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[breacher]

Not sure if anyone is talking about this anymore, but Drift's red coloring makes his lack of paint apps painfully more pronounced, and the whole backwards care shell thing is clever, but it adds MORE kibble to his back. Honestly this is a downgrade to me. Hoping the images were just mistransformed, since these people have a history of not being able to transform the toys THEY MADE properly.

[william-james88]

Not sure if anyone is talking about this anymore, but Drift's red coloring makes his lack of paint apps painfully more pronounced, and the whole backwards care shell thing is clever, but it adds MORE kibble to his back. Honestly this is a downgrade to me. Hoping the images were just mistransformed, since these people have a history of not being able to transform the toys THEY MADE properly.

I am pretty sure photos are outsourced to a professional photography firm. Most big businesses do that and Hasbro outsources almost all of their activity that isnt core. Even their PR is outsourced. So, just to be clear, odds are it is not Hasbro taking the images and instead it being photographers who arent experts in these toys.

[william-james88]

With the sad news that the would be reveal of Hot Rod and Onslaught toys turning out to be fake, people have been wondering what exactly is coming out in terms of Deluxes, Voyagers and Leaders (the three classes making up the Premier Edition line). Is there space left for these yet to be revealed characters? Well, we have been given from the very beginning a comprehensive list of the 3 waves of Deluxes and Voyagers coming out for the Transformers: The Last Knigh toyline. The same list has been confirmed from multiple sources, bu the problem was that everything was codenamed. After New York Toy Fair and several premature Amazon listings, we have been able to piece out exactly which characters are coming out and in what classes. As it turns out, there is only one yet to be revealed deluxe toy left out of the list given to us earlier this year.

Of course, this also shows that Deluxe Megatron, Voyager Nitro and others are not part of the mainline and that may be where Hot Rod and other yet to be revealed characters may end up. Still, for those wondering, here is what the toyline looks like for now:

Deluxe Class:

Wave 1:
Berserker
Slash
Barricade
Bumblebee (AOE mold)

Wave 2:
Drift
Sqweeks
Steelbane
Slug

Wave 3:
New Bumblebee
Crosshairs
Strafe
Yet to be revealed character


Voyager Class:

Wave 1:
Optimus
Grimlock

Wave 2:
Hound
Megatron

Wave 3:
Scorn
Bumblebee


Leader Class

Wave 1:
Optimus
Megatron

Wave 2:
Dragonstorm

There may be an additional leader figure but there is no codename or placeholder for it.

[Fc203]

This defiantly looks fake sadly
Both hot rod and onslaught dont have kibble
Onslaught doesnt look like a cg render and all in the toys package they have a cg render but some how onslaught doesnt
Both hot rod and onslaught arent posed on the cg render and all of the new toys have them posed

[Deadput]

There are only a small handful of characters yet to receive a toy we know of in the main line as in not turbo chargers or one steppers or other gimmick lines.

Autobots: Hot Rod, Cogman and the Red Mclaren (Dino?) and I'm sure one of the first two are the unknown deluxe character.

Decepticons: Onslaught, Mohawk and Hooligan I'm sure that Berserker if he is not a character in the movie is just a fill in for Hooligan due to Volkswagen being stingy these days when it comes to licensing toys based on "war" media despite Takara being able to get some to make a MP Bumblebee.

They can make Western star Optimus Prime toys which is the same company that makes Onslaught's truck mode so if he doesn't get a toy it's not due to licensing problems then again they never made any of the trax drones from Aoe despite being Chevy and having plenty of kibble on their robot forms regardless I doubt that Onslaught would be deluxe since he is a big robot with a big truck so either Voyager or leader for him..

I don't know what to say about Mohawk since I don't know enough about the company that makes the bike and I'm sure a bike would just be a legends/legion class figure instead of deluxe.

Who do you guys think the last deluxe is?

[Bounti76]

So unless the're somehow store exclusives, I don't see Hot Rod or Onslaught getting toys, which sucks. Ever since Movie 1 and ROTF, the toylines have been getting smaller. I wouldn't mind that at all except that we keep getting toys of carryover characters Do we really need another Crosshairs? Was anyone begging for a Slash in movie colors even though he was never IN the movie?. I get Bumblebee (much as I hate the sea of yellow every movie) and Prime, because they're the two main characters and constants over the whole series, and the toylines wouldn't sell as well without them. But they could just as easily have easily dedicated a space in each wave to new characters' toys (Hot Rod instead of Slash or Berserker or Strafe, or....; Onslaught instead of Voyager(??) Bumblebee), and not only would the new toys sell, but there would be more variety. If they gave us new characters/toys instead of rehashed old ones, everyone wins.

