Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking Thread

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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Tue May 22, 2018 9:32 pm

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Wolfman Jake wrote:Fans just don't know what they really want.
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I think this is about as wrong as can be. The thoughts expressed about this set, both negative and positive, have been very clearly stated. I think the fans very much know whatnot we want, and for a lot of us, this isn't it. There are many who do want it.

I think fans know what they want today more than any period in the past.
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This, pretty much. The problem isn't fans not knowing what they want, it's fan opinion being heavily divided. Some people think that because he's made of equally sized robots that he's perfect. I'm of the opinion that making him out of equally sized robots is a bad idea that's doomed to fail; Feral Rex had a kinda small torso with bloated feet, and this Predaking is a huge pile of compromises for the admittedly interesting transformation scheme.

I know what I want in a Predaking, and this isn't it.
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This is exactly what I mean when I say "fans don't know what they want." It is super divisive, and not just in a "love it or hate it" sense. The "haters" all have completely different ideas about what would make the figure ideal for them, and frankly a lot of them want magic. A figure that is perfect in every way to their untenable ideal for less money than is reasonable in this market. We go through this almost every time too. There was much gnashing of teeth over the Devastator reveal, and now most people agree it's a must have, especially the Takara Unite Warriors release. Fans have VERY short memories about these things.

What gets me really about a lot of the naysayers on Predaking is the, frankly, delusional belief that the G1 version is somehow superior. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the only thing the G1 original figures have over the new Power of the Primes version is swords. These PotP figures have better engineering, articulation, and proportions (especially in the gestalt mode). The original had way "blockier" figures, with limited possibility. The combined form looked like it suffered from gigantism of the legs and arms. People are complaining about a skinny waist on this new PotP version!? That's the kind of insanity in the nitpicking that has made me really dismissive of a lot of the complaints this time around. They're just nonsensical.
Black Hat wrote:Wrong on all counts. I'm still thoroughly unimpressed with HasTak Devastator- even the UW version lacks articulation, is overly hollow, is awkwardly proportioned and is farcically out of scale with the other combiners. Predaking continues the trend of sacrificing quality and design (especially in the individual modes) in favour of sheer size.

The G1 version of Predaking isn't superior objectively, no, but that's because it was made over 30 years ago. And honestly, this newer version inherits a lot of the flaws from the original toy. The robots all being the same size means that in order to get a vaguely proportionate combined mode, the individuals suffered immensely (poor Headstrong and Tantrum...). The beast modes are just jokes that somehow manage to look dorkier than the G1 originals. No melee weapons (not even for Predaking himself). The combined mode has very weird proportions, notably his child-birthing hips and supermodel waist. The hands are hollowed out inarticulate blocks that are leagues less impressive than the ones on Unicron, and that's a 15 year old toy. Oh, and STICKERS.

Sure he has more articulation than the G1 figures but that isn't hard. Honestly, he looks like the worst Titan Hasbro has made thus far, and that's saying something. I think some people are determined to like him just because he exists and isn't an icky third party figure. It's not "Magic" to make a figure that doesn't suck (Abominus actually looks damn cool). It's application of common sense. Don't make him so big that in order to keep in budget you have to hollow him into oblivion. Make him bigger and bulkier than the average combiner, sure, but not THAT much bigger. If you must have him that big then you'll have to up the pricetag. And for the love of God, DON'T TRY AND MAKE A FIVE MEMBER COMBINER OUT OF EQUALLY SIZED FIGURES. IT WON'T WORK (See FOC Bruticus).

If you like it, that's fine. I question your taste, but fine. But don't tell people who aren't willing to settle for that...thing that they've got unrealistic expectations. I'm not asking for a 3 foot tall combiner with a billion custom-tooled steel parts, a perfect transformation, Figuarts-tier posing in all modes and automotive paint. But considering this is likely the only official Predaking we're gonna get for at least 5 years, I expect a bit more care put in.
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I didn't say you liked Titan Class Devastator. I said most did, and the majority of those who were upset when it was first revealed had to eat some serious crow later.

Transformers have been "hollow" for years now, and Predaking isn't even the worst example of such. The initial Fall of Cybertron toys hold that dishonor. And yes, it's a cost cutting measure to hollow out parts where able, because parents aren't going to buy their children a $300-$400 big "Megazord," certainly not on a whim, and likely not even for a big birthday or Xmas gift.

Predaking is big because he was always a bigger combiner than the other G1 combiner TOYS. Hasbro isn't as fussed about what characters looked like exactly in the old Sunbow cartoon. Their focus has always been on the original toys. Devastator was chosen to be big because he was considered special, being the first combiner in Transformers. The Contructicon alt modes are actually in relatively accurate scale with the deluxe car characters, by the way. None of the other combiners pay attention to scale at all either, not between teams and not even within teams. Deluxe sized jets, planes, shuttles, motorcycles, and even tanks create all sort of problems when you look at scale, whether realistic or even internally consistent in the cartoon, so that's your own little burden to shoulder if you think Devastator and Predaking are "farcically out of scale" with other contemporary combiners.

