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[Cyberpath]

Hmmm.

Thinking I'm liking Universe a bit more.

How about now?

 

[D-Maximal_Primal]

damn, I cannot wait for this!

[Kurona]

Hmmm.

Thinking I'm liking Universe a bit more.

How about now?

 

Hmmmm. It is a toughie - MP has the best robot mode by a long shot, but Universe's weapon mode is so much better and refined. Hard to choose which is more important.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Hmmm.

Thinking I'm liking Universe a bit more.

How about now?

 

Hmmmm. It is a toughie - MP has the best robot mode by a long shot, but Universe's weapon mode is so much better and refined. Hard to choose which is more important.

MP is the best looking, all the way

[Sabrblade]

Hmmm.

Thinking I'm liking Universe a bit more.

How about now?

 

Wait a sec. That cartoon model's a fan-corrected version, right? A Fracas-colored version of the model that was based on Fracas's toy, yes? As opposed to the Nightstick-colored version based on the Fracas toy but which was instead used for Nightstick in both The Rebirth and the Marvel comics:

[Cyberpath]

Wait a sec. That cartoon model's a fan-corrected version, right?

Nope. It's the real deal. Though not named and assigned to Cyclonus.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Hmmm.

Thinking I'm liking Universe a bit more.

How about now?

 

Wait a sec. That cartoon model's a fan-corrected version, right? A Fracas-colored version of the model that was based on Fracas's toy, yes? As opposed to the Nightstick-colored version based on the Fracas toy but which was instead used for Nightstick in both The Rebirth and the Marvel comics:

Are we gonna start the Nightstick vs. Fracas thing here? That's just all kinds of a mess.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Let's just all agree that this Nightstick looks frikkin amazing and he will be awesome with a giant firetruck.

Plus, you can actually have a little partner manning the ladder, which the product shots already assured us was amazing!

[Cyberpath]

 

[Sabrblade]

Wait a sec. That cartoon model's a fan-corrected version, right?

Nope. It's the real deal. Though not named and assigned to Cyclonus.

But how? The cartoon and comics switched their character models, applying each's intended color schemes to the other's model, like what would later happen between Nightbeat's and Siren's heads.

[Cyberpath]

Wait a sec. That cartoon model's a fan-corrected version, right?

Nope. It's the real deal. Though not named and assigned to Cyclonus.

But how? The cartoon and comics switched their character models, applying each's intended color schemes to the other's model, like what would later happen between Nightbeat's and Siren's heads.

Character model-cels went through several revisions before locking the final version, and Rebirth had a plethora of new characters; it's easy for things to get mixed up during production, especially before the age of internet and smart-phones.

[Sabrblade]

Wait a sec. That cartoon model's a fan-corrected version, right?

Nope. It's the real deal. Though not named and assigned to Cyclonus.

But how? The cartoon and comics switched their character models, applying each's intended color schemes to the other's model, like what would later happen between Nightbeat's and Siren's heads.

Character model-cels went through several revisions before locking the final version, and Rebirth had a plethora of new characters; it's easy for things to get mixed up during production, especially before the age of internet and smart-phones.

No, I mean, how do you have a "real" version of the correct model in the right colors when the cartoon and comics both had the models switched but given each other's right colors?

[Cyberpath]

Wait a sec. That cartoon model's a fan-corrected version, right?

Nope. It's the real deal. Though not named and assigned to Cyclonus.

But how? The cartoon and comics switched their character models, applying each's intended color schemes to the other's model, like what would later happen between Nightbeat's and Siren's heads.

Character model-cels went through several revisions before locking the final version, and Rebirth had a plethora of new characters; it's easy for things to get mixed up during production, especially before the age of internet and smart-phones.

No, I mean, how do you have a "real" version of the correct model in the right colors when the cartoon and comics both had the models switched but given each other's right colors?

Pretty much every character had several model-cels till they got the final stamp of approval, it's possible that the animation studio and comic-book artist received an outdated/unfinished reference material for Fracas and Nightstick. (Like how several characters in 2nd season AKOM had the wrong colours, or the original TFTM Floro Drey designs showing up in a couple of episodes and the Marvel comics.) I wouldn't read too much into a blooper. Sometime all it takes is for someone to put down the wrong name on the drawing.

Targetmaster Decepticon
Gun & transformed mini robot
(Cyclonus)

 

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Ugh, this adds another layer of the Nightstick/Fracas debate. When were the designs switched, or the toys switched, or... ugh.

[sol magnus]

I think my compromise on this guy is to wait for a price drop - maybe around Christmas. The Targetmaster is too cool to pass on.

[fenrir72]

I think my compromise on this guy is to wait for a price drop - maybe around Christmas. The Targetmaster is too cool to pass on.

He is a bit cheaper than Inferno and Grapple surprisingly.

Grapple 11920Y 21% off

Artfire 11270Y 30% off (Why they are selling him 30% is beyond me)

Inferno 11900Y 21% off

Amiami price quote

[Sabrblade]

Targetmaster Decepticon
Gun & transformed mini robot
(Cyclonus)

Thanks to your unearthing and bringing this character model to my attention, I showed it to some others and now it has hit the Wiki!

If you got any more stuff like this that helps explain age-old conundrums, you oughta give the Wiki a holler.

[fenrir72]

Speaking of Artfire, his "code name" anyways, I read that when he was released together with Stepper, there was speculation that their names might have been switched. Similar to Sunstreaker and Sideswipe and the seeker knuckle heads' specs.

Stepper= ladder steps?

Artfire= See Stepper's "flame" deco on his robo breast. Though this part , "fire" can still be attributed to the Firetruck alt mode just like "Inferno".

Was this issue ever cleared up? In the Japanese medium that is.

[Sabrblade]

Speaking of Artfire, his "code name" anyways, I read that when he was released together with Stepper, there was speculation that their names might have been switched. Similar to Sunstreaker and Sideswipe and the seeker knuckle heads' specs.

Stepper= ladder steps?

Artfire= See Stepper's "flame" deco on his robo breast. Though this part , "fire" can still be attributed to the Firetruck alt mode just like "Inferno".

Was this issue ever cleared up? In the Japanese medium that is.

Doesn't appear to have been. Though, some speculate that it might have been referenced in Car Robots Artfire having a deco that homaged Stepper even though he used the name "Artfire".

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Question for you guys: if I cancel my pre-order, do you think this guy will still be available in a couple months for the same price?

[Bumblebee21]

Question for you guys: if I cancel my pre-order, do you think this guy will still be available in a couple months for the same price?

depends on how popular he is.
since its a tfs i think he will be in stock for a while

[william-james88]

Question for you guys: if I cancel my pre-order, do you think this guy will still be available in a couple months for the same price?

If you are willing to buy from a japanese store, then yes.

[Bumblebee21]

Question for you guys: if I cancel my pre-order, do you think this guy will still be available in a couple months for the same price?

If you are willing to buy from a japanese store, then yes.

he still avaliable at tfs and will be for a while. hes not that popular of a character

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Question for you guys: if I cancel my pre-order, do you think this guy will still be available in a couple months for the same price?

If you are willing to buy from a japanese store, then yes.

Inferno and Grapple are still in stock so he may stay there for a bit

[Va'al]

Notified by Seibertronian archivist ScottyP, we have some images of the collector coin accompanying certain releases of the Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-37 Artfire via the Snakas blog! You can check them out mirrored below, and wait for the figure's release this coming weekend by discussing it in the Energon Pub!