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Re: IDW Optimus Prime Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:41 am

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Coptur wrote:
ausbot wrote:God I hate this Arcee, I cannot wait for the reboot.


couldn't agree more.

I'd prefer a new company to take on the Transformers IDW have had their chance

That's not how licensing works, as long as idw pay money and hasbro are happy with the represention and their orders are followed (like which toys to promote) then idw will keep going.

I really don't see the problem with arcee, it's far better than what we had in g1 in my opinion, only one better would prime arcee. If you don't like her origin them mauve take it up with Furman ;-)
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Re: IDW Optimus Prime Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Coptur » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:31 am

i know. i would just like fresh team and company to have a shot.

I don't like that she's near indestructible and unbeatable.

I did actually have a jovial chat about it with Simon a couple years ago at TFNation lol.

the origin is what it is (i didn't like it but lived with it) overall i did like that spotlight issue.
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Re: IDW Optimus Prime Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:24 am

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Well they are having fresh writers handling this so no one knows what the tone is going to be.
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Preview for IDW Transformers: Optimus Prime #21

Postby Va'al » Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:09 am

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Out next week with IDW Publishing is the second issue this month from the ongoing Transformers comics series Optimus Prime – which brings us to the conclusion of The Falling story arc, and the start of the lead-in / parallel track to the Unicron mini-series. Check out the brief preview from IDW below, featuring Livio Ramondelli art, and join the discussion!

“The Falling,” Part 6. Bumblebee and Optimus Prime make a last, desperate bid to return to the real world as Shockwave teams up with the Autobots! Can Optimus stop what’s coming, or has he played right into the hands of the ultimate destroyer?


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Re: IDW Optimus Prime Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:04 am

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Ah I'm not the biggest fan of this art style but I'm willing to over look it
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Re: IDW Optimus Prime Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby ScottyP » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:09 am

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The mood delivered on some of those flashback panels is great!

This said, I know the mantra "every issue is someone's first" but tbh, with this five away from the end after 13 years of IDW's continuity, I hope that gets totally ignored after this arc. Just lay it on, folks can catch up if they need to.
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Re: IDW Optimus Prime Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Stormshot_Prime » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:41 pm

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ScottyP wrote:The mood delivered on some of those flashback panels is great!

This said, I know the mantra "every issue is someone's first" but tbh, with this five away from the end after 13 years of IDW's continuity, I hope that gets totally ignored after this arc. Just lay it on, folks can catch up if they need to.


Yeah, if you’re not caught up at this point its a lost cause. We’re neck deep in lore and built up plots, how’s the time for things to be story heavy. It doesn’t take that long to figure stuff out if you start from DoOP.
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Full Preview for IDW Transformers Optimus Prime #21

Postby Va'al » Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:55 am

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This week sees the release of the final chapter in the penultimate arc of the ongoing Transformers comics series Optimus Prime, from IDW Publishing, and the entering into the next phase of the Unicron event. Check out a full preview for The Faling part 6 below, and join us on Wednesday for a Seibertron.com review of the book!

“The Falling,” Part 6. Bumblebee and Optimus Prime make a last, desperate bid to return to the real world as Shockwave teams up with the Autobots! Can Optimus stop what’s coming, or has he played right into the hands of the ultimate destroyer?


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Re: IDW Optimus Prime Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:23 am

This is gonna be a real compressed issue it feels like. I heated there’s a huge “WTF?!?!” moment so I can’t wait to read it tonight’s
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Re: IDW Optimus Prime Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby ScottyP » Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:34 am

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21 is a legitimately hard to follow comic that kind of cements my low opinion of the "it was Shockwave all along!!!!1" stuff. I've paid pretty damn close attention to these books and would have a hard time giving a coherent summary of the book.

That one moment though? Fun and flirtatious and I thought it was great. Once more folks read it there'll be a dumpster fire fueled by readers taking it too far beyond what it was probably meant to be, but I hope I'm wrong about that.
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Review of IDW Transformers Optimus Prime #21

Postby Va'al » Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:56 am

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...fallen?
(Spoiler free-ish)



Synopsis
“The Falling,” Part 6. Bumblebee and Optimus Prime make a last, desperate bid to return to the real world as Shockwave teams up with the Autobots! Can Optimus stop what’s coming, or has he played right into the hands of the ultimate destroyer?

