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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby ScottyP » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:46 pm

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Wireless_Phantom wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't MP10B the same price as MP10 without the trailer and stuff?
No, it just got that way on the secondary market before being reissued. MP-10B was ~140, MP-10 with trailer and all that was ~200-220 back then. Later reissues of both were some % less expensive which definitely doesn't help the recollection of how much they were.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I'm sceptical about it, because it has a real number. The Prime redeco/Nemesis MP is typically MP-10B, for example. So this one would naturally be MP-44B, not its own number.
Attempting to figure out "rules" or guidelines for MP numbering schemes is the path to madness :michaelbay:
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby wilcosu35 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:01 pm

So the next one is a black MP-44? Cool for those who want it. I'll be keeping my money in my pocket.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby First-Aid » Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:23 pm

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If I'm not mistaken, Convoy/Optimus Prime variants, repaints, remolds, and reissues make up approximately 94.225% of the Masterpiece line... >:oP >:oP

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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby william-james88 » Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:07 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I'm sceptical about it, because it has a real number. The Prime redeco/Nemesis MP is typically MP-10B, for example. So this one would naturally be MP-44B, not its own number.


I was sure we had given up on the numbers making sense. They don't. Since Takara clearly doesn't care about the numbers, we shouldn't either.

Also, in my usual self I will say this, anyone expecting more than a standard redeco will be dissapointed.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:28 pm

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Yet are the Nemesis redecos really so popular to warrant their own official number? How well are HasTak expecting this to sell alongside the other original figures of the line, given MP-44 was overpriced to begin with??
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:34 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yet are the Nemesis redecos really so popular to warrant their own official number? How well are HasTak expecting this to sell alongside the other original figures of the line, given MP-44 was overpriced to begin with??


Again, the number itself has no real significance. At best it denotes either retooling or just straight redeco with new accessories, like these guys:

MP-31 Delta Magnus
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:46 pm

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The number in itself, unlike the others mentioned, bears precedent. Every single Nemesis Prime in the MP line to date has been a 'B' listing of a corresponding Prime. All three of them:

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What makes this one so special, over its predecessors? Aside from HasTak trying to fleece the fanbase with the same extortionate mold: but in black
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:15 pm

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The MP figures that get their own numbers are mass retail figures. Therefore, this Black Convoy will most likely be a mass retail figure.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby william-james88 » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:48 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:What makes this one so special, over its predecessors?

Probably, it's non exclusive status.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby ZeroWolf » Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:07 am

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So then, this could be the first mass retail Nemesis Prime then?
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:05 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:So then, this could be the first mass retail Nemesis Prime then?
Armada Nemesis Prime was both a mass retail figure and the first Nemesis Prime ever.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:54 am

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This is likely going to be the First MP Nemesis Prime for mass retail and conveniently enough, the most expensive one.

Other than Scourge in Car Robots, is Nemesis IE Optimus Prime in a black deco, ever an actual character in ongoing fiction? I'd have thought this is kind of a hard sell, to general consumers, otherwise. Given his obviously high price point, without some kind of corresponding media, I can see this MP becoming a shelfwarmer.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby ZeroWolf » Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:27 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:So then, this could be the first mass retail Nemesis Prime then?
Armada Nemesis Prime was both a mass retail figure and the first Nemesis Prime ever.

I meant to say first mass retail MP release #-o
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby william-james88 » Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:59 pm

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Just curious, since Scourge is characterized as a black redeco of Optimus with teal highlights and red tinted windows, and Nemesis prime is characterized as a black redeco of Optimus with teal highlights and red tinted windows, what distinguishes the decos from one another as the basis for a toy?
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:12 pm

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william-james88 wrote:Just curious, since Scourge is characterized as a black redeco of Optimus with teal highlights and red tinted windows, and Nemesis prime is characterized as a black redeco of Optimus with teal highlights and red tinted windows, what distinguishes the decos from one another as the basis for a toy?
I think the only reason Scourge stands out as a unique character with people is a combination of two factors: A) He was given his own unique name before the standard "Nemesis Prime" name came about, and B) he's the only version of the concept that exists as a fully fleshed out character, making people see him in a different light.

