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Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:51 pm

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So the Entertainment Weekly website (the same guys who gave us our first look at Shatter and Dropkick) posted an article about which transformers were in the Cybertron battle. (The text contains spoilers for a couple parts, in particular about the fate of a character)

But we got some nice screenshots of the Cybertron stuff, in particular Wheeljack, Arcee, Cliffjumper (You can see for sure that his design is just a recolor of Bee's Cybertron design with addition of a new head) and a bit of Brawn.

Also I didn't even know there was a Teletran 1 appearance till I read the article!

Note: Fun fact in the Wheeljack screenshot you can see Dropkick's cybertron form on a ledge beside a Seeker shooting at Autobots, near Wheeljack's shoulder but above the Autobot soldier (Ratchet I think)

Nice to get some good clear HD screenshots now instead of waiting for the movie to release on dvd/digital.

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Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

Postby steals_your_goats » Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:14 pm

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I just saw Bumblebee and instead of a long review I'm just going to cut to the chase and say that this is what the movie-verse should've been from the very beginning. This is what happens when a movie is directed by someone who actually cares about the Transformers, rather than someone who's just in it for the money. This has restored my faith in the future of the live action movies.
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Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

Postby Ironhidensh » Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:04 pm

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Yeah, this movie was amazing. I took the opening scene as an apology for the first five movies. :lol:
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Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

Postby Salacious_Monk » Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:09 pm

steals_your_goats wrote:I just saw Bumblebee and instead of a long review I'm just going to cut to the chase and say that this is what the movie-verse should've been from the very beginning. This is what happens when a movie is directed by someone who actually cares about the Transformers, rather than someone who's just in it for the money. This has restored my faith in the future of the live action movies.

The problem with this movie is that the decepticons appear too weak... Blitzwing shot point blank at Bumblebee but Bee did not die...On the other hand, Bee shot Blitzwing once and Blitzwing exploded into pieces...Just because of such a small missile? Again, Dropkick (as a copter) shot at Bumblebee but could not harm it and Bee could kill Dropkick just with a chain?
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Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

Postby steals_your_goats » Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:15 pm

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Salacious_Monk wrote:
steals_your_goats wrote:I just saw Bumblebee and instead of a long review I'm just going to cut to the chase and say that this is what the movie-verse should've been from the very beginning. This is what happens when a movie is directed by someone who actually cares about the Transformers, rather than someone who's just in it for the money. This has restored my faith in the future of the live action movies.

The problem with this movie is that the decepticons appear too weak... Blitzwing shot point blank at Bumblebee but Bee did not die...On the other hand, Bee shot Blitzwing once and Blitzwing exploded into pieces...Just because of such a small missile? Again, Dropkick (as a copter) shot at Bumblebee but could not harm it and Bee could kill Dropkick just with a chain?

The size of the missile doesn't really matter when it was right near his head, but I didn't think they were weaker than any of the previous decepticons. I mean in dark of the moon Bumblebee simply punches through Soundwaves head. That's pretty weak if you ask me.
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Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

Postby Salacious_Monk » Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:20 pm

steals_your_goats wrote:
Salacious_Monk wrote:
steals_your_goats wrote:I just saw Bumblebee and instead of a long review I'm just going to cut to the chase and say that this is what the movie-verse should've been from the very beginning. This is what happens when a movie is directed by someone who actually cares about the Transformers, rather than someone who's just in it for the money. This has restored my faith in the future of the live action movies.

The problem with this movie is that the decepticons appear too weak... Blitzwing shot point blank at Bumblebee but Bee did not die...On the other hand, Bee shot Blitzwing once and Blitzwing exploded into pieces...Just because of such a small missile? Again, Dropkick (as a copter) shot at Bumblebee but could not harm it and Bee could kill Dropkick just with a chain?

The size of the missile doesn't really matter when it was right near his head, but I didn't think they were weaker than any of the previous decepticons. I mean in dark of the moon Bumblebee simply punches through Soundwaves head. That's pretty weak if you ask me.

