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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby MadProject » Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:54 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:I thought his Takara Unite Warriors release was supposed to be his masterpiece toy ;) then again that was before mp-44 and the new drive to be completely toon accurate as possible



If I'm right, they mentioned about using some ideas they had for an eventual MP-Devastator for the UW.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:09 pm

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MadProject wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:I thought his Takara Unite Warriors release was supposed to be his masterpiece toy ;) then again that was before mp-44 and the new drive to be completely toon accurate as possible



If I'm right, they mentioned about using some ideas they had for an eventual MP-Devastator for the UW.
Hasui had design ideas for a potential MP Devastator and used those ideas in designing UW Devastator, as it was determined that UW Devastator would probably be the closest opportunity Hasui would get in actually making a MP Devastator.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby MadProject » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:38 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:
MadProject wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:I thought his Takara Unite Warriors release was supposed to be his masterpiece toy ;) then again that was before mp-44 and the new drive to be completely toon accurate as possible



If I'm right, they mentioned about using some ideas they had for an eventual MP-Devastator for the UW.
Hasui had design ideas for a potential MP Devastator and used those ideas in designing UW Devastator, as it was determined that UW Devastator would probably be the closest opportunity Hasui would get in actually making a MP Devastator.


Do you think he meant that as "I probably won't be working here anymore by the time Takara will design a MP Devastator" or as "it's basically impossible that we'll see a MP Devastator due the costs of producing it"?
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:45 pm

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MadProject wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
MadProject wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:I thought his Takara Unite Warriors release was supposed to be his masterpiece toy ;) then again that was before mp-44 and the new drive to be completely toon accurate as possible



If I'm right, they mentioned about using some ideas they had for an eventual MP-Devastator for the UW.
Hasui had design ideas for a potential MP Devastator and used those ideas in designing UW Devastator, as it was determined that UW Devastator would probably be the closest opportunity Hasui would get in actually making a MP Devastator.


Do you think he meant that as "I probably won't be working here anymore by the time Takara will design a MP Devastator" or as "it's basically impossible that we'll see a MP Devastator due the costs of producing it"?
It was probably "This is the closest we may ever get to actually making a MP Devastator, so I better make the most of this opportunity to make this UW Devastator as close to a reasonable stand-in for a legit MP Devastator."
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:25 pm

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That is also why they would (theoretically) use Devastator and NOT a Scramble City Gestalt as the first MP. It requires a bit more engineering than to have a specific bot for a given limb. Which would mean a lot more work for MP standard. To be honest I've never really seen the merit in Scramble City Combiners. The limbs are interchangeable but they typically only look decent with certain bots in certain places anyway. So the element of "choice" is ultimately superfluous.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:51 pm

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I think had the idea gone ahead in diaclone the colour schemes would have been crazy, though strictly speaking the idea of having spare limbs or the ability to use other combiner limbs has merit M, as it means that one fatality won't cripple the whole team.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:03 pm

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I think the original intention of the gimmick in Jizai Gattai was to allow for kids to mix and match their own combinations for variety and imagination, rather than strictly grouping together all of the limbs and torsos into assigned unit. Sure, they probably still would have been for marketing purposes, but I would imagine that the intent was to encourage kids to also mix and match limbs and torsos as though variety was the main selling point gimmick.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:11 pm

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Indeed. But some bots clearly look better as a leg than an arm and vice-versa. So the mix and match gimmick was purely a marketing one. For all the talk of 'variety' I'd imagine most people probably ended with the exact same combination as the fan next to them.

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Piranacon being a good example of that.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:22 pm

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While he had the gimmick, Piranacon, wasn't part of the original line-up for Jizai Gattai.
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Transformers: Masterpiece MP-49 Black Convoy Listed

Postby Bounti76 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:49 pm

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Thanks to eagle-eyed Seibertronian Bucky, we have some very interesting news to report. As can be gathered by the title of this story, there has been a listing created for the previously unannounced MP-49, which site sponsor BBTS has as Black Convoy! It's fairly safe to assume that this figure will be a "Nemesis Prime" recolor of MP-44 (aka Convoy/Optimus Prime 3.0) in his traditional black, teal, and red colors. The previous Black Convoy Masterpiece figure is shown below.


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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:53 pm

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I'm sceptical about it, because it has a real number. The Prime redeco/Nemesis MP is typically MP-10B, for example. So this one would naturally be MP-44B, not its own number.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby ZeroWolf » Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:58 pm

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Unless they gave it its own number so that something else could have the number 50 slot
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby angtre » Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:23 pm

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Maybe it'll be a different mold of some sort?

