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[Autobot N]

What size class is titan wars Galvatron?

I hope he's leader class.

Voyager

[Crosscheck]

I am really loving that Fort Max. He looks great in all modes (head is a bit big though). I also love that Cerebros transforms into a tower like the G1 toy. He is different enough from Metroplex that he is a definite buy for me. It also looks like he interacts with the leader class figures to make an even bigger city mode. I should be able to have a pretty good sized Autobot City for Devastator to rampage through when this is all said and done.

Chromedome and Mindwipe are definite buys for me. I don't care too much about the Target->Headmasters. But that Blurr and Scourge do look nice.

All of the Legends class figures will be mine! Glad I waited for Laserbeak. Wheelie looks pretty good.

The Titan Master sets all look like worthwhile buys for stuff to interact with the cities.

Still not sure about Soundwave. Blaster is a definite buy, as is PM Optimus Prime.

[ZeroWolf]

Blurr looks a lot better there as does scourge.

I have one of the g1.5 components of road caesar I was quite surprised to learn it was supposed to combine. I also had one of the rescue force, but I can never remember which part of the breastforce it was repainted from (and retooled as instead of guns had two mechanical arms)

Also Europe got overlord as part of g1.5

[Nemesis Destron]

I really don't have the patients to go back and read through all the posts right now. Do we know the height of Fortress Maximus? Is he between Devastator and Metroplex?

He's actually going to be slightly taller than Metroplex. The king regains his crown!!

Hell yes he does, all hail the king! Thanks "steals your goats".

[Cyberpath]

That Mindwipe looks rather nice actually. Might be worth waiting to see Takara's deco first.

That's also a nice Scourge; but too bad that they've made him a Headmaster, it clutters his head-sculpt.

So these new Headmasters are "Deluxe" size class.. Won't fit with LG09-Brainstorm... On the bright side they will likely be cheaper.

And FortMax is not for me but pretty cool that Hasbro used Cerebros' "Rebirth" model.

[Lunatic Prime]

So since things have settled down a bit I think I'll post the most recent transmissions rumors.

1. There will be a Voyager Megatron and g2 laser prime released in 2017 that WILL NOT be part of titans return but WILL be headmasters. So this pretty much confirms that titans return will probably only be 4 waves long

2. There will be a new legends class bumblebee released and he will look similar to his devastation game model.

2. We already got one looking like that, but I could imagine a remold of Wheely.

[steals_your_goats]

So since things have settled down a bit I think I'll post the most recent transmissions rumors.

1. There will be a Voyager Megatron and g2 laser prime released in 2017 that WILL NOT be part of titans return but WILL be headmasters. So this pretty much confirms that titans return will probably only be 4 waves long

2. There will be a new legends class bumblebee released and he will look similar to his devastation game model.

2. We already got one looking like that, but I could imagine a remold of Wheely.

Which one? The only recent legends class bee I can think of is the fall of Cybertron styled one.

[Lunatic Prime]

So since things have settled down a bit I think I'll post the most recent transmissions rumors.

1. There will be a Voyager Megatron and g2 laser prime released in 2017 that WILL NOT be part of titans return but WILL be headmasters. So this pretty much confirms that titans return will probably only be 4 waves long

2. There will be a new legends class bumblebee released and he will look similar to his devastation game model.

2. We already got one looking like that, but I could imagine a remold of Wheely.

Which one? The only recent legends class bee I can think of is the fall of Cybertron styled one.

That one is Deluxe Class.

The Classics Bumblebee http://www.seibertron.com/transformers-toys/gallery/classics/bumblebee/927/1/ and his repaints http://www.seibertron.com/transformers-toys/gallery/classics/bumblebee/1624/1/, http://www.seibertron.com/transformers-toys/gallery/reveal-the-shield/bumblebee/2278/1/ look like that game model from Devastation. They are also Deluxe class but I don't think it would be necessary to make another one in Legends class.
A remold of Wheely might be nice.

[Carnivius_Prime]

Hm, not liking Mindwipe at all. Looks way too goofy in both modes. Skullcruncher looks ok.