Forget about Bay's crap...Decepticons (which are supposed to be millions of years more advanced than human beings) in his films already became prey of US soldiers...
I just wondered why Blitzwing could not kill Bumblebee with so many shots.
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Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

Postby Nemesis Maximo » Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:23 pm

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steals_your_goats wrote:
Salacious_Monk wrote:
steals_your_goats wrote:I just saw Bumblebee and instead of a long review I'm just going to cut to the chase and say that this is what the movie-verse should've been from the very beginning. This is what happens when a movie is directed by someone who actually cares about the Transformers, rather than someone who's just in it for the money. This has restored my faith in the future of the live action movies.

The problem with this movie is that the decepticons appear too weak... Blitzwing shot point blank at Bumblebee but Bee did not die...On the other hand, Bee shot Blitzwing once and Blitzwing exploded into pieces...Just because of such a small missile? Again, Dropkick (as a copter) shot at Bumblebee but could not harm it and Bee could kill Dropkick just with a chain?

The size of the missile doesn't really matter when it was right near his head, but I didn't think they were weaker than any of the previous decepticons. I mean in dark of the moon Bumblebee simply punches through Soundwaves head. That's pretty weak if you ask me.

Forget about Bay's crap...Decepticons (which are supposed to be millions of years more advanced than human beings) in his films already became prey of US soldiers...
I just wondered why Blitzwing could not kill Bumblebee with so many shots.

Cos Bumblebee’s a good guy. He has plot armor.
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Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

Postby steals_your_goats » Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:24 pm

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Salacious_Monk wrote:
steals_your_goats wrote:
Salacious_Monk wrote:
steals_your_goats wrote:I just saw Bumblebee and instead of a long review I'm just going to cut to the chase and say that this is what the movie-verse should've been from the very beginning. This is what happens when a movie is directed by someone who actually cares about the Transformers, rather than someone who's just in it for the money. This has restored my faith in the future of the live action movies.

The problem with this movie is that the decepticons appear too weak... Blitzwing shot point blank at Bumblebee but Bee did not die...On the other hand, Bee shot Blitzwing once and Blitzwing exploded into pieces...Just because of such a small missile? Again, Dropkick (as a copter) shot at Bumblebee but could not harm it and Bee could kill Dropkick just with a chain?

The size of the missile doesn't really matter when it was right near his head, but I didn't think they were weaker than any of the previous decepticons. I mean in dark of the moon Bumblebee simply punches through Soundwaves head. That's pretty weak if you ask me.

Forget about Bay's crap...Decepticons (which are supposed to be millions of years more advanced than human beings) in his films already became prey of US soldiers...
I just wondered why Blitzwing could not kill Bumblebee with so many shots.

That's the power of plot armor. I mean the movie is literally called Bumblebee so obviously Blitzwing was never going to be able to kill him.
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Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:03 pm

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You do know that Blitzwing wasn't trying to kill Bumblebee with his gun right? He was using some for of Machine gun that shot little bullets to push Bee off the ledge so he could grab and question him.

Bumblebee used a plasma cannon which is more powerful for the intent of killing and this wasn't just "one missile" that one blowing up blew up all the other missiles he had on him which caused a chain reaction to make a bigger explosion.


Blitzwing wasn't trying to kill Bee at the time while the latter was.
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Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

Postby Salacious_Monk » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:45 pm

Deadput wrote:You do know that Blitzwing wasn't trying to kill Bumblebee with his gun right? He was using some for of Machine gun that shot little bullets to push Bee off the ledge so he could grab and question him.

Bumblebee used a plasma cannon which is more powerful for the intent of killing and this wasn't just "one missile" that one blowing up blew up all the other missiles he had on him which caused a chain reaction to make a bigger explosion.


Blitzwing wasn't trying to kill Bee at the time while the latter was.

So actually Blitzwing was humane and merciful while Bumblebee was a merciless and callous murder... In other words, Blitzwing was actually a good guy while Bumblebee was a bad guy ;)
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Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:52 pm

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Salacious_Monk wrote:So actually Blitzwing was humane and merciful while Bumblebee was a merciless and callous murder... In other words, Blitzwing was actually a good guy while Bumblebee was a bad guy ;)

Heh heh, yeah kinda comes across that way the way I typed it.

