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[Deadput]

"Post of Ancient Aliens and Time Travel"

It could be time travel maybe Bay and the crew were inspired by the rumors of time travel that like Unicron has been something people keep saying is going to happen since ROTF.

Maybe this "supposed" early draft for TF4 "AOE" had something to do with it? (Still don't know if it was legit or not)

Edit: Can't attach PDF files can someone tell me how I can post the file?

[Dr. Caelus]

Might also be interesting if they mash together the idea of Unicron with the storyline in IDW where Shockwave tried to stop time. The name "Unicron" is sort of suggestive of a temporal singularity.

I imagine that stopping time, and effectively eliminating the concept of "change", would cost Unicron street cred as a god of "chaos" but I always thought his motivation to consume everything in existence ran contrary to that anyway (Primus seems more like chaos, and Unicron order) and if one considers Unicron's general motives, rewinding the universe back to the beginning of time might actually be more practical than eating literally everything.

[Sigma Magnus]

...I can already tell I'm gonna love this soundtrack. Steve does not disappoint.

[Va'al]

Along with the latest trailer and the latest posters for Paramount's upcoming live-action movie Transformers: The Last Knight, we have also taken the time to bring you a high definition screencap gallery of the Secret Past clip (you know, not the dude one)!

You can browse through 400+ images right here, and take a look at a couple of highlights below, while also checking out the trailer again - dudes.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Yes! Barricade is on my favorite flavor!

"Strawberricade"

I would lie if I said I didn't love that WWII Bee. At least we now seem to know why Bay was blowing up a Churchill home with Nazi flags: Bee was doing it. And he looks really good in WWII kibble. I join the group who like the idea of the voyager toy being his WWII self.

And if he and Hot Rod were both active during WWII, it would make a sort of sense. Hot Rod was a protector of Laura Haddock's character and potentially her family before that, so he could have been around a long time. Bee comes to Earth to track the Allspark and Megatron, and is here for a lot longer than we though he was. He and Hot Rod meet up and bond, hence the brotherhood the 2 share. Rod goes back to being a silent guardian while Bee goes on with his mission.

Also, Seibs said months ago this film would feel like much more of a reboot than the 4th film, and I think we are finally seeing that effect. WWII and other versions of characters would be cool though, and Drift actually had some kibble change for his samurai look, so there is that. And since we never got the story of how Hound, Crosshairs, and Drift came to Earth, that can be played with, what with Hound being a barbarian fighter or something, Drift basically creating the Samurai, and IDK Crosshairs could be the inspiration for the trenchcoat and he worked with Sherlock Holmes himself.

[Va'al]

I mean, they look ugly, but call them demons..?

('And demons appeared', says the Latin on the left. The one on the right - 'conior' - means nothing, or is a wrong version of 'to try' - which is ironic really, cos it failed.)



And why is Megatron treating Krakatoa like a British firework display?

[Deadput]

I mean, they look ugly, but call them demons..?

('And demons appeared', says the Latin on the left. The one on the right - 'conior' - means nothing, or is a wrong version of 'to try' - which is ironic really, cos it failed.)



And why is Megatron treating Krakatoa like a British firework display?

Honestly if we were being attacked by big transformers in real life I'm sure quite a few people would call or think of them as demons.

Plus Demon doesn't have to be literal for example in the Halo games the Master Chief was called Demon by the Covenant both as an insult and as a sign of respect.

[Dr. Caelus]

Am I right in thinking there's no native American art in any of the promos? Or African?

The collection seems to be confined to western civilizations, aside from the picture of Drift in Japan, and that's a photograph, so it was presumably taken after the intervention of European interests in Japanese culture.

[Va'al]

I mean, they look ugly, but call them demons..?

('And demons appeared', says the Latin on the left. The one on the right - 'conior' - means nothing, or is a wrong version of 'to try' - which is ironic really, cos it failed.)



And why is Megatron treating Krakatoa like a British firework display?

Honestly if we were being attacked by big transformers in real life I'm sure quite a few people would call or think of them as demons.

Plus Demon doesn't have to be literal for example in the Halo games the Master Chief was called Demon by the Covenant both as an insult and as a sign of respect.

[Va'al]

Am I right in thinking there's no native American art in any of the promos? Or African?

The collection seems to be confined to western civilizations, aside from the picture of Drift in Japan, and that's a photograph, so it was presumably taken after the intervention of European interests in Japanese culture.

I was looking for the same thing as I was choosing the images for the story, and you appear to be correct. Other than Krakatoa (in Western accounts) and the pyramids from ROTF, there has been very little contact with US/European civilisations in the story told so far.

China comes in during modern times, and as you point out, Japan may be more during colonial times too.

EDIT: There is one shot of Frederick Douglass, but that's it!

[Prowl4]

These movies have done the ridiculous and people are complaining about the bots being involved through history lol.

They've kept the plot guarded but I wouldn't be surprised if excalibur is a cybertronian relic that can either go back in time or if it is a portal device to step through history.

[transformnerd114]

Prowl4 wrote: Wheeljack hasn't appeared in the movies.

He "had a roll" in DOTM as Que.

[crazyfist]

I wonder if they'll somehow tie in Sam Witwicky's family because there is a newspaper article in the background with Sam's Great-Grandfather Archibald and the photo with Hot Rod, the plaque says 'The Order of the Witwiccans 1901'. Plus, in one of the original teasers, Anthony Hopkins says 'No sacrifice, no victory' to some extent. I wonder if he is related somehow?