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sup


Story
And lo! we reach the end of this penultimate narrative arc of the ongoing Optimus Prime series, and.. it gets weird? It definitely does things, and quite a few, but it also feels like it's trying to do more things than it wanted to do - to varying degrees of success - and The Falling just sort of hobbled and stumbled a bit there. Let's see...

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If you've followed the Seibertron.com reviews of several of John Barber's work, you'll have noticed that one element keeps coming up when we reach the climax of his stories - two, actually: first, the climax is always magnificent and much earlier than the denouement; second, the latter, the endings, can have a tendency to not land entirely satisfactorily, to be generous in my wording.

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...yeah..


If the script wanted to play more on Shockwave's evolution in time - plenty of it - it did so with probably too many tropes and clichés, reminding me too much of the Galvatron resolution in Combiner Wars, and an over the top, super evil villain element to an otherwise nuanced take on the senator's story, and his influence on titular character Optimus.

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this guy, yknow


That said, there are still some very good individual character moments and scenes, mostly featuring Arcee and Aileron, Pyra Magna and her reluctant partnership with Optimus, and Bumblebee's presence as an almost outsider to the entire story - plus, some very nice callbacks to very early storylines seeded in the very first Shockwave story, and everything since, in true Barber continuity style. And final bang for the universe to go out on, for which a clue may or may not be in the cover...


Art

We have previously seen how Kei Zama and Sara Pitre Durocher can work really quite well together in the same book, even with theyir recognisably own style - and there are some very much both moments, spotlighting strengths from each of the two artists - but adding the third, very distinct style of Livio Ramondelli to the mix might not have worked that well. It does. Oh if it does: giving him the infraspace sections allows his style to be justified by the narrative itself, and the end result - of all three - is nothing short of masterful.

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Arcee is the still the best


Josh Burcham is doing nothing short of a miracle, bringing a cohesion to three very distinct visual styles that would not have otherwise worked at all - and even with what may be Ramondelli's colours on his own lineart (has always been so, I wouldn't expect that to change), the final effect we get out of the three is truly a sight to behold, and probably the redeeming element of the whole book this time round.

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I MEAN JUST LOOK


With the script being so baffling at times, in terms of its narrative linearity, I was a little thrown off at one specific instance of balloon placing in the very first pages, that threw me off entirely for a whole two days, until my third read. The rest of the lettering was Tom B Long's regular top shape, but I felt like my disappointed feelings just tainted a lot about this book.

As for covers, the Aileron / Arcee cover by Zama and Burcham is splendid, though without the colours it can be a little harder to decipher, though the spotlight still goes to the Pyra Magna-centric Casey Coller and JP Bove silhouette variant, the last in this gorgeous series (see thumbnail). Check them all out in full size in our database!

Thoughts
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If the previous couple of issues was starting to feel as if the story was dragging on, this issue put a stop to that, and one that was a little too abrupt and perhaps undeserved - in its convoluted path to the end point, at least - to make up for the jarring feeling that came out of the close proximity of these last two issues. The story is tepid at best, thought there is nothing inherently wrong about it, but his landing not sticking well, even with that one scene with its wholesome, touching moment, and its lead into the Unicron happenings, just soured the whole experience for me.

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oh, Starscream is in here too, yeah


There is some really good art present in this book, though, with some exquisite colours in the Ramondelli sections, and some poignant moments kept well balanced even with three separate sets of hands being worked on by a fourth, and some of the scenes alone are worth the scope of the book - but still not always enough to supersede the disappointment of a tepid resolution. I do want to see how this all ends, of course, but I'm less inclined to fully appreciate the Unicron story now that these cards are sliding off the table.

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Re: IDW Optimus Prime Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:18 am

I was super confused by the ending. To a point I was upset and didn’t like it and had to read the tfwiki article to understand what happened to Optimus and Bumblebee.

However I think I was also mad because I expected this to lead straight into Unicron #1and it doesn’t. Obviously #22 is going to be an epilogue and after accepting that I really did like the issue.

