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[william-james88]

Brand Unification is at an all time high, not only are Hasbro and Takara releasing the exact same figures for the Transformers Power of the Primes line but they are revealing them on the very same day (depending on your time zone). We have posted a gallery of all that was shown on the Hasbro side of things today and now, at the other end of the world, fellow Seibertronian Primalxconvoy attended Japan's Wonderfest 2018 and snapped images of these same figures. The big deal here is that they are indeed the same figures.

We get our first look at Takara's POTP Terrorcons and they are listed as PP-21 through PP-25. Along with Predaking listed as PP-31, this confirms that all these combiners will be in the Power of the Primes line, and thus exactly the same as Hasbro, rather than being released in a Unite Warriors line. While it may sound obvious looking at all that has happened so far, there was some hope that the G1 combiners would get a different release in the East, to at least match releases of previous classic combiners like Superion and Computron (Abominus' rival).

But it won't be the case. That does however mean any fan who has an easier time getting the Hasbro product won't have to wait.

The showfloor also had grey models for Optimal Optimus and Predaking, so that's something we didn't see at Toyfair.

[Albatross250]

I expect different paint types for Primal in the version

[william-james88]

I expect different paint types for Primal in the version

lol, prepare to be dissapointed

[Burn]

Burn. I spent all of my time, sitting next to the toilets to send these pics. I haven't even had a chance to actually enjoy myself yet.

Dude, seriously ... you shouldn't do that in public man. Nor should you even share such info with us! Come on man ...

Your tone seems ungrateful, and I don't appreciate that.

And I don't appreciate your constant baiting of me.

A small thank you would be appreciated.

You got your name in the news article. What more do you want? sheesh ... someone really needs of ahem ... enjoy himself some more.

However, thanks for the link.

I genuinely thought the necessary e-mail links were floating around some where. (That's more site design stuff so not my area)
-edit-
Just had the reason why they're not displayed explained to me, valid reason.
Plus you apparently had the address already I've been informed.
But hey, not my area. I gotta stop being helpful, it just backfires on me. I'm gonna stick to banning instead.

Onto the pictures ... looking at Predaking like that, he doesn't look so bad after all in terms of design. Maybe Toy Fair was mistransformed, posed at a dodgy angle, or something else to make him look off.

[Sabrblade]

Here is my position with this new Optimus Primal.

I'm not happy with what I'm seeing. Particularly with the gray cockpit chest.

It just looks wrong. If Hasbro has released Leader class Evolution Optimus Prime with his front chest colored any color other than red, with zero attempts at justification for the color change beyond "It's part of this toy's newness", I doubt many would have been that content with it.

And, frankly, I don't really feel that much need for this toy. I currently still own the original Optimal Optimus toy, plus the Masterpiece of Season 1 Primal, and the Beast Wars 10th Anniversary retool of the original Ultra class toy with the show-accurate robot head and gorilla face/robot chest, and the Beast Wars Telemocha Series version of the RobotMasters mold with its show-accurate deco. Not to mention both the Hasbro and Takara versions of the Transmetal Optimus Primal toy with its perfect hoverboarding gorilla mode.

So, what appeal is there, for me personally, towards this new toy that any of the six aforementioned other toys of Primal that I already own don't already cover?

Full disclosure: I ask this as though I were speaking to Hasbro itself, not to us fans.

[Hellscream9999]

Here is my position with this new Optimus Primal.

I'm not happy with what I'm seeing. Particularly with the gray cockpit chest.

It just looks wrong. If Hasbro has released Leader class Evolution Optimus Prime with his front chest colored any color other than red, with zero attempts at justification for the color change beyond "It's part of this toy's newness", I doubt many would have been that content with it.

And, frankly, I don't really feel that much need for this toy. I currently still own the original Optimal Optimus toy, plus the Masterpiece of Season 1 Primal, and the Beast Wars 10th Anniversary retool of the original Ultra class toy with the show-accurate robot head and gorilla face/robot chest, and the Beast Wars Telemocha Series version of the RobotMasters mold with its show-accurate deco. Not to mention both the Hasbro and Takara versions of the Transmetal Optimus Primal toy with its perfect hoverboarding gorilla mode.

So, what appeal is there, for me personally, towards this new toy that any of the six aforementioned other toys of Primal that I already own don't already cover?

Full disclosure: I ask this as though I were speaking to Hasbro itself, not to us fans.

cuz it was the winner of the vote, they didn't want to make him in the first place I'm sure, and wouldn't have if he didn't win the vote, but he did, so here he is... He actually looks pretty cool all things considered, primals' skateboards bot mode has a lush headsculpt, as does optimal's and the beast modes... It does have a bunch of cool modes, and, again looks like fun what with the surfing thing. I think its great for all the new fans that want an option for a cool generations optimal optimus. I mean it even does the matrix in the chest thing, that's pretty cool.