I mean more so that Blitzwing wasn't trying to kill him at that one moment, as the film shows after he throws Bee off the cliff (not that Cliff fan fic writers) Blitz goes to finish him off, if he didn't stop to pick him up and monologue he would have surely killed Bee right there and then, good thing Bee is quite the intelligent bugger.
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Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

Postby Salacious_Monk » Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:01 pm

Yeah, you are right. Bad guys always have too much to say and in the end get themselves killed. Another thing that I was not satisfied was that the movie could have included in the main theme (music) of the G1 toons. That could have been awesome!
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Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:14 pm

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Deadput wrote:You do know that Blitzwing wasn't trying to kill Bumblebee with his gun right? He was using some for of Machine gun that shot little bullets to push Bee off the ledge so he could grab and question him.

Bumblebee used a plasma cannon which is more powerful for the intent of killing and this wasn't just "one missile" that one blowing up blew up all the other missiles he had on him which caused a chain reaction to make a bigger explosion.


Blitzwing wasn't trying to kill Bee at the time while the latter was.

So actually Blitzwing was humane and merciful while Bumblebee was a merciless and callous murder... In other words, Blitzwing was actually a good guy while Bumblebee was a bad guy ;)

Haha, the way I see it, Blitzwing needs Bumblebee alive, Bumblebee just retaliates and does not need Blitzwing alive at all.
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High Definition Images of Wheeljack, Arcee, Cliffjumper and More from Bumblebee Movie

Postby william-james88 » Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:24 pm

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Fellow Seibertronian Deadput has helped us out by not only letting us know of these gorgeous new high definition stills of the Transformers: Bumblebee movie's Cybertron scene but also providing a great description of what we can spot. You can check it all below, the still are from EW.

Deadput wrote:So the Entertainment Weekly website (the same guys who gave us our first look at Shatter and Dropkick) posted an article about which transformers were in the Cybertron battle. (The text contains spoilers for a couple parts, in particular about the fate of a character)

But we got some nice screenshots of the Cybertron stuff, in particular Wheeljack, Arcee, Cliffjumper (You can see for sure that his design is just a recolor of Bee's Cybertron design with addition of a new head) and a bit of Brawn.

Also I didn't even know there was a Teletran 1 appearance till I read the article!

Note: Fun fact in the Wheeljack screenshot you can see Dropkick's cybertron form on a ledge beside a Seeker shooting at Autobots, near Wheeljack's shoulder but above the Autobot soldier (Ratchet I think)

Nice to get some good clear HD screenshots now instead of waiting for the movie to release on dvd/digital.


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Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:57 pm

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I was originally typing that I thought I might have saw Jazz beside Ironhide in the Cybertron scene since I came across a very clear recording of the Cybertron battle on youtube but watching it again I'm pretty sure it was Wheeljack considering that Ironhide was next to him in his scene, the camera panned so fast the blurred screenshot sort of made it look like Jazz's silhouette.

Could of also been one of the generic Autobots we saw on Cybertron since there is a white one at the front of the group you briefly see during Wheeljack's part that gets blown up when Optimus makes his jumping entrance above the guy.

But speaking of them I think the guy who gets blown up and flips around in the air before landing on the ground right before Brawn's scene was Huffer possibly.

He has the same mostly purple with orange color scheme and he seems to have a big orange back (not as big as the G1 cartoon/toy Huffer but still a bit of kibble that could be the Huffer hood)

Also the blue Autobot that's behind Brawn during his bit actually might be female since her waist, "metal underwear" and legs resemble the more..."shapely" look that female Autobots like Arcee have, I have a good screenshot of that but I'm not going to post them due to site rules and respect to Paramount/Hasbro.