Fair warning if you haven’t read it, don’t expect it to completely tie up with this issue and lead straight into unicron. It doesn’t. If you do you might enjoy it more but this very much like the final issue of Remain in Light. Too much happens and is way too crammed
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Re: IDW Optimus Prime Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby ScottyP » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:32 am

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Randomhero wrote:I was super confused by the ending. To a point I was upset and didn’t like it and had to read the tfwiki article to understand what happened to Optimus and Bumblebee.
My respect for what Mr. McFeeley wrote up on TF Wiki for this issue is immense. He did a great job taking this scattered mess and putting it into a discernible sequence of events.

But it does bear repeating that this shouldn't be necessary. A good summary by an outside source doesn't make up for the wandering experience in the issue itself. I can tell that Barber knew what was going on, and the artists probably did too, but something about the package together doesn't deliver the message with clarity. More words would help in some places, less in others? Not sure, but hopefully everything from here out is more coherent.
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Re: IDW Optimus Prime Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:52 am

ScottyP wrote:
Randomhero wrote:I was super confused by the ending. To a point I was upset and didn’t like it and had to read the tfwiki article to understand what happened to Optimus and Bumblebee.
My respect for what Mr. McFeeley wrote up on TF Wiki for this issue is immense. He did a great job taking this scattered mess and putting it into a discernible sequence of events.

But it does bear repeating that this shouldn't be necessary. A good summary by an outside source doesn't make up for the wandering experience in the issue itself. I can tell that Barber knew what was going on, and the artists probably did too, but something about the package together doesn't deliver the message with clarity. More words would help in some places, less in others? Not sure, but hopefully everything from here out is more coherent.



100% agreed! I don’t think you should ever have to go to the wiki and Chris is an amazing with how much devotion he has to the comics. More than either of us and we’re both very pationate about the comics.

The one thing I didn’t have a problem and I know some people would and will is Shockwave. He never actually revealed what he was doing when he returned as Onyx. He comes, he stirs up a lot of stuff, revealed he’s Shockwave and stirs up more problems and then just stops and his response is “i miss my best friend”. There is a line that he intended to inoculate everyone to be able to be fueled by the tainted emerging but he caused so many problems just to try and save everyone. He didn’t need to kill Alpha trion, he didn’t need to bring Metrotitan to Cybertron and isolate tryipticon and he certainly didn’t need to ostracize Soundwsve. Really didn’t need to bring an army with him either. He does a lot of things that didn’t actually need to happen.

Now his change of heart I did love and get. Shockwave was known for being overly emotional and he got his emotions back and there’s parallels to Dark Cybertron. His emotions stopped him. It happens again here. He finally-after 12 million years- reunited with his best friend and seeing Optimus disintegrate and be engulfed into the singularity brought back how he felt. It’s not spelled out and in my opinion it should have shown him being conflicted because the end result wa adjust “I messed up”

All in all like you said Scott, you can see the attempt with this story and I’m just speculating but this story was planned 4 years ago and has been building to it and if it wasn’t for the universe ending and unicron coming then John could have spent more time laying it all out. Kinda hard to even say since this was a 7 issue story with one more to tie up the loose ends that this arc leaves.

When I get off with I intend to read this whole story and maybe it’ll all jell much better.
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Re: IDW Optimus Prime Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:09 am

Good lord there’s only 4 issues left of those series. Where the Hell is prowl? Blackrock? Centurion? Bludgeon?! We know prowl will be popping up soon but there’s so many threads and plots that are dandling. One I don’t think will get touched in is Slag and what was going on there with his resurrection. He’s just back.

I’m surprised Blackrock and Centurion didn’t show in this story. They’re both connected to Shockwave and I hate to say it but it feels like they’ve been forgotten. I have faith in John but like I said 4 issues left. Never did learn why Shockwave sent Blackrock to retrieve the Enigma or what true role and plans he and for Sentinal in titans Return.
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Re: IDW Optimus Prime Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:29 am

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You know, I now understand the message to unicron at the end of first strike. Seems like one of those things though that if it didn't happen then there wouldn't be any threat...
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Re: IDW Optimus Prime Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Sunstar » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:40 pm

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Re: IDW Optimus Prime Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:57 pm

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It was really a hard issue to follow for sure, and rang sort of hollow.

