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Re: Transformers Studio Series Discussion (New 2018 Movie Line)

Postby ZeroWolf » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:55 am

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Actar wrote:Alrighty! Just got my hands on the latest SS Voyagers and Leaders. However, the one that has won me over the most is Jetfire.

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So, I was rather hesitant and critical about Jetfire when I first saw him, but after having him in hand for a day, I'm absolutely convinced. Jetfire is everything I wanted in the original Leader (albeit in a smaller package). Overall, he's much easier to transform than the previous Leader and everything but those two central panels that tab into the shoulders and engines hold together solidly. I'd even argue that the kibble is much better on this one.

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While the fit and finish are subpar as per other figures in the Studio Series line, the bot mode is excellent. The transformation is really fun, smooth and impressive. I love how the jet mode folds in on itself multiple times to create the bulk of the body and I adore the fact that the thighs are actually formed from the jet mode engines unlike the previous Leader (they even sit accurately within the nacelle!). I'm still not that big of a fan of the faux cockpit head, but after knowing that Jetfire accurately parts-forms to combine with Optimus, it softens the blow somewhat.

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Speaking of which, yes! Jetfire does indeed combine with SS Voyager Prime!

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...and it's amazing. Thank heavens they decided to go with parts-forming. Not only is it accurate to the movie, the combination gimmick does not take away from either figure much at all. The locks that secure Jetfire's limbs together when he's his own figure are brilliant. It's a clip system that holds all the parts together in bot/jet mode solidly but is still easy enough to disconnect for parts-forming when needed. In Jet Power Prime mode, everything is just as solid, though I'm slightly worried that Prime's leg joints (hip and knees) will not hold up over time as they aren't ratcheted. As for now, they're rock solid and almost too tight for when posing him alone. While the articulation in combined mode is mostly unhindered, it kinda sucks that the ankle tilts are opposite as Jetfire's legs are reversed for the combination.

Note that the instructions are utter garbage. Not only does it not tell you how to transform the cannon at all, but you can tweak the figure a little to get it looking much, much better. For instance, the bar behind Prime's head can be angled back. This not only tidies up the silhouette, but it also holds the rear wings/fins in place. Speaking of those fins, as can be seen from the above pictures, they can also be splayed open for a far more dynamic and movie-accurate look. It's a pretty nice touch that Prime's back kibble form secondary fins.

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For the cannon, there is indeed a proper way to transform it. Upon close examination, the arms and flaps both have places to peg into.

All in all, thus far, Jetfire is my undisputed favorite Studio Series figure. So poseable, so much more accurate than the previous Leader figure and so full of character! All that on top of a much-improved combining gimmick! Now I only wished that they had put more effort into the Voyager Prime. I still don't get the necessity for the inaccurate leg transformation and the faux chest. In addition to being inaccurate, in my opinion, it's needlessly complex and fiddly for a Movie Prime and is as light as a feather. If you ask me, I'd only buy Prime solely to maximize Jetfire's playability. That's how great Jetfire is. (^o^)

This is a great review! Thank you for taking the time to do it :)
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Re: Transformers Studio Series Discussion (New 2018 Movie Line)

Postby Hellscream9999 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:26 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:Very nice review! Love the pictures! ;)^

Initially I was going to pass on this figure, as I'm in the minority of those who like the original leader. But since I already have SS Prime, I might as well get Jetfire, if only for the combination.

Just so you know, he only combines with the upcoming ss prime as far as I know
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Re: Transformers Studio Series Discussion (New 2018 Movie Line)

Postby SpikeyTigertron » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:08 am

Hellscream9999 wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:Very nice review! Love the pictures! ;)^

Initially I was going to pass on this figure, as I'm in the minority of those who like the original leader. But since I already have SS Prime, I might as well get Jetfire, if only for the combination.