Stickers!? You're still made about stickers!? Guess you hate every Voyager and Leader figure Hasbro has put out for the past couple of years too. Yes, everyone wishes the stickers would go away, but they aren't any time soon, it seems. ALL Titan releases, starting with Metroplex, have relied on stickers, btw, so this is also not something new to PotP Predaking. It's not even new to ANY G1 Predaking as the original had stickers too. Even the special reissues, like Platinum Edition Predaking, had revised stickers instead of going for paint apps.

Honestly, I think you just don't like Transformers now. Things have been as they are for years now, and Predaking isn't turning the past five years or so on its ear. It's entirely consistent with everything Hasbro has been doing with their toys since Dark of the Moon and Fall of Cybertron. Just admit that you have a personal expectation that Hasbro can't realistically meet in this market and go have fun with your third party options.

Adding my 2-cents, enough already. I have to agree with Black Hat. The reason Hasbro initially “re-classed” all of the Transformer’s core characters, (Scout, Deluxe, Voyager, Leader, etc.,) was to give the brand a sense of uniformity and to appease longtime complaints regarding “scale comparison” issues. While I will concede Predaking and Devastator were 2 of the biggest GestaltsNOT COMBINERS- of the series, AND that being comprised of voyager vs. deluxe figures is warranted, statistically speaking most who were initially upset with Devestator on its reveal are still upset. :-( And, if by “eat some serious crow later” you are referring to those that went ahead and purchased the set later? They did it because they didn’t have the $300-$600 available to purchase a better alternative; (i.e. Generation Toy’s Gravity Builder, TFC’s Hercules, etc.) -the former being composed of Voyager-class figures, the latter Deluxe-ish. I bit the bullet and acquired the Gravity Builder for just under $500, but let me tell you… it was one of the best investments I ever made. I also snagged a G2 coloration KO in the Deluxe-class for $33. It scales with other CW Gestalts and packs a surprising level of articulation per figure.
I admit Predaking is not as lame as Devastator, and the more “in-hand” photos the are released the less critical I am. However, there is a valid concern surrounding the haphazard engineering; in particular the whole, “I’m not a leg, I’m a backpack,” kibble on Tantrum and HorriBull. :BANG_HEAD: Furthermore, the complaints about scaling are valid. If TAKBRO is going to make Devastator and Predaking out Voyager-class figures, why not Volcanus? Don’t tell me making the Dinobots out of Deluxe’s and a Voyager is acceptable “artistic liberty.” Next someone will be trying to sell the idea of a Scout-Class Scorponok with a Titan-Master head as acceptable. #-o You can’t convince me that all of TAKBRO’s legendary designers couldn’t make Volcanus out of 2 Leader-class and 3 Voyagers; give me a pencil and paper and even I could do that.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed May 23, 2018 12:49 am

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Fenir@ sorry mate but I can't see that decision being reversed any time soon, I know that many would love for the takara differences to return but since takara agreed to it so easily, it would take a lot (and I mean a lot, like 80%) of fan support to change. There is some good news as maybe with this joint approach, the problems that people find with the hasbro releases could be improved starting with the next couple of toy lines. A pessimistic view would be that takara no longer care about tf that much and rather spend the extra money on their fully owned brands like diabattles or the one about the transforming trains. Businesses do tend to go to where the money is after all.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking Thread

Postby frogbat » Wed May 23, 2018 3:13 am

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I'll definitely be getting him. Is he perfect? Nowhere near. But he's a very good compromise especially in combined form. He's missing swords and knuckle dusters... but yeah I think a lot of the compromises make sense and work in the toy's service.

I'd have preferred the dinobots to be voyagers and sludge a leader figure but it still makes lots of sense that devastator be larger than the other combiners and likewise predaking. Also, re the price point and whether to buy it immediately or when it's offered on discount..

It's always a gamble. The prices of tf figures can be a bit hard to predict. I'd rather buy it at a full price (if reasonable for the amount of toy) rather than wait hoping that it goes down and get bitten with a higher price later. Also, besides some misgivings etc I appreciate a lot of what hasbro does

What I do dislike is when they have multiple releases planned with different upgrades, I'd like to choose before hand... Either that or they should start releasing accessory upgrade packs or officially license 3d print designs.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking Thread

Postby Emerje » Wed May 23, 2018 6:30 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:Designs like that are my bread and butter :lol: though what series is the middle one from :-?

I like them too for whatever reason. Maybe because it usually implies powerful upper body strength.