Galvatron is looking better but I don't like how the back of the cannon just seems to droop down. Maybe that can be adjusted.

Wheelie is about as good as Wheelie could ever be. Which is great for Wheelie fans. I'd more likely pick him up in a sale if at all.


I'm starting to come over to the idea of deluxes being the main size of my collection again but it's difficult. Yes it's cheaper and can fit more in a shelf but it's hard to match up characters. The four voyagers in my signature image for example... AoE Prime, RotF Bludgeon and 'G1-ish' Grimlock make sense if they tower a lil over deluxes, but Springer doesn't yet he's one of my fave ever figures and my Hot Rod custom I been making out of another Springer is gonna look silly towering over his buddy Blurr here. That Leader Blaster looks way too big to re-enact the rivalry he had with Grimlock (yeah I'm a Marvel guy) but I like his face sculpt. Always did prefer the visor.

So far for me - Almost must haves: PM Prime
Strong maybes: Hardhead, Blurr, Scourge (if I can get a third party head to fix Scourge), Galvatron, Brainstorm
lesser maybes: Wheelie, Skullcruncher, BLaster
No thanks: Sentinel Prime, Fortress Maximus, Mindwipe

Sorry most of this crap I say is me 'thinking out loud' but I guess we all have our own preferences as to what we collect and how figures can potentially fit in our own personal collections. I shush now and go do something productive.

[Hellscream9999]

Blurr looks a lot better there as does scourge.

I have one of the g1.5 components of road caesar I was quite surprised to learn it was supposed to combine. I also had one of the rescue force, but I can never remember which part of the breastforce it was repainted from (and retooled as instead of guns had two mechanical arms)

Also Europe got overlord as part of g1.5

I believe that would be the tank, a recolor of Killbison

[Va'al]

Adding to the previous composite image of Fortress Maximus (Fort Max) from the Transformers Titans Return toy line, Hasbro are making the most of their new social media presence (on Instagram, mostly) by showing off some additional official images of the big lug - or rather, of Cerebros and Emissary (and a sneaky shot of CW Optimus and MP Bumblebee for scale comparison with Max)! Check them out below.

Also, as fellow Seibertronian Cyberpath notifies us, the official Hasbro Transformers Facebook page has shared an image of the upcoming Leader class Soundwave - just chilling with some old tapes. Mirrored below for your viewing convenience, of course!

[Stuartmaximus]

Galveston

Hmm, now that's a guy I've never heard of. I wonder who he is.

he's from Texas

[steals_your_goats]

So since things have settled down a bit I think I'll post the most recent transmissions rumors.

1. There will be a Voyager Megatron and g2 laser prime released in 2017 that WILL NOT be part of titans return but WILL be headmasters. So this pretty much confirms that titans return will probably only be 4 waves long

2. There will be a new legends class bumblebee released and he will look similar to his devastation game model.

2. We already got one looking like that, but I could imagine a remold of Wheely.

Which one? The only recent legends class bee I can think of is the fall of Cybertron styled one.

That one is Deluxe Class.

The Classics Bumblebee http://www.seibertron.com/transformers-toys/gallery/classics/bumblebee/927/1/ and his repaints http://www.seibertron.com/transformers-toys/gallery/classics/bumblebee/1624/1/, http://www.seibertron.com/transformers-toys/gallery/reveal-the-shield/bumblebee/2278/1/ look like that game model from Devastation. They are also Deluxe class but I don't think it would be necessary to make another one in Legends class.
A remold of Wheely might be nice.

I was referring to this bee

I think bumblebee works in legends scale and since the one I mentioned is crap I think we could do with another try at a decent one.

[DedicatedGhostArt]

From the looks of it, Brainstorm's head on this version is almost exactly the same as the Generations version.

[Sabrblade]

Chromedome is definitely a heavy retool of Deadend

Yeah, the arms and the back kibble (front of the car) are definitely the same (transformation). But the rest is very different, so really heavy retool. Or they just borrowed that transformation scheme like they did with CW Brawl's legs from Rook's.

