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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Daniel Adkins » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:43 pm

ScottyP wrote:Hate to be That Guy, but it probably won't get there. I'm gonna bet Lost Light gets canned or rebooted again somehow around the 21-22 mark.

I don't want that to happen, but it would not surprise me to see some major shakeups post-Unicron. In the meantime I'll do what I can buying multiple covers every month in my desperate bid to throw money around trying to prevent the inevitable.

Or... maybe it just ends? I mean, let's face it, MTMTE was not going to last forever and Season 3 is pretty clearly going to be the final season. I'm sure they'll give James enough space to wrap everything up while also preparing for the inevitable soft-reboot that happens post-Unicron.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby ScottyP » Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:35 am

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^That's a good re-wording of what I was trying to say :) I think this is either it, as Roberts has always been clear that the story has an ending that is known to him, or this is the lead up to a stretch that is the end.

Of course, the intended title for the finale is "There is a Light That Never Goes Out" iirc. While yes, that's a song title, I think it's a fun and possibly unintended spin on the old "It never ends!" Furmanism.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby megatronus » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:38 pm

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Dropping in to say I loved this issue. The twist was well executed, character-driven, and satisfying. First time in a long while I felt a wave of WTF pass over me in a totally didn't-see-it-coming way.

I haven't gone through all the negative posts, but will have to do so later. Very intrigued to read why everyone's crapping all over this issue.
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Sneak Peek - IDW Transformers: Lost Light #11

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:49 am

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Thanks to iTunes, we have a new preview for the upcoming Transformers: Lost Light #11! Lost Light #11 picks up where #10 left off, serving as the middle chapter of the Mutineers Trilogy. We left off last issue with the reveal that there were many crewmembers who had been reduced to sparks, brains, and spines in engex containers, other crewmembers who were questioning the decision to go with the mutiny, some of those mentioned crewmembers stuck in a brain memory loop including the Protectobots, Thunderclash, and Mirage, and a Getaway that is far more ruthless and more dictatorish than when we previously saw him almost 2 years ago. This chapter starts with the mutiny recruiting story, with Getaway telling someone in Rung's office about how the process went down. While the person may be Rung, it is highly unlikely, and we are left wondering who he is really talking to.

Check out the 3 page preview below, and let us know what you think of these new pages in the comments section below!

Success? The crew of the Lost Light, led by the mutinous Getaway, is now only weeks away from completing their quest. But such remarkable progress comes at a price. Just how far is their new captain prepared to go to find Cyberutopia? Unfortunately for the likes of Riptide and First Aid, it turns out the answer is “very far indeed.”


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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:41 pm

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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Glarryg » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:10 pm

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I don't know; the part where Atomizer has his gun under the table, pointed at Mainframe (just in case), was a nice touch. Not all the little details are bad.

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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby ricemazter » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:41 pm

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Wow, Getaway really has become just cartoonishly evil at this point, hasn't he? I got the impression when this whole mutiny thing started, that Getaway was at least working from the extreme but not unreasonable perspective of "high command gave the guy responsible for the the deaths of thousands of my friends wrap on the wrist and a position of authority, what a slap in the face to the people who fought and died because of this guy. He's gotta go, it's only fair, our other captain is a moron anyway."

I didn't read the last issue, so the rest of you might not be surprised at this point, but this makes the whole situation a lot less compelling for me. Also, he's gotta be talking to Froid, right?
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Mr.MicroMaster » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:48 pm

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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby partholon » Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:20 pm

MagicDeath wrote:Anyone here collect in this format? Any thoughts on it?


when i saw the dive in art quality i went trade for lost light (along with the fact that the "No 1" launch gimick meant my retailer didnt get an issue in till no 3) and after issue 6 of OP i did the same for it too.

i havent read it yet as it only arrived in the post yesterday but its a good HALF the price of individual issue for me and its the format i keep up to in titles ive dropped but still have an interest in. currently im a good halfway through hickmans run on FF for instance- with an aim to get to his secret wars "event" where anything worth buying at marvel comics ended :D :D :D

the time lag is a bastard.

it means ya cant come in and have casual posts with fellow seibertronians as you wont be up to speed for months on end. trade 2 of lost light for instance wont be out till march 18 so while i drop in now and again to see previews i cant really discuss something without ruining a story for myself. the flip side of course is you get the whole story at once.

i remember the bitching that was going around back in the furman days and the complaints about how slow "inflitration" and the like was in individual issues. pretty much everyone agreed it read better as a trade. in furmans defense he's admited that "writing for the trade" is the business model now though.

i will say its ALOT easier to store the trades too.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:25 pm

Glarryg wrote:I don't know; the part where Atomizer has his gun under the table, pointed at Mainframe (just in case), was a nice touch. Not all the little details are bad.