The middle one is Chamber from Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet. He's piloted, but also has an advanced AI that allows him to be autonomous at times. The show isn't too far off from what it would be like if a Gundam crashed landed into the movie Water World.

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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed May 23, 2018 8:53 am

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Thanks Emerje, I'd heard of that series but never got round to watching it.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking Thread

Postby o.supreme » Wed May 23, 2018 9:43 am

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Lore Keeper wrote:The configuration of the PotP Predaking limbs appear to be based on his fictional appearances. In fact, every single picture I see of Predaking in various cartoons and art depict him in this way.


For sure. I had all those pics on my screen, including about half a dozen toy pics were he's transformed all different ways. I guess Predaking stands out in that he was one the animators didn't follow the toy instructions for combination. Even "The Ark" compendium of animation designs (for which many of the pics from Marvels Transformers Universe were taken) have the legs backawards.

Keep in mind, I'm not saying all this is bad, or diminishes my thought of purchasing the PotP toy. I just find it fascinating, the lack of consistency among this one group. ;)
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High Quality In Hand Images of Power of the Primes Predaking and Individual Predacons

Postby william-james88 » Wed May 23, 2018 11:59 am

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Several fans in Asia now have Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking now in hand. The Photo Vault Facebook page has been updated with plenty of shots of Predaking along with the individual Preadacons Razorclaw, Tantrum, Headstrong, Rampage and Divebomb in both their beast modes and robot modes.

Now these shots will look better than what we have seen before simply thanks to the black background which hides the back kibble on Tantrum and Headstrong. We also get the best look yet at Rampage's face which does indeed have some paint. We also get a look at the poster which comes with Predaking. As you can see from the images of Predaking himself, he is extreamly poseable, maybe more so than any previous release of the character, official or not. Let me us know if you agree!

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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking Thread

Postby Sigma Magnus » Wed May 23, 2018 12:05 pm

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Not looking too bad, I might end up getting these if I have the chance! Gonna need some 3P weapon upgrades, but that's fine by me.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking Thread

Postby Node » Wed May 23, 2018 12:44 pm

Great! Thanks for the high quality images.... Who's more-dumb-than-sneaky idea was it to make the background black. I realize this isn't Hasbro sharing the images, but come on.

Its a little late in the game to hide the baggage so I'm not sure if they're trying to sway some undecided buyers on this or someone just didn't want to show the chunky bois trunk junk on their fackebook?

They look good here, but at this point I want just to see everything clearly.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking Thread

Postby bluecatcinema » Wed May 23, 2018 1:04 pm

Some great pics there.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking Thread

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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking Thread

Postby gothsaurus » Wed May 23, 2018 1:18 pm

I hope/wish you can detach the big ole legs. That would make all of this way better. You know, like the feet and wings. Pop those dudes right off. Come on Hasbro. You know it would be the only thing to make these individual robot modes right with the world.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking Thread

Postby jtanimator » Wed May 23, 2018 2:13 pm

Combined mode looks incredible. But honestly, it's like they didn't even try with the transformations of the individual components. ESPECIALLY Divebomb, who could've been one of the best of the bunch. Those are some SERIOUSLY oversimplified transformations, even if they were deluxe classes, LET ALONE for a bunch of voyagers!
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed May 23, 2018 2:55 pm

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I love how posable he is and divebomb looks great stood up but the black back drop is hiding a lot like what's going on with headstrong's feet, it looks like it's barely connected to the leg.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking Thread

Postby Flashwave » Wed May 23, 2018 3:08 pm

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The More I see of these guys, the more I warm up to them. They aren't perfect by any means, the Thigh Mohawks being the most screamingly obvious, and while I would like to have gotten more of a Linebacker Predaking, I can't wait to have him even as he is.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking Thread

Postby SpikeyTigertron » Wed May 23, 2018 3:51 pm

I just don’t think Predaking was going to catch a break with the fandom... the “easiest” fix would have been to make his abs/waist/hips/thighs a separate stand alone unit along with his hands/feet aka G1 Devastator. But then we would have complained he was a parts forming cheater-mccheat-face
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking Thread

Postby Mykltron » Wed May 23, 2018 4:21 pm

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Wow, I would have adored these figures 30 years ago.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Wed May 23, 2018 4:25 pm

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I'll be skipping on pretty much all the PotP toys except the Pretenders. But one that I can't miss is that Predaking. :APPLAUSE:
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed May 23, 2018 5:10 pm

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SpikeyTigertron wrote:I just don’t think Predaking was going to catch a break with the fandom... the “easiest” fix would have been to make his abs/waist/hips/thighs a separate stand alone unit along with his hands/feet aka G1 Devastator. But then we would have complained he was a parts forming cheater-mccheat-face

No offence but you seem to be taking some of the other users criticisms personally. Just because others don't like these figures shouldn't have an effect on if you like them or not.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking Thread

Postby Burn » Wed May 23, 2018 5:26 pm

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Flashwave wrote:The More I see of these guys, the more I warm up to them.