I can't wait for the HD public release so we can scourge the Cybertron scenes for good shots and see if there is anymore cameos.
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Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

Postby hausjam » Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:21 am

While these would look aweome in a cgi only full length war for cybertron movie (which I am sure would cost way too much for them to ever make) in this live action universe, they look ridiculous and out of place. It was clearly a hastily done, shameless nostalgia trip.
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Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:39 am

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hausjam wrote:While these would look aweome in a cgi only full length war for cybertron movie (which I am sure would cost way too much for them to ever make) in this live action universe, they look ridiculous and out of place. It was clearly a hastily done, shameless nostalgia trip.


I mean what do people expect digitally created colorful toy robots to look on the big screen?

Like real Transformers?

This is why we had the metal plate "insect" faces of the previous Transformers Bay films because it's less uncanny and unnatural looking then humanoid faces especially ones that are not fully human looking like robots with metal human faces.

This is why that if this is a "reboot" and they continue down that they keep Bee's face as it is since A:It makes him standout from other Transformers instead of having the same metal face as the others. B:It would be less cute if he had a face that was more like Cliffjumper, like this one.

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Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

Postby Ultra Markus » Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:07 am

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hausjam wrote:While these would look aweome in a cgi only full length war for cybertron movie (which I am sure would cost way too much for them to ever make) in this live action universe, they look ridiculous and out of place. It was clearly a hastily done, shameless nostalgia trip.

compared to the droids you see in starwars these characters are done pretty well not shameless
and everybody loves starwars and the droids you never hear of how fake and lazy CP30 was done
this is no different to the quality of starwars droids >:oP
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Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:18 am

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Ultra Markus wrote:
hausjam wrote:While these would look aweome in a cgi only full length war for cybertron movie (which I am sure would cost way too much for them to ever make) in this live action universe, they look ridiculous and out of place. It was clearly a hastily done, shameless nostalgia trip.

compared to the droids you see in starwars these characters are done pretty well not shameless
and everybody loves starwars and the droids you never hear of how fake and lazy CP30 was done
this is no different to the quality of starwars droids >:oP

To be fair most of the time C-3PO and R2-D2 were acted using actual on set costumes so they were pretty convincing.

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Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

Postby Ultra Markus » Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:29 am

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hausjam wrote:While these would look aweome in a cgi only full length war for cybertron movie (which I am sure would cost way too much for them to ever make) in this live action universe, they look ridiculous and out of place. It was clearly a hastily done, shameless nostalgia trip.

compared to the droids you see in starwars these characters are done pretty well not shameless
and everybody loves starwars and the droids you never hear of how fake and lazy CP30 was done
this is no different to the quality of starwars droids >:oP

To be fair most of the time C-3PO and R2-D2 were acted using actual on set costumes so they were pretty convincing.

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thats what i was getting at the cgi battle droids were good for starwars nobody really complained
this is no different
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Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:12 am

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Ultra Markus wrote:thats what i was getting at the cgi battle droids were good for starwars nobody really complained
this is no different


I mean I would say that Stat Wars is "famous" for it's bad CG over practical effects and the negative reception to those.
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Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

Postby noctorro » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:42 am

So nobody lost their sh*t when they saw your favorite G1 Characters looking like Transformers onscreen?

It was amazing man, Holy crap, Arcee, looking like Arcee. It's not a shameless nostalgia trip bank whatever. It's Transformers, what a Transformers movie should be about.

The 5 movies we got should've been re-imaginations with their art-house weird designs. And after 5 real Transformers movies. They should not've been the start.

Anyway back to positive. I do feel like this has been decided lateron in the production of the movie seeing a lot of people are sick and tired of Transformers not being Transformers (and more like Skyrim in the last movie). That they chanced back to the roots (where one should start)

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Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:30 am

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Who said the movie should look like G1 in the first place? I mean it's not like they haven't changed styles at all during the thirty years run, and banking on nostalgia only works for so long.


To settle this, I propose that Hasbro reboot the series with the next film and use a different style completely. Not the one used before, and not this one. The style should be constantly changing as much as the toystgo from one mode to another. I mean Transformers is all about change,why do we fear it so?
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Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:14 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:Who said the movie should look like G1 in the first place? I mean it's not like they haven't changed styles at all during the thirty years run, and banking on nostalgia only works for so long.