[Deadput]

So unless the're somehow store exclusives, I don't see Hot Rod or Onslaught getting toys, which sucks. Ever since Movie 1 and ROTF, the toylines have been getting smaller. I wouldn't mind that at all except that we keep getting toys of carryover characters Do we really need another Crosshairs? Was anyone begging for a Slash in movie colors even though he was never IN the movie?. I get Bumblebee (much as I hate the sea of yellow every movie) and Prime, because they're the two main characters and constants over the whole series, and the toylines wouldn't sell as well without them. But they could just as easily have easily dedicated a space in each wave to new characters' toys (Hot Rod instead of Slash or Berserker or Strafe, or....; Onslaught instead of Voyager(??) Bumblebee), and not only would the new toys sell, but there would be more variety. If they gave us new characters/toys instead of rehashed old ones, everyone wins.

Thins is most of those examples you said are just repaints of last movie toys which are easier to make then new mold figures.

The only completely new mold main line figures are by wave

Wave 1
Del Barricade
Del Berserker
Voy Optimus Prime
Lead Megatron

Wave 2
Del Squeeks
Del Steelbane
Voy Megatron
Voy Hound
Lead Dragonstorm

Wave 3
Del New Bee
Voy Bee
Voy Scorn

Everything else is a repaint or light remold of older figures.

Don't worry about Cogman or Hot Rod one of them is probably the other unknown deluxe class figure and the other will probably be an exclusive while that sucks at least it will exist.

Cons get the shaft because most kids don't like bad guys these days.

[william-james88]

Wave 3
Del New Bee
Voy Bee
Voy Scorn

Got some bad news about that Voyager Bee. If the codenames mean the same for the characters then Gamma Ray means redecos of old bee toys. And that is the code name for that voyaer Bee (the only code name to repeat between deluxe wave 1 and voyagers). So the voyager would be a pre existing BB. That means it will probably be the HFTD deluxe packaged in robot mode and sold as a voyager, which is what Takara did in AOE

[Carnivius_Prime]

I did wonder if it would be the ol' Battle Blade Bumblebee since that was cheekily reclassed as a voyager last time it got re-released. It's still a great toy but this new Deluxe is looking more and more like the definitive main toyline Bee (with the MPM as the tribute piece)

[Emerje]

Since it's said that Cogman is a Headmaster and that's a feature that would be hard to pull off without crossing lines with Titans Return, I'm sticking with Hot Rod as the final Deluxe. I could be wrong, but the impression I get is that we won't be seeing Cogman transform a lot in the movie which makes Hot Rod a better candidate.

Emerje

[Bumblebee21]

so with leak being fake does that mean that megatron skullitron and nitro are fake.

[Autobot N]

so with leak being fake does that mean that megatron skullitron and nitro are fake.

No.

[william-james88]

so with leak being fake does that mean that megatron skullitron and nitro are fake.

No, don worry, those arent fake.

[Bumblebee21]

so with leak being fake does that mean that megatron skullitron and nitro are fake.

No, don worry, those arent fake.

are skullitron and megatron gonna be exclusives then, because they are the only two deluxes with the decodable glyphs iirc
still dont see where nnitro fits in unless voyager bee is a placeholder name.
i doubt there will be a wave 44 but i could be wrong

[william-james88]

so with leak being fake does that mean that megatron skullitron and nitro are fake.

No, don worry, those arent fake.

are skullitron and megatron gonna be exclusives then, because they are the only two deluxes with the decodable glyphs iirc
still dont see where nnitro fits in unless voyager bee is a placeholder name.
i doubt there will be a wave 44 but i could be wrong

They seem to be exclusives. And Nitro could be exclusive too. Voyager Bee isnt a placeholder, it was a listing on amazon, not a codename, and it matched the codename of the wave 1 BB.

[Bumblebee21]

so with leak being fake does that mean that megatron skullitron and nitro are fake.

No, don worry, those arent fake.

are skullitron and megatron gonna be exclusives then, because they are the only two deluxes with the decodable glyphs iirc
still dont see where nnitro fits in unless voyager bee is a placeholder name.
i doubt there will be a wave 44 but i could be wrong

They seem to be exclusives. And Nitro could be exclusive too. Voyager Bee isnt a placeholder, it was a listing on amazon, not a codename, and it matched the codename of the wave 1 BB.

so theres still a possibility they could still be tru exclusives just no hot rod or onslaught.
infernocus could be a regular release or an exclusive to another store. hot rod or onslaught will be the last wave 3 deluxe and the other could also be an exclusive but thats just wild speculation.

bee will probably be repainted and given a hammer

[AgentK2]

I have a theory. What if Cogman is the headmaster for Hot Rod. Then, perhaps, the AOE Hot Rod toy could be a heavy remold of the TR Hot Rod to match up with the movie aesthetic. Who knows, maybe it'll be a whole new figure, Thing is, who's head will Cogmaster be besides Hot Rod's? Hot Rod is the only new Autobot (I'm pretty sure, correct me if I'm wrong), doesn't seem like it would make a lot of sense for any of the other autobots to just have their heads turn into a robot, unless they were always like that, but I highly doubt that is the case and we wouldn't know.