Just so you know, he only combines with the upcoming ss prime as far as I know


I'm not sure if the new voyager comes with the wrists swords though.... so like Starscream… you need both ;)
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Re: Transformers Studio Series Discussion (New 2018 Movie Line)

Postby SpikeyTigertron » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:16 am

(I know its old news but for the sake of discussion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO7Te_myti8) Man... so much part swapping and repainting wants between the two of them....To a certain degree, and Megatron and Starscream re-enforced this.... can't they "get it right" the *first* time for a "definitive" figure. I feel like if Hasbro and Takara weren't doing the same run.... Takara would be touching up/full accessorizing their releases.... But it's a brave new world.

With all the Siege goodness and the new Diaclone rabbit hole i've fallen it (send help!) I try to stay away from studio series... but the Bumblee movie was soo good I kinda want Shatter and Dropkick (car versions) and I'm really curious about that Devastator.
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Re: Transformers Studio Series Discussion (New 2018 Movie Line)

Postby SpikeyTigertron » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:18 am

I still think Jetfire's face is TOO big... but I guess he's also practically doubled over. Does it "scale" or at least make sense if you were to "stand" him up?
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Re: Transformers Studio Series Discussion (New 2018 Movie Line)

Postby william-james88 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:37 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:Very nice review! Love the pictures! ;)^

Initially I was going to pass on this figure, as I'm in the minority of those who like the original leader. But since I already have SS Prime, I might as well get Jetfire, if only for the combination.

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Re: Transformers Studio Series Discussion (New 2018 Movie Line)

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:50 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:Very nice review! Love the pictures! ;)^

Initially I was going to pass on this figure, as I'm in the minority of those who like the original leader. But since I already have SS Prime, I might as well get Jetfire, if only for the combination.

You got the new 2019 ss prime? How?
No, I didn't. I mixed up the new Prime with the one that already came out.
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Re: Transformers Studio Series Discussion (New 2018 Movie Line)

Postby o.supreme » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:05 am

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Actar wrote:Alrighty! Just got my hands on the latest SS Voyagers and Leaders. However, the one that has won me over the most is Jetfire....

Speaking of which, yes! Jetfire does indeed combine with SS Voyager Prime!

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So..Just to confirm (because I'm not familiar enough with some of these toys to recognize them on their own)...

Are these pics showing Jetfire combined with the previous SS-05 Optimus Prime?, Or is this the new SS-32 (Movie 1) Optimus?

That would be awesome if they made it so Jetfire could work with both.
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Re: Transformers Studio Series Discussion (New 2018 Movie Line)

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:09 am

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Actar wrote:Alrighty! Just got my hands on the latest SS Voyagers and Leaders. However, the one that has won me over the most is Jetfire....

Speaking of which, yes! Jetfire does indeed combine with SS Voyager Prime!

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So..Just to confirm (because I'm not familiar enough with some of these toys to recognize them on their own)...

Are these pics showing Jetfire combined with the previous SS-05 Optimus Prime?, Or is this the new SS-32 (Movie 1) Optimus?

That would be awesome if they made it so Jetfire could work with both.
That's the newer Optimus. Bright red and correct-looking chest. The older one had dark red and an inaccurate-looking chest.
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Re: Transformers Studio Series Discussion (New 2018 Movie Line)

Postby Overcracker » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:12 am

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Actar wrote:Alrighty! Just got my hands on the latest SS Voyagers and Leaders. However, the one that has won me over the most is Jetfire....

Speaking of which, yes! Jetfire does indeed combine with SS Voyager Prime!

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So..Just to confirm (because I'm not familiar enough with some of these toys to recognize them on their own)...

Are these pics showing Jetfire combined with the previous SS-05 Optimus Prime?, Or is this the new SS-32 (Movie 1) Optimus?

That would be awesome if they made it so Jetfire could work with both.



It's the new SS-32 Prime. The old SS-05 Prime has a completely different torso, and lacks the ports and tabs required for combination as far as I know.