To settle this, I propose that Hasbro reboot the series with the next film and use a different style completely. Not the one used before, and not this one. The style should be constantly changing as much as the toystgo from one mode to another. I mean Transformers is all about change,why do we fear it so?


To be fair the G1 crowd hasn't had a live action G1 styled live action film yet while we have had 10 years and 5 films of Bayformers so I'd say it's fair to have one more film with this style for them, and with the likely hood Bumblebee doesn't do so well in the box office Paramount/Hasbro are gonna have to since we need a big hit Transformers film for the franchise's future, so it needs to make money and we need 3 things to make it happen.

1: Give the aesthetic that draws in the biggest crowd and hence the most money, that aesthetic so happens to be the G1 stuff over anything else in the franchise. (Is Transformers Prime or Armada anywhere near as beloved?)

2: They need to have a good movie with a good plot and a good ensemble cast, this is where the originality can sort of start to peak without going to far from the G1 image, the best thing to do is have 7 Autobots against another group of Decepticons you can mix up well known characters like Prime, Bee and Jazz with more obscure guys like Hot Shot or Metalhawk same goes for Decepticons, story wise it's best to keep things simple so no end of the world plots or magic Macguffins

3: They need to have a better premier date, Bumblebee going up against Aquaman, Spiderverse, Mary Poppins, etc has probably hurt this movie's sales bad.


Alienating the G1 crowd with both it's unfamiliar character designs compared to their counterparts (Not the aesthetic just that characters like say Ironhide don't look anything like the G1 guy) combined with the over complicated and juvenile save the world plots that's been the plot for all 5 movies is part of why the Bay films stopped working as we have seen with the dropping box office and poor critical reception.

There is no reason why the Bumblebee movie couldn't be a fresh reboot itself, outside of Bumblebee with his design and Sector 7 the biggest things tying to the Bay films is dealt with by the end of the movie, the Allspark and Megatron aren't mentioned leaving their fates open to being dealt with differently in a later movie and the ending has Optimus as well as 7 Autobots arriving on Earth at the end of the film which already breaks continuity with the 2007 film alone.


What other Transformers aesthetic would Hasbro/Paramount even possibly come up with, anything is just going to resemble the "realistic" Bayverse type designs whether they be more "Car wraps around the Transformers skeleton" or boxy style G1 type looks, that's always been the case Transformers changes how the stories happen and the cast but the actual style of Transformers has never changed that much, it's always the Autobots vs the Decepticons (Or groups with similar roles like the Maximals vs the Predacons) the aesthetic of Transformers only has two different styles:

The original boxy toy like looks such as G1 or the Unicron Trilogy or the more stylized curvy (as well as mostly toy design unfriendly) looks of the movies and Transformers Prime.

Only Transformers Animated sort of denies this by being a stylized cartoon style that is basically a combination of the other two styles and this wouldn't work for a live action movie.

No popular franchise can "change" that damn drastic without losing the audience and it's identity, your idea is possibly the worse thing Hasbro/Paramount can do, yes even worse then sticking with the Bayverse continuity which itself is probably an awful move.

This ideas basically what crippled Star Wars as a franchise with The Last Jedi, because it changed so much and even worse "disrespected" a lot of what came before like Luke god damn Skywalker the hero of that franchise.

The Marvel movies can take what's familiar, change it slightly and make good plots and make that work why can't Transformers?


You change it so much and what makes it Transformers anymore besides robots transforming into vehicles? Literally no other franchise does this.
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Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:35 am

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Regarding the marvel movies, phase 4 will be interesting to see as there's no more iron man, no captain America, who knows his much longer there will be a hulk unless Mark has more films left on his contract.

Why does this franchise have such issues with change? G1 itself went through several iterations, it allowed itself to change. It's very hard to feel nostalgia for something that never goes away. Also if this movie doesn't perform to expectations, this will become a prequel in all. After all, megs wasnt allowed to be in the movie ;)
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