[Deadput]

These movies have done the ridiculous and people are complaining about the bots being involved through history lol.

They've kept the plot guarded but I wouldn't be surprised if excalibur is a cybertronian relic that can either go back in time or if it is a portal device to step through history.

Excalibur being a Cybertronian weapon is granted at this point most likely especially with the gun sword from AOE.

I do enjoy the "twist" that Merlin wasn't an actual wizard or used real magic but he had connections with Cybertronians like how Sam Witwicky and Cade Yeager did and that those events were retold as a story or folk tale with magic and other exaggerations.

I wonder if the Lady of the Lake or the sword in the stone will be retold in the movie too I hope so I also like how the movie has a bunch of the different Knights of the Round table including some of the more obscure ones.

I really love the old Knights tales so this Transformer movie is already the best one to me even if they go all retcon on events or reset the movies with time travel.

[Deadput]

I wonder if they'll somehow tie in Sam Witwicky's family because there is a newspaper article in the background with Sam's Great-Grandfather Archibald and the photo with Hot Rod, the plaque says 'The Order of the Witwiccans 1901'. Plus, in one of the original teasers, Anthony Hopkins says 'No sacrifice, no victory' to some extent. I wonder if he is related somehow?

In the imax preview event that some people including myself saw when Cade, Bee and Cogman arrive at Hopkin's castle Hopkin's character states that he recognizes Bumblebee from when he was a kid.

So chances are that he is a relative to the Witwicky family or more likely the Witwickys split off from the Witwiccans at some point maybe by someone who no longer wanted to be part of the order but that last bit is just speculation and guessing on my part.

[cruizerdave]

Transformers have a secret link to Earth's past? What a creative idea. I've never seen that before.
Unless you count the previous four Bayformers movies.

[Deadput]

Transformers have a secret link to Earth's past? What a creative idea. I've never seen that before.
Unless you count the previous four Bayformers movies.

And G1 as well as every Transformer show ever.

Really besides the Transformers themselves Cybertron having connections to Earth is one of the staples on the franchise.

It's not the concept of the idea it's what one does with that idea that makes or breaks it.

[SureShot18]

Gotta say, I really dig the idea of Transformers being present throughout human history. As long as it's not through time travel. Of course, the whole idea is a little ridiculous but I just like it.

And if the Bumblebee spinoff isn't about him killing Nazis during World War II I will be very disappointed.

[Rodimus Prime]

Has it been said how long TLK will be? AoE was almost 3 hours. I hope they trim this one down to around 2 hours to 2 hours 15 minutes.

Also, considering Bumblebee is getting his own movie, I would love to see Megatron get his own movie as well, showing how he went from a gladiator to the Decepticon leader. I realize that Bumblebee is getting his own movie just so Hasbro can sell toys, and that the story of Megatron is available in the comics, but it would be neat to see it in live action form, even if it was straight-to-DVD.

[Sabrblade]

This is the first time I've been impressed by something related to Bumblebee. Actually, it might be the second time, but I forgot what the first time was.

Just Movie Bumblebee specifically, or Bumblebee in general?

[SlyTF1]

Has it been said how long TLK will be? AoE was almost 3 hours. I hope they trim this one down to around 2 hours to 2 hours 15 minutes.

I hope it's at LEAST 3 and a half hours. Bigger is always better.

This is the first time I've been impressed by something related to Bumblebee. Actually, it might be the second time, but I forgot what the first time was.

Just Movie Bumblebee specifically, or Bumblebee in general?

Mainly movie Bumblebee. But I've never cared about any other Bumblebee either, so I'll say Bumblebee in general.

[Deadput]

Has it been said how long TLK will be? AoE was almost 3 hours. I hope they trim this one down to around 2 hours to 2 hours 15 minutes.

I hope it's at LEAST 3 and a half hours. Bigger is always better.
.

Cheesus Crust no most people can't handle movies that long.

At that point make it a two parter like Harry Potter and Hunger Games.

[Sabrblade]

This is the first time I've been impressed by something related to Bumblebee. Actually, it might be the second time, but I forgot what the first time was.

Just Movie Bumblebee specifically, or Bumblebee in general?

Mainly movie Bumblebee. But I've never cared about any other Bumblebee either, so I'll say Bumblebee in general.

What about when Prime Bumblebee impaled Megatron through the chest with the Star Saber in the final Prime episode?

[Deadput]

This is the first time I've been impressed by something related to Bumblebee. Actually, it might be the second time, but I forgot what the first time was.

Just Movie Bumblebee specifically, or Bumblebee in general?

Mainly movie Bumblebee. But I've never cared about any other Bumblebee either, so I'll say Bumblebee in general.

What about when Prime Bumblebee impaled Megatron through the chest with the Star Saber in the final Prime episode?

Who's impressed by someone taking down the least intimidating and intelligent Megatron in a North American tv show?

Even Raf could of killed him since that Megatron was pathetic in fact he never had any real plans until they came to him literately.

[Ultra Markus]

so does this movie negate everything the first movie was about becuase we saw them come to earth in a meteor like form and we see them as there cybertronian pre earth form like they just arrived
this movie stating they have been here forever