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[Va'al]

One new comic book day comes, and more comic book days await ahead, as Mariel Romero from IDW Publishing uploads a sneak peek of the next issue of The Transformers to iTunes. Check out below what we will be seeing this month in the tales of grounded robots and their human partners (ish)!

JETFIRE and KUP lead a team to investigate the mysterious ONYX system. Meanwhile, GALVATRON… well, GALVATRON just doesn’t like anybody.

[Gallifreyan Autobot]

even though I'm not big on the IDW comics but i just noticed something really coincidental about something.

the guy talking to Spike mentions that the Cybertronians had created the humans.

now where have i read something similar to that?

oh yea i forgot , a particular web comic that i read where 12 aliens that are based of the western zodiac are playing a game in which the goal is to create a universe in which the humans were created and then shenanigans happen

guess i said a bit too much

lowers head in shame for reading this web comic in which i shall not name

[Shuttershock]

Spike looks like the mascot for a fictional brand of weed killer.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

In the same way MTMTE has made me really like Megs, this has made me love Cosmos and Jetfire. cannot wait for this to come out

[Shuttershock]

In the same way MTMTE has made me really like Megs, this has made me love Cosmos and Jetfire. cannot wait for this to come out

"Where in the name of science have you been?"

[D-Maximal_Primal]

In the same way MTMTE has made me really like Megs, this has made me love Cosmos and Jetfire. cannot wait for this to come out

"Where in the name of science have you been?"

there has been some exceptional care taken towards several characters here. i am loving it!

[MrBlack]

even though I'm not big on the IDW comics but i just noticed something really coincidental about something.

the guy talking to Spike mentions that the Cybertronians had created the humans.

now where have i read something similar to that?

oh yea i forgot , a particular web comic that i read where 12 aliens that are based of the western zodiac are playing a game in which the goal is to create a universe in which the humans were created and then shenanigans happen

guess i said a bit too much

lowers head in shame for reading this web comic in which i shall not name

It's not quite so simply as "Cybertronians created humans."

The Enigma of Combination was sent to Earth by Galvatron millions of years prior in order to keep its powers out of the hands of the Cybertronians. It's presence altered proto-humans, allowing them to work together more efficiently. It essentially created modern society.

So, it's not that Cybertronians created humans, but that one particular Cybertronian was inadvertently responsible for creating the conditions that would lead to modern human society.

[Shuttershock]

even though I'm not big on the IDW comics but i just noticed something really coincidental about something.

the guy talking to Spike mentions that the Cybertronians had created the humans.

now where have i read something similar to that?

oh yea i forgot , a particular web comic that i read where 12 aliens that are based of the western zodiac are playing a game in which the goal is to create a universe in which the humans were created and then shenanigans happen

guess i said a bit too much

lowers head in shame for reading this web comic in which i shall not name

It's not quite so simply as "Cybertronians created humans."

The Enigma of Combination was sent to Earth by Galvatron millions of years prior in order to keep its powers out of the hands of the Cybertronians. It's presence altered proto-humans, allowing them to work together more efficiently. It essentially created modern society.

So, it's not that Cybertronians created humans, but that one particular Cybertronian was inadvertently responsible for creating the conditions that would lead to modern human society.

"Your civilization was made possible by careless disposal of my garbage."

That's some Douglas Addams scrap right there!

[MrBlack]

even though I'm not big on the IDW comics but i just noticed something really coincidental about something.

the guy talking to Spike mentions that the Cybertronians had created the humans.

now where have i read something similar to that?

oh yea i forgot , a particular web comic that i read where 12 aliens that are based of the western zodiac are playing a game in which the goal is to create a universe in which the humans were created and then shenanigans happen

guess i said a bit too much

lowers head in shame for reading this web comic in which i shall not name

It's not quite so simply as "Cybertronians created humans."

The Enigma of Combination was sent to Earth by Galvatron millions of years prior in order to keep its powers out of the hands of the Cybertronians. It's presence altered proto-humans, allowing them to work together more efficiently. It essentially created modern society.

So, it's not that Cybertronians created humans, but that one particular Cybertronian was inadvertently responsible for creating the conditions that would lead to modern human society.

"Your civilization was made possible by careless disposal of my garbage."

That's some Douglas Addams scrap right there!

I suppose it's a bit less insulting than "Humans are Unicron's parasites" from the Prime TV show.

[Shuttershock]

even though I'm not big on the IDW comics but i just noticed something really coincidental about something.

the guy talking to Spike mentions that the Cybertronians had created the humans.

now where have i read something similar to that?

oh yea i forgot , a particular web comic that i read where 12 aliens that are based of the western zodiac are playing a game in which the goal is to create a universe in which the humans were created and then shenanigans happen

guess i said a bit too much

lowers head in shame for reading this web comic in which i shall not name

It's not quite so simply as "Cybertronians created humans."