Glarryg


A touch and detail from something we were aware of for almost two years now. Maineframe was right upfront when the mutiny was reveled in the very same issue we saw them meeting up with people with the nudge gun under the table. It’s a detail that’s completely irrelevant and pointless to be pointed out.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby megatronus » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:08 pm

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Randomhero wrote:
Glarryg wrote:I don't know; the part where Atomizer has his gun under the table, pointed at Mainframe (just in case), was a nice touch. Not all the little details are bad.

Glarryg


A touch and detail from something we were aware of for almost two years now. Maineframe was right upfront when the mutiny was reveled in the very same issue we saw them meeting up with people with the nudge gun under the table. It’s a detail that’s completely irrelevant and pointless to be pointed out.

That's a pretty ungenerous posture. If someone appreciates that detail, why take their enjoyment away?
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby ScottyP » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:47 am

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Randomhero wrote:
Glarryg wrote:I don't know; the part where Atomizer has his gun under the table, pointed at Mainframe (just in case), was a nice touch. Not all the little details are bad.

Glarryg


A touch and detail from something we were aware of for almost two years now. Maineframe was right upfront when the mutiny was reveled in the very same issue we saw them meeting up with people with the nudge gun under the table. It’s a detail that’s completely irrelevant and pointless to be pointed out.
Actually it isn't, it explains the difference in the crew that goes to Necroworld the first time vs. the second time. Mainframe, Hound, Atomizer, and Riptide were doing homework, not paling around. This flashback scene occurs during the events of issue 40, so it works out as the first trip to Necroworld is in 44.

If you're looking for something to be negative about, Thunderclash being there is an actual continuity error, unfortunately
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby WreckerJack » Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:07 pm

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Is that a Getaway star in his hand?

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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Targetmaster Kup » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:10 pm

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News@Rama has a preview of Lost Light #11 at https://www.newsarama.com/37512-thunder ... eview.html

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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:06 am

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A couple of Seibertron.com community members have linked to us to the full previews of this week's comics by IDW Publishing featuring our very own Cybertronian favourites, in two separate series, both on entertainment site Newsarama - first up, the second part of the 'Mutineers' Trilogy' on Transformers: Lost Light, going back to the ship itself, and finding out exactly what Getaway is up to after all. It's still not nice.

Take a read below, and come back for a review of the issue later this week, courtesy of Twincaster and IDWverse master (one of five) ScottyP.

Transformers: Lost Light #11
James Roberts (w) • Jack Lawrence (a & c)
Success? The crew of the Lost Light, led by the mutinous Getaway, is now only weeks away from completing their quest. But such remarkable progress comes at a price. Just how far is their new captain prepared to go to find Cyberutopia? Unfortunately for the likes of Riptide and First Aid, it turns out the answer is “very far indeed.”
FC • 32 pages • $3.99
Bullet points:
- Variant cover by Joana Lafuente!


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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Ironhidensh » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:17 am

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Review of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #11

Postby ScottyP » Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:30 am

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A Review of Transformers: Lost Light #11

Free of any explicit spoilers, but be forewarned some are implied.
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Lost Light 11 picks up right where we left off, still on the book's namesake ship with a crew collectively known as "The Mutineers". If issue 10 was about First Aid, then this chapter is best described as being about Getaway. The latest captain is the focus this time around, in a very densely plotted, continuity rich installment. The expected James Roberts character work is accompanied by Jack Lawrence, Joana Lafuente, and Tom B. Long on (most) visuals, and series followers anxiously await more detail and resolution to long lingering questions. Does this latest entry of Lost Light deliver the goods? Read on to find out!