Same. I wasn't impressed at first but they/he has definitely grown on me.

Plus it's a modern release of an old figure/set so it's kind of an automatic buy for me anyway. But I may cave to my "nah, not interested in 3P mate!" attitude depending on what weapon upgrades that come out.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking Thread

Postby fenrir72 » Wed May 23, 2018 5:32 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:Well that was a read...

Fenir@ sorry mate but I can't see that decision being reversed any time soon, I know that many would love for the takara differences to return but since takara agreed to it so easily, it would take a lot (and I mean a lot, like 80%) of fan support to change. There is some good news as maybe with this joint approach, the problems that people find with the hasbro releases could be improved starting with the next couple of toy lines. A pessimistic view would be that takara no longer care about tf that much and rather spend the extra money on their fully owned brands like diabattles or the one about the transforming trains. Businesses do tend to go to where the money is after all.


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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking Thread

Postby fenrir72 » Wed May 23, 2018 5:43 pm

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He needs them spike knuckles badly! 8-)

Hopefully some 3rd party will rectify this ( lacking the sword isn't too big an issue but again, another symptom of the unification business model, Fortmax JP had his sword while Hbs did not (not counting on the Asian/SDCC versions of course).

But that Ironman kickbutt pose is really Awesomesauce. Accept it, you'll be buying him for the Pking mode(same as Devs). Given how the former is set up, the built in no kibble setup is sure to rear it's ugly head. At least with Devs, Longhaul (the cuddliest under appreciated psychopath engineer took most of the slack).

Should Hb/Takara still continue with the no kibble design or go back to the original part connecting combination set up? Only ones left would be KingPoseidon, Landcross,Roadcaesar, Dinoking and Leokaiser(if they try to do him and the others right)
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking Thread

Postby SpikeyTigertron » Wed May 23, 2018 6:02 pm

fenrir72 wrote:But that Ironman kickbutt pose is really Awesomesauce. Accept it, you'll be buying him for the Pking mode(same as Devs). Given how the former is set up, the built in no kibble setup is sure to rear it's ugly head. At least with Devs, Longhaul (the cuddliest under appreciated psychopath engineer took most of the slack).

Should Hb/Takara still continue with the no kibble design or go back to the original part connecting combination set up? Only ones left would be KingPoseidon, Landcross,Roadcaesar, Dinoking and Leokaiser(if they try to do him and the others right)


I do think that Star Saber (riffing off of the Leader evolution) and throw in Leo Kaiser would be an interesting pull. But since the unification... idk... did Hasbro ever acknowledge God Bomber from Unite Warriors?

It's interesting you mention the kneeling/crouching pose. Maybe it's just the angle... but it actually looks *really* good. Most of the time, when I try to do that with your average CW/PotP combiner... it just doesn't *quite* work out. I think I got Victorion (with the help of her sword) into something half decent.... One thing I haven't quite figured out with Headstrong and Tantrum is.... do the legs fold up under the beast modes with the connectors *under* the heads? If they do... that's completely backwards from their orientation in combined mode. Maybe the mounting plates under the beast heads just do a good job of evoking the combiner hip?
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking Thread

Postby SpikeyTigertron » Wed May 23, 2018 6:08 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:
SpikeyTigertron wrote:I just don’t think Predaking was going to catch a break with the fandom... the “easiest” fix would have been to make his abs/waist/hips/thighs a separate stand alone unit along with his hands/feet aka G1 Devastator. But then we would have complained he was a parts forming cheater-mccheat-face

No offence but you seem to be taking some of the other users criticisms personally. Just because others don't like these figures shouldn't have an effect on if you like them or not.



I might be getting burned out with some of the negativity in some of my other fandom forums, and it might be bleeding over here. So thanks for checking me on that. I'll try to be more mindful. But you're right at the end of the day. Whether I enjoy Predaking (and I intend do) really doesn't matter at all if *anyone* else buys him.


In many ways I'm just happy to be seeing an official new version at all. I'd always wanted the original growing up (eventually got the re-release) and as much as I appreciate the G1 for what it is.... in a post Beast Wars world (ball joints) it makes it hard to enjoy the older figures from an interaction standpoint.


I suppose another reason why I'm fearful of (sometimes quite valid) critisims with Transformers... I've seen the brand die off twice in my lifetime, combined with Toys R Us folding, cost-cutting/design choices with much of the other action figure liness (dropping to *basic* articuation) I wonder if sometime toys are a bit of a dying breed.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Predaking Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Wed May 23, 2018 6:55 pm

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Now see, those images finally actually made the individuals look pretty ok! Predaking is the main mode here, but at least there seems to be a bit more going on with the individuals than I initially thought.

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