[Carnivius_Prime]

I have a theory. What if Cogman is the headmaster for Hot Rod. Then, perhaps, the AOE Hot Rod toy could be a heavy remold of the TR Hot Rod to match up with the movie aesthetic. Who knows, maybe it'll be a whole new figure, Thing is, who's head will Cogmaster be besides Hot Rod's? Hot Rod is the only new Autobot (I'm pretty sure, correct me if I'm wrong), doesn't seem like it would make a lot of sense for any of the other autobots to just have their heads turn into a robot, unless they were always like that, but I highly doubt that is the case and we wouldn't know.

Perhaps Sam and Mikaela haven't disappeared and have been there all along as headmasters? :O

[AgentK2]

Perhaps Sam and Mikaela haven't disappeared and have been there all along as headmasters? :O

Gosh, that'd be uncomfortable, having to fold up into a head like that
Sam being Bumblebee's head is a horrifying thought to me for some reason... They'd be closer than ever.

[Kurona]

I dunno; LaBeouf and Fox don't seem very eager to return...

[AgentK2]

I dunno; LaBeouf and Fox don't seem very eager to return...

Well, yeah, they won't be coming back anytime soon (ever). Doesn't mean the thought of Sam folding up into Bumblebee's head is any less funny

[RAR]

I expect Cogman will just animate dead bodies after he's decapitated them.

[Emerje]

I have a theory. What if Cogman is the headmaster for Hot Rod. Then, perhaps, the AOE Hot Rod toy could be a heavy remold of the TR Hot Rod to match up with the movie aesthetic. Who knows, maybe it'll be a whole new figure, Thing is, who's head will Cogmaster be besides Hot Rod's? Hot Rod is the only new Autobot (I'm pretty sure, correct me if I'm wrong), doesn't seem like it would make a lot of sense for any of the other autobots to just have their heads turn into a robot, unless they were always like that, but I highly doubt that is the case and we wouldn't know.

This actually crossed my mind for a brief moment yesterday and I almost posted it, but then it dawned on me that we already know that Cogman is the head to a British Aston Martin and been on Earth for a very long time while Hot Rod is a friend of Bumblebee's, speaks with a French accent, and has two car alt modes in this movie, neither of which are an Aston Martin.

Emerje

[william-james88]

so with leak being fake does that mean that megatron skullitron and nitro are fake.

No, don worry, those arent fake.

are skullitron and megatron gonna be exclusives then, because they are the only two deluxes with the decodable glyphs iirc
still dont see where nnitro fits in unless voyager bee is a placeholder name.
i doubt there will be a wave 44 but i could be wrong

They seem to be exclusives. And Nitro could be exclusive too. Voyager Bee isnt a placeholder, it was a listing on amazon, not a codename, and it matched the codename of the wave 1 BB.

so theres still a possibility they could still be tru exclusives just no hot rod or onslaught.
infernocus could be a regular release or an exclusive to another store. hot rod or onslaught will be the last wave 3 deluxe and the other could also be an exclusive but thats just wild speculation.

bee will probably be repainted and given a hammer

About Hot Rod and onslaught, just because its fake doesnt mean they wont happen. We had fake renders of a new Optimus toy but we still got a new optimus toy regardless. It just means that right now we are back in the phase where we just dont know. Nothing is off or on the table. The only thing we know is that there is only 1 non retailer exclusive deluxe toy left that has not bee revealed. There could be other exclusives. Like Emerje said, we still have no clue what the Walmart Exclusives will be, or the target ones.

Infernocus is in a class of his own so he never appeared in the breakdown of the mainline, so we dont really know how he will be released.

Perhaps Sam and Mikaela haven't disappeared and have been there all along as headmasters? :O

I know how I would put a Megan Fox head to good use.

[Evil Eye]

I know how I would put a Megan Fox head to good use.

Heh heh heh.

Not gonna lie, I hope they use the TR Headmaster system for Cogman. Likewise a CW-compatible Infernocus would be cool, but I highly doubt would ever happen.