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He's like The Love Boat, but worse

Transformers fans have been chomping at the bit to hate Getaway at every turn. While it's a small disappointment to see a direction chosen that really does feed this contempt, there's a commitment to the decision that comes through on the page. Getaway is caught up in his own b.s. in such a complete, deep, hopeless way that the Megatron parallels seen both in word and deed weren't something I found to be a detriment - though as another perspective is valuable, it should be said that some on site staff feel the parallels might be a bit too on the nose.

Lost Light 11 shows Getaway managing a complex plan with constant obstacles tripping things up, with a desperation taking hold informing some less than scrupulous choices. One lie leads to another, with existing personality traits perpetuating a supercilious attitude that steadily gets worse. The emotion of doubling-down on a bad decision comes across as genuine, and while reading the book there's still a feeling that somewhere within the repressed secret agent style exterior is at least a faint tinge of regret with a side dish of remorse. Nothing feels cartoon-like with this villain work, and that's very welcome. Even Getaway's darkest moment in the story (well, a few come to mind) were closer to "James Bond is about to do something very bad that he shouldn't but whatever, he's James Bond" than "Megatron is going to blow up Sherman Dam, oh no!"

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Despite the tight focus on Getaway, there are still other central elements to the story that provide satisfying perspective on events while moving the plot forward. Thunderclash provides a warrented presence that feels natural while framing chosen past events through a new set of eyes. This lends an accessibility to the book that I think is effective. Admittedly, I'm so deep into Fanboy Land at times with this series it's also possible that the continuity is so deeply entrenched at this point into my subconscious that this issue could be totally inaccessible and I wouldn't even know it, so bear this in mind. Exposition does occur but isn't too heavy for too long, and literally reprinted pages from a past issue are placed in appropriately to help catch up new or casual readers without taking any space from anything else. In other words, if hearing about reprinted parts worries you, there's no cause for concern because there are still 20 new story pages in the issue.

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"Atomizer, I think I see your tiny house over here!"

Thunderclash isn't the only perspective that comes as a welcome part of the story. As many will recall, in More Than Meets The Eye #50 Getaway was the apparent driving force behind a mutiny that left Megatron and "Team Rodimus" stranded and at the mercy of three terrifying villains: Overlord, the Decepticon Justice Division, and an army of 500 other Decepticons commanded by Deathsaurus. The crew of maybe-complicit-maybe-not mutineers was comprised of several Autobots that many fans couldn't bear to see in that position. After all, Hoist has a Rodimus Star! Riptide and Hound seem so nice! Perceptor couldn't have been in on it, he's Perceptor! Blaster!? He's too cool! Grapple lifts things!

Without giving things away, readers waiting for the endless speculation on certain character motivations to end should be pleased with this issue. Not every question gets answered, but there's a lot here to keep fueling, say, your posts here on the Energon Pub Forums about why Hound did nothing wrong for many weeks to come.

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It took quite a while to figure out what to critique here, but it's probably fair to say that some subtlety in the book's political commentary would have been welcome. One of the moments in question almost comes across as an unintentional gag, whereas a touch of nuance could have helped convey a more focused message. Then again, perhaps given the situation at hand, the lack of even trying to hide swipes at today's real world attempts at hegemony is exactly what was called for.

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Uh oh, not those meddling kids again! Just kidding, it's really not like that.

Jack Lawrence is once again the main line-work artist for this installment, and this may very well be his best output yet. The considerable cast roster experiences one twist after another turn after another meeting around the furniture, but at no point do the facial expressions feel inappropriate or overdone. The tight environmental focus provided by the setting, that being the interior of the Lost Light itself, might help some readers notice the exemplary body language conveyed more than in earlier installments. Joana Lafuente's colors provide a brightness to the proceedings that help establish tone appropriately in the less than bright moments, with nothing ever coming across as washed out or out of focus. Tom B. Long's letters are indeed swoon-worthy, with no question as to which speech bubble comes next despite the presence of a high word count.