The head/chest piece is also the same. As are the the crotch, thighs, knees and the panels closing around at the lower legs
However, this mold has separate feet.

I think the deluxes are the highlight of the line so far. The voyagers look a bit funny...Leaders are ok. Fort Max is spectacular due to its size. We'll see how it turns out in hand

To clarify something from earlier, Chromedome is not a retool of the CW Dead End mold. He is his own unique mold but may have some similar engineering to the Dead End mold, much like how Energon Starscream was engineered similar to G2 Smokescreen.

What is your source? His arms and transformation (with the front end of the car on his back) really make it seem like he is based on the same design as Dead End. There was a decade between G2 smokescreen and energon Starscream while in this case, the Dead End mold is still being used for this year's releases.

For one, there's literally no identical parts shared between Dead End and Chromedome:








There's also the notion that the Dead End mold cannot house a Titan Master figure within it no matter how much of its internals are gutted out to make room for it to fit, and which doing so would in turn eradicate a sizeable amount of the figure's robot mode structuring.

And Chromedome has flip-out feet that the Dead End mold doesn't have room for due to the way that mold transforms. That visible gap in each of Dead End's feet is for the figure's arms to go into in vehicle mode. Put some flip-out feet in those gaps and the arms have no more room to be properly tucked away in vehicle mode.

The most similarities the two molds have are similar altmode kibble protrusions on the shoulders (which themselves are shaped quite differently between the two molds), similar forward-positioned elbow joints, similar joints in general (which are found on many figures), and similar transformation schemes.

As for the G2 Smokescreen/Energon Starscream analogy, while Starscream came out in 2004, the Smokescreen mold was re-released circa 2003/2004 as RiD 2001 Smokejumper, and was again re-released in 2004 in Japan as RobotMasters Smokesniper. And their transformation would again be used for the Generations FOC Seeker mold in 2012-2014.

[ZeroWolf]

I was unaware that the foc seekers shared that transformation scheme.

Also thanks for the info hellscreamer

[Gunmetal]

Chromedome is definitely a heavy retool of Deadend

Yeah, the arms and the back kibble (front of the car) are definitely the same (transformation). But the rest is very different, so really heavy retool. Or they just borrowed that transformation scheme like they did with CW Brawl's legs from Rook's.

The head/chest piece is also the same. As are the the crotch, thighs, knees and the panels closing around at the lower legs
However, this mold has separate feet.

I think the deluxes are the highlight of the line so far. The voyagers look a bit funny...Leaders are ok. Fort Max is spectacular due to its size. We'll see how it turns out in hand

To clarify something from earlier, Chromedome is not a retool of the CW Dead End mold. He is his own unique mold but may have some similar engineering to the Dead End mold, much like how Energon Starscream was engineered similar to G2 Smokescreen.

What is your source? His arms and transformation (with the front end of the car on his back) really make it seem like he is based on the same design as Dead End. There was a decade between G2 smokescreen and energon Starscream while in this case, the Dead End mold is still being used for this year's releases.

For one, there's literally no identical parts shared between Dead End and Chromedome:

http://static.seibertron.com/images/toy ... tans19.jpg
http://static.seibertron.com/images/toy ... C%2016.jpg
http://www.seibertron.com/images/events ... n-012a.jpg
http://static.seibertron.com/images/toy ... tans22.jpg
http://static.seibertron.com/images/toy ... C%2017.jpg
http://www.seibertron.com/images/events ... n-047a.jpg

There's also the notion that the Dead End mold cannot house a Titan Master figure within it no matter how much of its internals are gutted out to make room for it to fit, and which doing so would in turn eradicate a sizeable amount of the figure's robot mode structuring.

And Chromedome has flip-out feet that the Dead End mold doesn't have room for due to the way that mold transforms. That visible gap in each of Dead End's feet is for the figure's arms to go into in vehicle mode. Put some flip-out feet in those gaps and the arms have no more room to be properly tucked away in vehicle mode.

The most similarities the two molds have are similar altmode kibble protrusions on the shoulders (which themselves are shaped quite differently between the two molds), similar forward-positioned elbow joints, similar joints in general (which are found on many figures), and similar transformation schemes.