I did like the Pyra/Optimus/Bee thing in her head though, that was neat.

But, considering Shockwave made EVERYTHING up and the matrix is completely 100% gone now, A) how can they stop Unicron now? and B) how did the Matrix come into play to begin with if everything mythical was a false story made by Shockwave save Unicron and the Matrix?

Also, I do like Shockwave coming back, it's more a storytelling thing that I am not sure will be answered
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Re: IDW Optimus Prime Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:14 pm

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:It was really a hard issue to follow for sure, and rang sort of hollow.

I did like the Pyra/Optimus/Bee thing in her head though, that was neat.

But, considering Shockwave made EVERYTHING up and the matrix is completely 100% gone now, A) how can they stop Unicron now? and B) how did the Matrix come into play to begin with if everything mythical was a false story made by Shockwave save Unicron and the Matrix?

Also, I do like Shockwave coming back, it's more a storytelling thing that I am not sure will be answered



Yeah that’s been on my mind too. I don’t care about the Matrix used to defeat Unicron. Unicron has been bested before without it in other stories but the matrix also not only reformatted Optimus twice in IDW but also reformatted the entire planet during chaos. So there’s that. What was it?

There still is the Guiding Hand and Primus. Shockwave didn’t make up all religion like he says. He made up the primes but now we know the Knights of Cybertron did exist and they did worship the guiding hand. They pre-exist shockwaves meddling by a smidge.

It’s like he made up the New Testament but not the Old Testament.
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Re: IDW Optimus Prime Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:22 pm

After posting my last all I can think about is in dark cyberton when they wanted to ask metroplex if the knights are real and Nautica did and said metroplex they don’t deserve to know. Well now we know they did exist and weren’t really anything. Damn metroplex was just being a dick.
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Re: IDW Optimus Prime Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Sunstar » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:29 pm

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that was... not as good as I had hoped it would be.

Starscream appeared to regress, no idea how bee and prime get out and bee is returned to the real world... This is the last book? or is there one more after? I suppose unicron 0 - 1 are out so those are what follows after? I am left with many questions.
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Re: IDW Optimus Prime Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:13 am

Sunstar wrote:that was... not as good as I had hoped it would be.

Starscream appeared to regress, no idea how bee and prime get out and bee is returned to the real world... This is the last book? or is there one more after? I suppose unicron 0 - 1 are out so those are what follows after? I am left with many questions.



Optimus and Bumblbee were reduced to data in infraspace. Shockwave used Pyra Magna as a vessel for their minds due to her being a combiner so her being able to handle multiple minds was the best choice. This was the end of this story but issue 22 will be an epilogue to have Optimus and Bumblbee be transferred out of her mind and prepare for what’s coming. Hence why it ended with “unicron coming” not “unicron arrives”
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Re: IDW Optimus Prime Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Sunstar » Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:22 am

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Okay, so there is an issue 22. I was under the impression that the 20 was the penultimate and 21 was the end. Thanks for clearing that up. Okay, I will settle down and allow my previous disappointment to fade as it wasn't an end.
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Re: IDW Optimus Prime Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby ScottyP » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:34 am

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Sunstar wrote:Okay, so there is an issue 22. I was under the impression that the 20 was the penultimate and 21 was the end. Thanks for clearing that up. Okay, I will settle down and allow my previous disappointment to fade as it wasn't an end.
21 is the end of "The Falling", but Optimus Prime the series runs until issue 25 :)
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Re: IDW Optimus Prime Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:35 am

Sunstar wrote:Okay, so there is an issue 22. I was under the impression that the 20 was the penultimate and 21 was the end. Thanks for clearing that up. Okay, I will settle down and allow my previous disappointment to fade as it wasn't an end.



Like I said earlier, I think everyone was just expecting the arc to end at 21. They never said everything will be tied up but I think-and I’m included- were just kinda expecting that.

And sadly it happened to be explained to you and me and others what was going on in this book and that’s never a good thing but once you know and go back read the issue it all does make sense. I’m not sure if that’s a problem with us or the book to be honest.


You do see Optimus and Bumblbee glowing and turning into streams of light and by the end of that page those streams of light going into pyra and the dialogue is very heavy and shockwave does explain they are just data that needs transferred.
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