This week brings four covers, with the three order-able versions coming through the stalwart, steady teams of Lawrence and Lafuente, Nick Roche and Josh Burcham, plus fan favorites Alex Milne and Josh Perez. The thumbnail to this story features the Lawrence cover, for the sole reason of it having a "Getaway Star". As always, you can find images of all of those covers and full credits for the issue in our Vector Sigma Database page for Transformers: Lost Light #11, but do note it does contain a character appearance list that will spoil some of this issue's surprises!

Verdict
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Everything comes together in Lost Light #11 to yield a tight package that accomplishes so much in 22 pages that it's astounding. This series is on an upward trajectory and continues to surprise just when everything seems figured out. Only a couple small things are holding me back from assigning our rare, vast, predatory bird known as a perfect score for this installment, one of them being a lingering concern that some readers are unlikely to catch many of the details that make the story magic for me. I don't think anyone should skip this one due to that, just know that it might not have as much impact if your familiarity with the series has slipped or isn't there to begin with.

Between this and last week's Optimus Prime #13, Roberts and franchise co-creator John Barber are hitting a stride not seen in quite some time. As a long time reader, my excitement for the coming months is at a fever pitch once again, and it's an excellent time to get on board with IDW's Transformers comics.

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Bonus! James Roberts' soundtrack suggestions for this issue:
  • The Stone Roses - "I Am the Resurrection"
  • Longpigs - "Lost Myself"
  • The Rolling Stones - "You Can't Always Get What You Want"
  • Morrissey - "I'll Never Be Anybody's Hero"
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Targetmaster Kup » Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:38 am

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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Ironhidensh » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:22 am

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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:10 am

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I disagree with a lot of the review, and my disagreements are woven into the review itself - I could see my frown in the asides. But! I want to wait to air my thoughts in case a podcast happens. If not, I'll come back here to discuss. :D
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Ironhidensh » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:13 am

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Va'al wrote:I disagree with a lot of the review, and my disagreements are woven into the review itself - I could see my frown in the asides. But! I want to wait to air my thoughts in case a podcast happens. If not, I'll come back here to discuss. :D

No, air them, please. Yours are among the very few who's thoughts on a new issue I look forward to reading.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby ScottyP » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:36 am

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Va'al wrote:I disagree with a lot of the review, and my disagreements are woven into the review itself - I could see my frown in the asides. But! I want to wait to air my thoughts in case a podcast happens. If not, I'll come back here to discuss. :D

No, air them, please. Yours are among the very few who's thoughts on a new issue I look forward to reading.
Indeed, don't hold back! I obviously took much of your feedback in, and then proceeded to almost immediately counterpoint like, all of it. I shouldn't be allowed to Getaway with that!

Also since it didn't make sense anywhere in the review: the allusion to Death's Head was incredible! I really hope the crazy IP forces of the universe make that happen.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:11 am

Motto: "Till All Are Pun!"
ScottyP wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:
Va'al wrote:I disagree with a lot of the review, and my disagreements are woven into the review itself - I could see my frown in the asides. But! I want to wait to air my thoughts in case a podcast happens. If not, I'll come back here to discuss. :D

No, air them, please. Yours are among the very few who's thoughts on a new issue I look forward to reading.
Indeed, don't hold back! I obviously took much of your feedback in, and then proceeded to almost immediately counterpoint like, all of it. I shouldn't be allowed to Getaway with that!

Also since it didn't make sense anywhere in the review: the allusion to Death's Head was incredible! I really hope the crazy IP forces of the universe make that happen.


Give it a couple more days. I'm still working through jetlag.

But the lack of subtlety was my biggest gripe, in all of the parallels and comments thrown around in the issue. From the very opening scene:

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If all my previous issues with Getaway and Megatron were being subsumed into the plot, the overt parallels in #11 brought them back raging to the surface, and I'm once again unhappy with the treatment we're getting of the two characters, their similarities, and the readership.

On the other hand, I enjoyed this issue more than #10, despite the urge to go full Mirage on Getaway - who has now lost all traces of any kind of amorality field, and just gone full cartoon villain. That was the major point of the review I really disagree with. The plan is convoluted because of the difficulties that present themselves, and the resolutions are ..too easy. Where are the Scraplets from? Are Getaway and Atomizer really That Good at manipulation (verbal, mental, any other way), or is it just cheap narrative tricks? It just felt too easy. I'm repeating myself.
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