There may also be a third factor, in that many Nemesis Primes/Black Convoys are associated with Unicron, while Scourge has never been (though, Grand Scourge is, but he's a whole different confusing discussion).

In all honesty, if the name "Nemesis Prime" had existed at the time that Car Robots was being turned into Robots in Disguise, Scourge very likely would have been named "Nemesis Prime" instead, with the only reason that he wasn't being that the name simply didn't yet exist until it was conceived two years later during Armada.

Nowadays, "Black Convoy" and "Nemesis Prime" are equivalents of one another, and RiD 2001 Scourge was the first "Black Convoy". But since Scourge left such an impression with his fans, it might feel like a disservice to his legacy to retroactively rename him as just another Nemesis Prime.

Though, the "evil black and teal Optimus redeco" concept first originated with Copy Convoy in Beast Wars Second, while the "evil black Optimus redeco" in general all started with BotCon 1996 Onyx Primal (but he got retconned into being a Maximal by 1998, with a new online profile mentioning his defection from the Predacons to the Maximals after a falling out he had with the former).
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:15 pm

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Here's a thought: what if they made Black convoy MP-49 so Raiden could be MP-50?
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Nemesis Maximo » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:49 pm

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I mean maybe, but then why didn’t they make Prime v3 MP-45?

I’m in the camp that the numbers are arbitrary.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:51 pm

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Nemesis Maximo wrote:I mean maybe, but then why didn’t they make Prime v3 MP-45?

I’m in the camp that the numbers are arbitrary.

oh they usually are, but what if, in this one instance, it was on purpose?
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:55 pm

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Nemesis Maximo wrote:I mean maybe, but then why didn’t they make Prime v3 MP-45?
So that he could be released before Bumblebee, of course. We can't have Bee's first remake coming before Prime's second remake. :o) 8-} ;-)
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby ZeroWolf » Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:01 am

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D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Here's a thought: what if they made Black convoy MP-49 so Raiden could be MP-50?

I theorised this last week, but that was before I knew about Raiden making a comeback :lol: While I do believe the numbers to be ultimately meaningless outside of internal value (I.e. Which order they're supposed to be working on them) they may have made an exception for 50
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Ironhidensh » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:02 pm

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So, we haven’t had much news lately other than a hint at Rattrap, and train guy. Do you think that’s it next year? The six trainbots and maybe Ratrap? I think it’s gonna be a very bad year for MPs. Well, at least for me. Other than Railracer, I have zero interest in trainbots.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:12 pm

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Ironhidensh wrote:So, we haven’t had much news lately other than a hint at Rattrap, and train guy. Do you think that’s it next year? The six trainbots and maybe Ratrap? I think it’s gonna be a very bad year for MPs. Well, at least for me. Other than Railracer, I have zero interest in trainbots.

I'm expecting to see MPM Ratchet and Starscream at Toy Fair, but other than the Trainbots and maybe Rattrap, I expect what I just said to be this years lineup
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby william-james88 » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:27 pm

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Ironhidensh wrote:So, we haven’t had much news lately other than a hint at Rattrap, and train guy. Do you think that’s it next year? The six trainbots and maybe Ratrap? I think it’s gonna be a very bad year for MPs. Well, at least for me. Other than Railracer, I have zero interest in trainbots.

That is technically 6 G1 MPs and a Beast Wars mp plus a fee MPMs. Better than last year by comparison as far as G1 is concerned. I'm sure there will be a few more surprises though.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Ironhidensh » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:17 pm

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D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:So, we haven’t had much news lately other than a hint at Rattrap, and train guy. Do you think that’s it next year? The six trainbots and maybe Ratrap? I think it’s gonna be a very bad year for MPs. Well, at least for me. Other than Railracer, I have zero interest in trainbots.

I'm expecting to see MPM Ratchet and Starscream at Toy Fair, but other than the Trainbots and maybe Rattrap, I expect what I just said to be this years lineup


See, I dunno. There has been one hell of a long time since Jazz and Megatron were announced. Are we shire the line isn’t nixed? All the MPM figures have hit clearance, well, Jazz is a bit new.

I guess it looks really bleak to me because of Raider. I guess I’m just starved for news I want to hear, you know?
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