The Enigma of Combination was sent to Earth by Galvatron millions of years prior in order to keep its powers out of the hands of the Cybertronians. It's presence altered proto-humans, allowing them to work together more efficiently. It essentially created modern society.

So, it's not that Cybertronians created humans, but that one particular Cybertronian was inadvertently responsible for creating the conditions that would lead to modern human society.

"Your civilization was made possible by careless disposal of my garbage."

That's some Douglas Addams scrap right there!

I suppose it's a bit less insulting than "Humans are Unicron's parasites" from the Prime TV show.

Still, I do like it as it presents a much less human-centric view of the universe. I find that too often in science fiction humanity is treated as inherently special. This kind of writing paints the picture of a vast universe millions of years old where, in an Addamsy way, Earth and humans don't necessarily matter.

[MrBlack]

even though I'm not big on the IDW comics but i just noticed something really coincidental about something.

the guy talking to Spike mentions that the Cybertronians had created the humans.

now where have i read something similar to that?

oh yea i forgot , a particular web comic that i read where 12 aliens that are based of the western zodiac are playing a game in which the goal is to create a universe in which the humans were created and then shenanigans happen

guess i said a bit too much

lowers head in shame for reading this web comic in which i shall not name

It's not quite so simply as "Cybertronians created humans."

The Enigma of Combination was sent to Earth by Galvatron millions of years prior in order to keep its powers out of the hands of the Cybertronians. It's presence altered proto-humans, allowing them to work together more efficiently. It essentially created modern society.

So, it's not that Cybertronians created humans, but that one particular Cybertronian was inadvertently responsible for creating the conditions that would lead to modern human society.

"Your civilization was made possible by careless disposal of my garbage."

That's some Douglas Addams scrap right there!

I suppose it's a bit less insulting than "Humans are Unicron's parasites" from the Prime TV show.

Still, I do like it as it presents a much less human-centric view of the universe. I find that too often in science fiction humanity is treated as inherently special. This kind of writing paints the picture of a vast universe millions of years old where, in an Addamsy way, Earth and humans don't necessarily matter.

I think it cuts both ways. Humans are special in that they were able to weather an invasion by a race of beings that have decimated hundreds of other worlds. At the same time, the traits that allowed humanity to do so seem to have been a result of inadvertent interference by that self-same race of beings.

[Shuttershock]

even though I'm not big on the IDW comics but i just noticed something really coincidental about something.

the guy talking to Spike mentions that the Cybertronians had created the humans.

now where have i read something similar to that?

oh yea i forgot , a particular web comic that i read where 12 aliens that are based of the western zodiac are playing a game in which the goal is to create a universe in which the humans were created and then shenanigans happen

guess i said a bit too much

lowers head in shame for reading this web comic in which i shall not name

It's not quite so simply as "Cybertronians created humans."

The Enigma of Combination was sent to Earth by Galvatron millions of years prior in order to keep its powers out of the hands of the Cybertronians. It's presence altered proto-humans, allowing them to work together more efficiently. It essentially created modern society.

So, it's not that Cybertronians created humans, but that one particular Cybertronian was inadvertently responsible for creating the conditions that would lead to modern human society.

"Your civilization was made possible by careless disposal of my garbage."

That's some Douglas Addams scrap right there!

I suppose it's a bit less insulting than "Humans are Unicron's parasites" from the Prime TV show.

Still, I do like it as it presents a much less human-centric view of the universe. I find that too often in science fiction humanity is treated as inherently special. This kind of writing paints the picture of a vast universe millions of years old where, in an Addamsy way, Earth and humans don't necessarily matter.

I think it cuts both ways. Humans are special in that they were able to weather an invasion by a race of beings that have decimated hundreds of other worlds. At the same time, the traits that allowed humanity to do so seem to have been a result of inadvertent interference by that self-same race of beings.

True. I do find it odd that apparently they never bonded with another species culturally in all that time, but whatever. Thundercracker has been a really good care study of the Transformers rediscovering post war life through the actions of a short-lived species.

[MrBlack]

True. I do find it odd that apparently they never bonded with another species culturally in all that time, but whatever. Thundercracker has been a really good care study of the Transformers rediscovering post war life through the actions of a short-lived species.

Cutting off a few quotes to make the thread easier to read.

By the time the Cybertronian race first came online, biological species were already shunning mechanical ones, owing in large part to the 16 million year long war between the Ammonites and the Terradores. Cybertron's own wars and the speciesism exhibited by many on Cybertron didn't help.

After the Knights of Cybertron left, Cybertron collapsed into tribalism under the 13 Primes, which isn't exactly conducive to cultural contact with alien species. After the tribes went to war, Nova Prime came out on top, and we've seen how he feels about "the lesser races." Even after he left, the insular Functionist movement held sway for a long time, and then the entire race fell into a protracted war which involved the destruction and terraforming of multiple biological planets. It seems that there has been little time or inclination on the part of Cybertronians to engage with other species in the 8 million years since their creation.