[william-james88]

I have the same beef with POTP Leader Prime as you have with Leader Optimal Optimus. I dont see the point of it existence when I have something better for all its components. The only difference here is the transformation, how you get from one form to the next. But the final products, the modes, are all kinda redundant compared to other toys we own. I guess Hasbro is hoping we find the journey more rewarding than the destination (which does have a point, depending on what one looks for in a TF toy).

[Sabrblade]

cuz it was the winner of the vote, they didn't want to make him in the first place I'm sure, and wouldn't have if he didn't win the vote, but he did, so here he is...

Er, the question I asked wasn't one that could be answered with a "Because..." type answer.

primals' skateboards bot mode has a lush headsculpt, as does optimal's and the beast modes... It does have a bunch of cool modes, and, again looks like fun what with the surfing thing.

Again, all that is already covered by one or more of the six figures I already own.

I mean it even does the matrix in the chest thing, that's pretty cool.

Well, yeah, all of the Leader class figures of this line do that. That's part of their gimmick.

[Sabrblade]

I have the same beef with POTP Leader Prime as you have with Leader Optimal Optimus. I dont see the point of it existence when I have something better for all its components. The only difference here is the transformation, how you get from one form to the next. But the final products, the modes, are all kinda redundant compared to other toys we own. I guess Hasbro is hoping we find the journey more rewarding than the destination (which does have a point, depending on what one looks for in a TF toy).

For the Optimus Prime toy, I could see one making an argument for its Orion Pax component being unique enough since it's the first and so far only toy based directly on Cartoon Orion Pax in existence; something we've never truly had before.

[william-james88]

I have the same beef with POTP Leader Prime as you have with Leader Optimal Optimus. I dont see the point of it existence when I have something better for all its components. The only difference here is the transformation, how you get from one form to the next. But the final products, the modes, are all kinda redundant compared to other toys we own. I guess Hasbro is hoping we find the journey more rewarding than the destination (which does have a point, depending on what one looks for in a TF toy).

For the Optimus Prime toy, I could see one making an argument for its Orion Pax component being unique enough since it's the first and so far only toy based directly on Cartoon Orion Pax in existence; something we've never truly had before.

We are still stuck spending all that money just for a smaller bot's robot mode though (since even his alt mode is wrong).

[Sabrblade]

I have the same beef with POTP Leader Prime as you have with Leader Optimal Optimus. I dont see the point of it existence when I have something better for all its components. The only difference here is the transformation, how you get from one form to the next. But the final products, the modes, are all kinda redundant compared to other toys we own. I guess Hasbro is hoping we find the journey more rewarding than the destination (which does have a point, depending on what one looks for in a TF toy).

For the Optimus Prime toy, I could see one making an argument for its Orion Pax component being unique enough since it's the first and so far only toy based directly on Cartoon Orion Pax in existence; something we've never truly had before.

We are still stuck spending all that money just for a smaller bot's robot mode though (since even his alt mode is wrong).

Yeah, but it's at least one new thing.

And, well, to be a tad bit fair, Cartoon Orion Pax never did transform into altmode, so we really don't know what he turns into.

[Hellscream9999]

I have the same beef with POTP Leader Prime as you have with Leader Optimal Optimus. I dont see the point of it existence when I have something better for all its components. The only difference here is the transformation, how you get from one form to the next. But the final products, the modes, are all kinda redundant compared to other toys we own. I guess Hasbro is hoping we find the journey more rewarding than the destination (which does have a point, depending on what one looks for in a TF toy).

Last I checked there are a ton of younger/new fans that are pretty over the moon about getting a budget mp-10 that, as a bonus, nets them a show accurate Orion Pax, so, there's that debunked

[william-james88]

I have the same beef with POTP Leader Prime as you have with Leader Optimal Optimus. I dont see the point of it existence when I have something better for all its components. The only difference here is the transformation, how you get from one form to the next. But the final products, the modes, are all kinda redundant compared to other toys we own. I guess Hasbro is hoping we find the journey more rewarding than the destination (which does have a point, depending on what one looks for in a TF toy).

Last I checked there are a ton of younger/new fans that are pretty over the moon about getting a budget mp-10 that, as a bonus, nets them a show accurate Orion Pax, so, there's that debunked

But the same thing could be said about younger/new fans getting an Optimal Optimus, so that argument cancels itself out.