A RiD Scourge-inspired one perhaps, maybe with a different trailer?
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:23 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I'm sceptical about it, because it has a real number. The Prime redeco/Nemesis MP is typically MP-10B, for example. So this one would naturally be MP-44B, not its own number.
I'd normally agree, but MP-38 kinda threw any and all rationalization for the ID number system out the window.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Ironhidensh » Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:43 pm

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I'd be almost willing to bet money its just a repaint. The number system means absolute jack **** to Takara, so never assign any meaning to it.

On the plus side, for those of you (justifiably) turned off by the price, maybe this one will not come with a trailer and all the accessories, and thus be a $100 or so cheaper?
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:21 pm

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Ironhidensh wrote:I'd be almost willing to bet money its just a repaint. The number system means absolute jack **** to Takara, so never assign any meaning to it.

On the plus side, for those of you (justifiably) turned off by the price, maybe this one will not come with a trailer and all the accessories, and thus be a $100 or so cheaper?

I would like a MP-44 Nemesis Prime that have NO trailer nor extra bits appart the axe and the gun. Then make it 50% cheaper and you get a sale.
However, maybe Takara will troll us by making him a full set that is DOUBLE the normal price because it will be a something-or-other exclusive.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Wireless_Phantom » Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:35 pm

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Ironhidensh wrote:I'd be almost willing to bet money its just a repaint. The number system means absolute jack **** to Takara, so never assign any meaning to it.

On the plus side, for those of you (justifiably) turned off by the price, maybe this one will not come with a trailer and all the accessories, and thus be a $100 or so cheaper?

I would like a MP-44 Nemesis Prime that have NO trailer nor extra bits appart the axe and the gun. Then make it 50% cheaper and you get a sale.
However, maybe Takara will troll us by making him a full set that is DOUBLE the normal price because it will be a something-or-other exclusive.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't MP10B the same price as MP10 without the trailer and stuff?
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Deathsaurus1 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:45 pm

Speculating about this figure having toy inspired details vs no-44’s took aesthetics
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Mindmaster » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:51 pm

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Nice, but it’s most likely gunna be hella expensive even with half the gear gone though...
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:56 pm

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what if, hear me out, what if it isn't an Optimus, but rather a shadow Lio Convoy?
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:40 pm

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Wireless_Phantom wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't MP10B the same price as MP10 without the trailer and stuff?


Such shenanigans wouldn't surprise me.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Mindmaster » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:49 pm

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D-Maximal_Primal wrote:what if, hear me out, what if it isn't an Optimus, but rather a shadow Lio Convoy?


Wouldn’t it be called Galvaconvoy and not Black Convoy? Or is there a Nemesis themed Lio Convoy I’m not aware of?
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:55 pm

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Mindmaster wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:what if, hear me out, what if it isn't an Optimus, but rather a shadow Lio Convoy?


Wouldn’t it be called Galvaconvoy and not Black Convoy? Or is there a Nemesis themed Lio Convoy I’m not aware of?

There was a shadow fully black Lio convoy in the show, he was an actual character too, all the maximals had an episode where dark dopplegangers of them were made and existed
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Mindmaster » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:57 pm

Motto: "For I have dipped my hands in muddied waters, and, withdrawing them, find 'tis better to be a commander than a common man!"
Weapon: Dark Saber Sword
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
Mindmaster wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:what if, hear me out, what if it isn't an Optimus, but rather a shadow Lio Convoy?


Wouldn’t it be called Galvaconvoy and not Black Convoy? Or is there a Nemesis themed Lio Convoy I’m not aware of?

There was a shadow fully black Lio convoy in the show, he was an actual character too, all the maximals had an episode where dark dopplegangers of them were made and existed


Figured as much, anything Japanese Beast Wars is far beyond my knowledge apart from the Convoys. #-o
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:43 pm

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Mindmaster wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
Mindmaster wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:what if, hear me out, what if it isn't an Optimus, but rather a shadow Lio Convoy?


Wouldn’t it be called Galvaconvoy and not Black Convoy? Or is there a Nemesis themed Lio Convoy I’m not aware of?

There was a shadow fully black Lio convoy in the show, he was an actual character too, all the maximals had an episode where dark dopplegangers of them were made and existed


Figured as much, anything Japanese Beast Wars is far beyond my knowledge apart from the Convoys. #-o
His name was "Copy Convoy", so this wouldn't be that.
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