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Re: Transformers Studio Series Discussion (New 2018 Movie Line)

Postby o.supreme » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:14 am

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Sabrblade wrote:That's the newer Optimus. Bright red and correct-looking chest. The older one had dark red and an inaccurate-looking chest.


darn...thanks for the confirmation though. So, I guess there is no chance that Jetfire can combine with SS-05? I mean I know it has it's flaws, but it is from the 2nd film after all. Then again, was there really any changes in Prime between Movie 1 and Movie 2, I never thought so...they probably just slapped the movie 1 logo on the box to signify it is a different toy.

*edit* -yes I understand the toys are different, just speaking in terms of "in-movie"
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Re: Transformers Studio Series Discussion (New 2018 Movie Line)

Postby william-james88 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:02 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:That's the newer Optimus. Bright red and correct-looking chest. The older one had dark red and an inaccurate-looking chest.


darn...thanks for the confirmation though. So, I guess there is no chance that Jetfire can combine with SS-05? I mean I know it has it's flaws, but it is from the 2nd film after all. Then again, was there really any changes in Prime between Movie 1 and Movie 2, I never thought so...they probably just slapped the movie 1 logo on the box to signify it is a different toy.

*edit* -yes I understand the toys are different, just speaking in terms of "in-movie"

Sadly there is no chance it combines with the previous one. And in movie, there was no difference between prime's design from the first to seconds film. That means this new prime works for both and thus the previous Prime is rendered obsolete. I sold mine already since it felt absolutely worthless in my collection.
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Re: Transformers Studio Series Discussion (New 2018 Movie Line)

Postby o.supreme » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:09 pm

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william-james88 wrote:And in movie, there was no difference between prime's design from the first to seconds film. That means this new prime works for both and thus the previous Prime is rendered obsolete. I sold mine already since it felt absolutely worthless in my collection.


Perfect. That's where my mind was going ;)^ , glad to know despite the packaging SS-35 can be Movie 1 or 2 Prime for all intents and purposes.
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Re: Transformers Studio Series Discussion (New 2018 Movie Line)

Postby Deadput » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:48 pm

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william-james88 wrote:Sadly there is no chance it combines with the previous one. And in movie, there was no difference between prime's design from the first to seconds film. That means this new prime works for both and thus the previous Prime is rendered obsolete. I sold mine already since it felt absolutely worthless in my collection.


I feel like the ROTF SS Prime is actually meant to be the DOTM version where he did have actual physical changes, mostly the abs.

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Re: Transformers Studio Series Discussion (New 2018 Movie Line)

Postby ZeroWolf » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:13 pm

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Well we will see what the DotM leader Class version looks like ;)
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Re: Transformers Studio Series Discussion (New 2018 Movie Line)

Postby william-james88 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:23 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:Very nice review! Love the pictures! ;)^

Initially I was going to pass on this figure, as I'm in the minority of those who like the original leader. But since I already have SS Prime, I might as well get Jetfire, if only for the combination.

You got the new 2019 ss prime? How?
No, I didn't. I mixed up the new Prime with the one that already came out.

ok, are you gonna get this prime and Jetfire then?
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Re: Transformers Studio Series Discussion (New 2018 Movie Line)

Postby o.supreme » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:40 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:Well we will see what the DotM leader Class version looks like ;)

:BANG_HEAD: Wow, that's even more frustrating than DotM Megatron. There should be literally NO reason that Movie 3 Prime is a Leader Class figure, as the design had minimal if any changes. The ONLY POSSIBLE reason I could see for it to be Leader Class is if it is incorporating the Trailer, but then that presents a whole other series of issues...

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Re: Transformers Studio Series Discussion (New 2018 Movie Line)

Postby william-james88 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:41 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:Well we will see what the DotM leader Class version looks like ;)

:BANG_HEAD: Wow, that's even more frustaring than DotM Megatron. There should be literally NO reason that Movie 3 Prime is a Leader Class figure, as the design had minimal if any changes. The ONLY POSSIBLE reason I could see for it to be Leader Class is if it is incorporating the Trailer, but then that presents a whole other series of issues...