As for the G2 Smokescreen/Energon Starscream analogy, while Starscream came out in 2004, the Smokescreen mold was re-released circa 2003/2004 as RiD 2001 Smokejumper, and was again re-released in 2004 in Japan as RobotMasters Smokesniper. And their transformation would again be used for the Generations FOC Seeker mold in 2012-2014.

Looking at the two, there's just too many similarities for Chromedome to have not started from Dead End (or Streetwise), but probably not past the CAD stage. It looks like every singe piece is different, even the wheels and fists, to say nothing of the parts and joints needed for the new feet, canopy, and torso modifications.

Do we call this a retool? Do we come up with a new term (e.g. "total retool")? Is it all just semantics anyway? After all, from Springer/Sandstorm to now, we've seen a spectrum that throws the 3-step "New mold-retool-redeco" model out the window.

Whatever we call it, I'm not complaining. This process of engineering one guy into another absolutely fascinates me.

BTW, I have to ask, if you can take a combiner limb and make it a headmaster, what are the odds that you can use Mindwipe, Skullcruncher, and a potential Weirdwolf to design Cutthroat, Rippersnapper, and Sinnertwin?

[Deathsaurus1]

What size class is titan wars Galvatron?

I hope he's leader class.

Voyager

Really

[Sabrblade]

Looking at the two, there's just too many similarities for Chromedome to have not started from Dead End (or Streetwise), but probably not past the CAD stage. It looks like every singe piece is different, even the wheels and fists, to say nothing of the parts and joints needed for the new feet, canopy, and torso modifications.

Do we call this a retool? Do we come up with a new term (e.g. "total retool")? Is it all just semantics anyway? After all, from Springer/Sandstorm to now, we've seen a spectrum that throws the 3-step "New mold-retool-redeco" model out the window.

Like I said, it's basically the same case that G2 Smokescreen, Energon Starscream, and FOC Starscream were. Different molds using similar engineering to get the same basic transformation across the board.

Other cases like this would be:

• The G1 Bumblebee, G1 Cliffjumper, and G1 Bumper molds
• The G1 Runabout and G1 Runamuck molds
• The Alternators Smokescreen and Alternators Meister molds
• The Energon Sledge/Bonecrusher and Cybertron Hardtop molds
• The Prime Cyberverse Legion Knock Out and Prime Beast Hunters Cyberverse Legion Smokescreen molds
• The DOTM Deluxe Roadbuster and AOE Deluxe Lockdown molds

[Lunatic Prime]

What size class is titan wars Galvatron?

I hope he's leader class.

Voyager

Really

Why did you hope he's Leader class? Did you want him to have a base mode or is it just the scale?

[Stuartmaximus]

seems kinda half @$$ed! the toyfair! granted that we got a lot of goodies on display! but it could've been ever better had Alpha Trion, Astrotrain, Brainstorm ect been there!

[Ultra Markus]

sorry you guys feel that way but G1 is where it all began and is a big part of the franchise

Of course it is. But that doesn't make it the only important one.

besides you G1 haters

Feeling tired or bored by something isn't the same thing as hating.

have robots in disguise and rescuebots to drool over

Sure, cuz those toys are all worth drooling over.

i never said they were the most important
you get tired of something long enough you will start to hate it
your liking the two new toy lines is your opinion and thats cool as long as kids buy into it
and make hasbro money thats fine with me

[ZeroWolf]

seems kinda half @$$ed! the toyfair! granted that we got a lot of goodies on display! but it could've been ever better had Alpha Trion, Astrotrain, Brainstorm ect been there!

All good things to those who wait

[DedicatedGhostArt]

seems kinda half @$$ed! the toyfair! granted that we got a lot of goodies on display! but it could've been ever better had Alpha Trion, Astrotrain, Brainstorm ect been there!

All good things to those who wait

Haha so true. At least we got Fort Max!!!

[Ironhidensh]

Meh. Only figure I really like is max, and he is far too large to be a practical purchase or addition to the collection.