[Sabrblade]

Yeesh, butt munky:

[Rodimus Prime]

I may be way too late with this one, but I don't know so I will ask. Has it been announced which Pretender shells will go with the 12 Prime Masters? So far we got only 3, and 2 more at NYCC, if I saw correctly. That leaves 7 more to go. Is Onyx Prime 1 of the 12, or is he the 13th?

[Jelze Bunnycat]

I may be way too late with this one, but I don't know so I will ask. Has it been announced which Pretender shells will go with the 12 Prime Masters? So far we got only 3, and 2 more at NYCC, if I saw correctly. That leaves 7 more to go. Is Onyx Prime 1 of the 12, or is he the 13th?

So far we have 8 out of 12:

Metalhawk: Vector Prime
Cloudburst: Micronus
Skullgrin: Liege Maximo

Submarauder: Alchemist Prime
Landmine: Alpha Trion (Metalhawk retool)

Octopunch: Solus Prime
Bomb-Burst: Megatronus (Skullgrin retool)
Bludgeon: Quintus Prime

Onyx Prime, Prima, Amalgamous Prime and Nexus Prime have no Shell assigned yet because they haven't been officially revealed. However, except for Onyx Prime, one may use the Waverider shell, a retool of Cloudburst revealed via Legends Grand Maximus. That one should match Micronus in sculpting.

[primalxconvoy]

I asked the Takara staff about Optimus Primal; he said that the figure DOESN'T have a ground attack mode, only gorilla, robot and jet mode.

[Burn]

I asked the Takara staff about Optimus Primal; he said that the figure DOESN'T have a ground attack mode, only gorilla, robot and jet mode.

So realistically, the original version is already better.

[primalxconvoy]

I asked the Takara staff about Optimus Primal; he said that the figure DOESN'T have a ground attack mode, only gorilla, robot and jet mode.

So realistically, the original version is already better.

Possibly. In still going to get this version and the inevitable Primal Prime version. It's my jam.

[Burn]

I asked the Takara staff about Optimus Primal; he said that the figure DOESN'T have a ground attack mode, only gorilla, robot and jet mode.

So realistically, the original version is already better.

Possibly. In still going to get this version and the inevitable Primal Prime version. It's my jam.

I'd like to get him, just like I wanted to get Generations Rattrap, Waspinator, Optimus Primal, Megatron and Rhinox, which I did, only to find I actually preferred the originals.

Said it before, will keep saying it, those original Beast Wars figures are really hard to beat.

[primalxconvoy]

I asked the Takara staff about Optimus Primal; he said that the figure DOESN'T have a ground attack mode, only gorilla, robot and jet mode.

So realistically, the original version is already better.

Possibly. In still going to get this version and the inevitable Primal Prime version. It's my jam.

I'd like to get him, just like I wanted to get Generations Rattrap, Waspinator, Optimus Primal, Megatron and Rhinox, which I did, only to find I actually preferred the originals.

Said it before, will keep saying it, those original Beast Wars figures are really hard to beat.

The Perfect Event version should be good enough for you. I love my version.

[Burn]

I asked the Takara staff about Optimus Primal; he said that the figure DOESN'T have a ground attack mode, only gorilla, robot and jet mode.

So realistically, the original version is already better.

Possibly. In still going to get this version and the inevitable Primal Prime version. It's my jam.

I'd like to get him, just like I wanted to get Generations Rattrap, Waspinator, Optimus Primal, Megatron and Rhinox, which I did, only to find I actually preferred the originals.

Said it before, will keep saying it, those original Beast Wars figures are really hard to beat.

The Perfect Event version should be good enough for you. I love my version.

Good for you. But you've been told on multiple occasions that 3P discussion belong in the 3P forums.

[Albatross250]

I expect different paint types for Primal in the version

lol, prepare to be dissapointed

Already disappointed, no TRUKK MODE

[primalxconvoy]

I asked the Takara staff about Optimus Primal; he said that the figure DOESN'T have a ground attack mode, only gorilla, robot and jet mode.

So realistically, the original version is already better.

Possibly. In still going to get this version and the inevitable Primal Prime version. It's my jam.

I'd like to get him, just like I wanted to get Generations Rattrap, Waspinator, Optimus Primal, Megatron and Rhinox, which I did, only to find I actually preferred the originals.

Said it before, will keep saying it, those original Beast Wars figures are really hard to beat.

The Perfect Event version should be good enough for you. I love my version.

Good for you. But you've been told on multiple occasions that 3P discussion belong in the 3P forums.

Technically, Burn, the original BW figure, which you mentioned in this thread, isn't POTP either, so we're even stevens.

[primalxconvoy]

I expect different paint types for Primal in the version

lol, prepare to be dissapointed

Already disappointed, no TRUKK MODE

MUNKY, NOT TRUKK!

I REALLY hope I'm wrong on this, though.