I am pretty sure thats what is gonna happen, he will come with a trailer.
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Re: Transformers Studio Series Discussion (New 2018 Movie Line)

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ZeroWolf wrote:Well we will see what the DotM leader Class version looks like ;)

:BANG_HEAD: Wow, that's even more frustaring than DotM Megatron. There should be literally NO reason that Movie 3 Prime is a Leader Class figure, as the design had minimal if any changes. The ONLY POSSIBLE reason I could see for it to be Leader Class is if it is incorporating the Trailer, but then that presents a whole other series of issues...

I am pretty sure thats what is gonna happen, he will come with a trailer.


I probably won't buy the new voyager Optimus and Leader Jetfire. Most if not all the DOTM Optimuses sucked in one way or another. So if leader DOTM Optimus is a slighly modded new voyager plus a kick-ass trailer that transform into the weapon station as shown in the movie, I'll be all over it.

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Re: Transformers Studio Series Discussion (New 2018 Movie Line)

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:15 pm

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o. supreme, while the Ultimate Optimus set is larger than a modern Leader, there are some important things to keep in mind:
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The nominally Voyager cab is larger than standard DOTM-onward Voyagers..
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...And even so, the trailer is monstrously oversize for the cab (it actually sizes better with the ROTF Leader-class cab!)
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On top of that, the trailer has a crapton of extra mass to it.
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Size comparison.

So yes, you couldn't do a Voyager cab plus a trailer the size of the Ultimate Optimus one as a modern Leader-class figure. But you wouldn't need to because both the cab and trailer are oversize compared to modern Voyagers like SS Optimus anyway. I think there is just about room to squeeze in the Voyager Optimus cab and a proportionate trailer at the Leader size class.
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Re: Transformers Studio Series Discussion (New 2018 Movie Line)

Postby Skritz » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:51 pm

While I don't collect movie figures, I'm quite tempted to get DOTM Megatron as I (somehow) liked that design and the Leader figure seems pretty damn solid. Is he worth it as a stand alone pick up?

Also do we have any clues if The Fallen himself will receive a Studio Series figure?
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Re: Transformers Studio Series Discussion (New 2018 Movie Line)

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I think the partsforming on Jetfire ended up working out really well. They have gotten much better at it lately, and now it's giving us an even more accurate Jet Optimus. It may not be entirely screen accurate, but at least it's an even closer effort that can pose.

@Skirtz, that Megatron would make a good standalone. He doesn't need anyone else!

No word on a SS Fallen figure yet.

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Re: Transformers Studio Series Discussion (New 2018 Movie Line)

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:33 pm

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I wouldn't call the Studio Series Jetpower Prime more accurate. It's just as inaccurate as the ROTF Leaders' combo but in different ways. More poseable, I'll grant you. But not more accurate.

The original could probably have had the poseability granted by partsforming if it wasn't for the fact that Jetfire's hips had to support the weight of a big fat battery box that uses AA batteries. I would love to get my hands on the smeghead in Hasbro's marketing department who mandated that Leader-class figures not only have electronics but that those electronics be powered strictly by AA batteries.
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Re: Transformers Studio Series Discussion (New 2018 Movie Line)

Postby Deadput » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:43 pm

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I wouldn't call the Studio Series Jetpower Prime more accurate. It's just as inaccurate as the ROTF Leaders' combo but in different ways. More poseable, I'll grant you. But not more accurate.

Like there could ever be an accurate version of the Jetpower Prime that also transforms into Jetfire, he literally wraps around Prime in the film.
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Ignoring the Jetfire parts themselves look at Thickimus Prime over here, his proportions change.

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Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:59 pm

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In that shot he still has parts of Jetfire on him, that's why he looks that way. The only parts he lost were the thrusters and wings.
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