[Shuttershock]

True. I do find it odd that apparently they never bonded with another species culturally in all that time, but whatever. Thundercracker has been a really good care study of the Transformers rediscovering post war life through the actions of a short-lived species.

Cutting off a few quotes to make the thread easier to read.

By the time the Cybertronian race first came online, biological species were already shunning mechanical ones, owing in large part to the 16 million year long war between the Ammonites and the Terradores. Cybertron's own wars and the speciesism exhibited by many on Cybertron didn't help.

After the Knights of Cybertron left, Cybertron collapsed into tribalism under the 13 Primes, which isn't exactly conducive to cultural contact with alien species. After the tribes went to war, Nova Prime came out on top, and we've seen how he feels about "the lesser races." Even after he left, the insular Functionist movement held sway for a long time, and then the entire race fell into a protracted war which involved the destruction and terraforming of multiple biological planets. It seems that there has been little time or inclination on the part of Cybertronians to engage with other species in the 8 million years since their creation.

One thing I find most interesting about the Transformers is that they have little concept of fiction for entertainment. Most of their films, stories and arguably their religious systems are biographical, possibly a theme pressed by functionists to prevent individuality or escapism.

Thundercracker seems like the only one who broke out of this, albiet poorly, by picking it up from humans. Even Crosscut, who is lauded as a well-known Cybertronian playwright, seems to mostly make autobiographical works.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

True. I do find it odd that apparently they never bonded with another species culturally in all that time, but whatever. Thundercracker has been a really good care study of the Transformers rediscovering post war life through the actions of a short-lived species.

Cutting off a few quotes to make the thread easier to read.

By the time the Cybertronian race first came online, biological species were already shunning mechanical ones, owing in large part to the 16 million year long war between the Ammonites and the Terradores. Cybertron's own wars and the speciesism exhibited by many on Cybertron didn't help.

After the Knights of Cybertron left, Cybertron collapsed into tribalism under the 13 Primes, which isn't exactly conducive to cultural contact with alien species. After the tribes went to war, Nova Prime came out on top, and we've seen how he feels about "the lesser races." Even after he left, the insular Functionist movement held sway for a long time, and then the entire race fell into a protracted war which involved the destruction and terraforming of multiple biological planets. It seems that there has been little time or inclination on the part of Cybertronians to engage with other species in the 8 million years since their creation.

One thing I find most interesting about the Transformers is that they have little concept of fiction for entertainment. Most of their films, stories and arguably their religious systems are biographical, possibly a theme pressed by functionists to prevent individuality or escapism.

Thundercracker seems like the only one who broke out of this, albiet poorly, by picking it up from humans. Even Crosscut, who is lauded as a well-known Cybertronian playwright, seems to mostly make autobiographical works.

This version of Thundercracker has made me actually care for the character, and I'm glad that he and Crosscut can represent fictional work by transformers, the same way Nautica and all her gals represent "college life" so to speak in the works

[Va'al]

In more IDW comics news for next week, The Transformers #45 bring intrigue, mystery, hacking and of course, Buster the dog. Check out the full preview below, and head back here on Wednesday for the Seibertron.com review!

Transformers #45
John Barber (w) • Andrew Griffith (a & c)
JETFIRE and KUP lead a team to investigate the mysterious ONYX system. Meanwhile, GALVATRON… well, GALVATRON just doesn’t like anybody.
FC • 32 pages • $3.99

Bullet points:
The events of the past months crash together—with disastrous results!
The stage is set for next month’s Earth-shattering (literally) epic!
Variant Cover by Golby!

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Gonna be a busy week of reading, that's for sure

[pie-man]

Finally... we get to Jazz again!

[steve2275]

what you guys said

[Whifflefire]

THE WATER IS DRY

I do enjoy the interpretation of the condors as Statler and Waldorf-esque duo.

[Shuttershock]

THE WATER IS DRY

I do enjoy the interpretation of the condors as Statler and Waldorf-esque duo.

It is good to see the other casettes getting characterization. Rumble and Frenzy are pretty consistently portrayed as street punks and Ratbat as a scheemer bigger than his size implies, but the others often go voiceless and without perso nality.

[Randomhero]

Totally. It's hard to say anyone but blue rumble and marvel ravage were ever characters. Frenzy in the cartoon was just a red and black twin of rumble and ravage was a spy and sound waves kitty.

That's somethings James and John have really done well, give a lot of characters we know and love actual character traits. Needlenoes is starting to make his way to my top ten favorite characters

[D-Maximal_Primal]

That's a reason I fell in love with MTMTE: characters I'd never heard of before. When I finally started reading comics, it was around the time issue 21 came out and I wondered who the hell was on the front cover. I really had no clue! But I'm glad so many characters are finally getting good personalities and interpretation

[megatronus]

Ten bucks says Kup has the 'argle bargle' line because of Antonin Scalia's recent publicity for using the phrase.

[Henry921]

Galvatron is lying to bloody everybody.

I get that the solicit for this issue is that he "doesn't like anybody" but to what end is he working towards?