes ARE an issue. They may not be on the same level as terrorists and deadly viruses, but that's no reason to dismiss them. Just because they're robots doesn't make them exempt, not any more than the crows in Dumbo or various WWII propaganda toons from Warner Bros.

Emerje

I didn't have a problem with the Twins. I enjoyed them. In fact, I don't know a single black person who had a problem with the Twins, since apparently everyone's mad at them for stereotyping black people. It's just a bunch of people pretending to be mad about some SHIZZLESNIT that no one they claim should be offended is actually getting offended about.

QFT. Myself I didn't have a problem with the Twins, mainly because I've got more pressing things to worry about than fictional characters being "offensive". Being offended is for the weak.

Too true. These days, everyone just loves to be up in arms about everything. You can't say or do anything without at least a hundred people coming for your throat.

Yeah I am so sick and tired of people constantly trying to be politically correct, and talking about "not hating", and then when someone disagrees with them about something, they freak out and want to murder you.

Anyway, That VW reminds me a lot of Mudflap or Skids. I am kinda wondering if it's possible that that could be one or both of the twins.

[Deadput]

Yeah I am so sick and tired of people constantly trying to be politically correct, and talking about "not hating", and then when someone disagrees with them about something, they freak out and want to murder you.

Anyway, That VW reminds me a lot of Mudflap or Skids. I am kinda wondering if it's possible that that could be one or both of the twins.

Why would it be the Twins?


I'm pretty sure they will never come back and even if they did why would they be Decepticons?


I'm sure they are dead they were going to die in DOTM so lets just say they were either killed offscreen or were killed by Cemetery Wind.

[DedicatedGhostArt]

Yeah I am so sick and tired of people constantly trying to be politically correct, and talking about "not hating", and then when someone disagrees with them about something, they freak out and want to murder you.

Anyway, That VW reminds me a lot of Mudflap or Skids. I am kinda wondering if it's possible that that could be one or both of the twins.

Why would it be the Twins?


I'm pretty sure they will never come back and even if they did why would they be Decepticons?


I'm sure they are dead they were going to die in DOTM so lets just say they were either killed offscreen or were killed by Cemetery Wind.

Yeah but you never know with Michael Bay. Either it's a new character, or it's one of the twins.

[Bradimus]

Cemetery Wind is the answer to any Transformer that could be dead.

[Deadput]

Yeah but you never know with Michael Bay. Either it's a new character, or it's one of the twins.

If Bay did not learn from his mistake with the Twins why would he have removed them from DOTM and all the parts they filmed with them?


Bay clearly knows the Twins were awful and that's the thing with Bay if he makes a mistake that people hated he usually does not repeat them

Peeing robot gone

Humping dogs gone

"Brownies" gone

Sams parents less screen time in DOTM


Those are just a view examples

[SlyTF1]

Exactly 365 days until The Last Knight.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Exactly 365 days until The Last Knight.

Make the countdown your signature

[DedicatedGhostArt]

Exactly 365 days until The Last Knight.

Make the countdown your signature

It probably would get him more popularity on the site...

[SlyTF1]

Exactly 365 days until The Last Knight.

Make the countdown your signature

Too lazy to update it every day.

[Allenspurs]

Another update from tyrese Gibson 's Facebook and it looks like he's all but confirmed he's in the last knight..

https://m.facebook.com/tyrese/photos/a. ... &source=54

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Ever since we learned that Lennox will be returning to the live action movies, everyone and anyone has expected Epps to join up with his partner-in-arms once more, and Tyrese Gibson has done us no favors with regards to him actually returning. In a Facebook post last night, he decided to throw us yet another bone but still won't confirm if he is in The Last Knight. But, it appears that he may be confirming something very soon. He posted an image of him in his gear from previous Transformers movies with the caption:

3 guns - Not here o play any games with anybody /. ‪#‎TBT‬ I have some good news to share soon.......... Just know this.... I've seen everything you guys have posted about Epps..... I love you back!

Could this good news be his official return to Transformers? We'll find out soon enough!

[CommanderShadowmus]

Nice Ford in the background!

[Sabrblade]

Nice Ford in the background!

Man, even the hype for this movie can't escape product placement.

[ebonyleopard]

He's one of the duo military human characters I've actually LIKED a lot in this movie franchise so for once, I actually can say I'd be glad if he's back.

[Hellscream9999]

Fellow Seibertronians, fellow user OptimalOptimus2 has brought to our attention some additional photo's of the filming in Phoenix, further on from the photo's in our last news article from the last day of filming in Phoenix. Below, you can check out what looks to be some action scene's as well as some images from several news broadcasts, that include a helicopter, as well as a load of SUV's and other vehicle's sporting a logo that we've seen on several other vehicles before. So check them out, and let us know what you think in the comments below.

[conbot3]

So, because he's a samurai played by a Japanese guy, he's obviously a stereotype. Right.

No, it's how he was played. He was given an exaggerated accent (Ken Watanabe does not sound in real life quite like how Drift sounded), he used Japanese terms that Americans know but only used them out of their proper meaning because of how pop culture has constantly used those terms incorrectly, he presented himself as a well-behaved bot of honor yet kept doing lot of disrespectful and dishonorable things throughout the movie, he spoke proverbs for no reason other than his having a Japanese motif as said proverbs never fit the context of the situations in which he spoke them and which only incited ill reactions from his teammates (particularly Crosshairs)... Drift is a far cry from a respective representation of a Japanese Samurai character. Beast Wars Dinobot, or even the character-less Swordbot Samurai Team members from Transformers Go!, were far more accurate expressions of how an actual Samurai would be like.

To be fair Drift was a Decepticon before joiming the Autobots so perhaps he hasn't had time to worry about the true meaning of honour!