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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:19 am

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Is Generations Drift not good enough?

That figure is already eight years old and we never got another one in Generations which is really crazy.
Does "being old" some how make a figure "bad" enough that it needs to be replaced?

Why not instead desire a reissue of the previous figure instead of a new one, like how both Cosmos and Skrapnel got reissued?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Lunatic Prime » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:51 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:
Emerje wrote:
Amelie wrote:
WreckerJack wrote:I still want Pharma and Drift dangit!)


Is Generations Drift not good enough?

That figure is already eight years old and we never got another one in Generations which is really crazy.
Does "being old" some how make a figure "bad" enough that it needs to be replaced?

Why not instead desire a reissue of the previous figure instead of a new one, like how both Cosmos and Skrapnel got reissued?

Because a Cybertron mode Drift would be really nice. And a Deadlock of course.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Sentinel_Primal » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:15 pm

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Lunatic Prime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Emerje wrote:
Amelie wrote:
WreckerJack wrote:I still want Pharma and Drift dangit!)


Is Generations Drift not good enough?

That figure is already eight years old and we never got another one in Generations which is really crazy.
Does "being old" some how make a figure "bad" enough that it needs to be replaced?

Why not instead desire a reissue of the previous figure instead of a new one, like how both Cosmos and Skrapnel got reissued?

Because a Cybertron mode Drift would be really nice. And a Deadlock of course.


I saw someone who digibashed Drift and Deadlock using the P/CP figure. It looked pretty cool, but considering the "No gimmicks unless they were in the original toy" rule of the line I doubt we'd get something like that unfortunately :-(
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Lunatic Prime » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:24 pm

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Sentinel_Primal wrote:
Lunatic Prime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Emerje wrote:
Amelie wrote:
WreckerJack wrote:I still want Pharma and Drift dangit!)


Is Generations Drift not good enough?

That figure is already eight years old and we never got another one in Generations which is really crazy.
Does "being old" some how make a figure "bad" enough that it needs to be replaced?

Why not instead desire a reissue of the previous figure instead of a new one, like how both Cosmos and Skrapnel got reissued?

Because a Cybertron mode Drift would be really nice. And a Deadlock of course.


I saw someone who digibashed Drift and Deadlock using the P/CP figure. It looked pretty cool, but considering the "No gimmicks unless they were in the original toy" rule of the line I doubt we'd get something like that unfortunately :-(

But there was no original (G1) of Drift :-D
And this gimmick would make sense for him.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:26 pm

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Sentinel_Primal wrote:I saw someone who digibashed Drift and Deadlock using the P/CP figure. It looked pretty cool, but considering the "No gimmicks unless they were in the original toy" rule of the line I doubt we'd get something like that unfortunately :-(


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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Lunatic Prime » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:29 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Sentinel_Primal wrote:I saw someone who digibashed Drift and Deadlock using the P/CP figure. It looked pretty cool, but considering the "No gimmicks unless they were in the original toy" rule of the line I doubt we'd get something like that unfortunately :-(


Whoa, hold on, where did you get that rule from?

The design team guy at SDCC said that in an interview.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Sentinel_Primal » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:32 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Sentinel_Primal wrote:I saw someone who digibashed Drift and Deadlock using the P/CP figure. It looked pretty cool, but considering the "No gimmicks unless they were in the original toy" rule of the line I doubt we'd get something like that unfortunately :-(


Whoa, hold on, where did you get that rule from?


Mostly just guessing tbh. Magnus getting the White Prime and Cog being a partsformer sorta made me jump the gun a bit I guess :lol: Plus the one interview that I only half paid attention to where they talked about characters only getting gimmicks if it made sense for them to have it. Drift doesn't have two robot modes, so I don't think that Hasbro would make a figure for Drift using that mold
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:42 pm

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Yeah I don't think they'll touch that version of drift first a while yet. Now if he features prominently in the idw reboot however...
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:54 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:
WreckerJack wrote:That does make sense considering the IDW comics are about Unicron too. I know these are different things but - how cool would it be if they were connected somehow? (And how many ppl have been asking for comic character figures - I still want Pharma and Drift dangit!)

Why I do think it'll be awesome for this line to go he whole hog and introduce Unicron with his own faction (you know the drill, Titan Unicron with a Leader class main underling/herald and a couple of voyagers and a few deluxes and a weaponizer or two) it's just I can't see him being teased till the second line at least. Anything to do with the end of the comics is purely coincidence as when this line is full swing, idw continuity as it currently is will already be cold in the ground.

Reboot continuity on the other hand...;-)


Unicron-as-faction has long been a thing which has floated around in Transformers lore and series without ever becoming a concrete thing: even going back as far as flat out Unicron's first appearance in The Movie where he's not really aligned with the 'cons and rather is using them (or at least Galvatron's gang) to enact his plan to destroy everyone. We've had plenty of vaguely (or not so vaguely) Unicronian agents as a mysterious third faction in TV shows and comics but generally speaking for toyline and classification purposes they were listed as Decepticons.

The idea of introducing a third faction to Transformers and having the toyline reflect this would be a huge thing for Hasbro and the only time I recall it being a thing was Beast Hunters, unless you count Beast Wars and Beast Machine but these still played by the rules of one good faction vs one evil faction. Presumably a Unicron faction would have it's own symbol. Part of me think this is not something Hasbro would be willing to just casually introduce.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:19 pm

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Skritz wrote:Unicron-as-faction has long been a thing which has floated around in Transformers lore and series without ever becoming a concrete thing: even going back as far as flat out Unicron's first appearance in The Movie where he's not really aligned with the 'cons and rather is using them (or at least Galvatron's gang) to enact his plan to destroy everyone. We've had plenty of vaguely (or not so vaguely) Unicronian agents as a mysterious third faction in TV shows and comics but generally speaking for toyline and classification purposes they were listed as Decepticons.

The idea of introducing a third faction to Transformers and having the toyline reflect this would be a huge thing for Hasbro and the only time I recall it being a thing was Beast Hunters, unless you count Beast Wars and Beast Machine but these still played by the rules of one good faction vs one evil faction. Presumably a Unicron faction would have it's own symbol. Part of me think this is not something Hasbro would be willing to just casually introduce.


Beast Wars Neo was the first to introduce a third proper faction in the toy line, the Unicron-created Blentrons, after that Armada with the Mini-Con faction. RiD 2001 did have the Decepticons next to the Predacons, but they were treated more as a sub-group and eventually replacement.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Nemesis Primal » Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:28 pm

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Skritz wrote:We've had plenty of vaguely (or not so vaguely) Unicronian agents as a mysterious third faction in TV shows and comics but generally speaking for toyline and classification purposes they were listed as Decepticons.

Most of those individuals were from non-G1 shows too, so that would be another way for Warden and crew to prove their claims that they don't hate non-G1.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Emerje » Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:57 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:
Emerje wrote:
Amelie wrote:
WreckerJack wrote:I still want Pharma and Drift dangit!)


Is Generations Drift not good enough?

That figure is already eight years old and we never got another one in Generations which is really crazy.
Does "being old" some how make a figure "bad" enough that it needs to be replaced?

Why not instead desire a reissue of the previous figure instead of a new one, like how both Cosmos and Skrapnel got reissued?

The figure is good, but doesn't really fit anywhere as far as we know. Plus since Warden took over the only figures that he's reissued in the main line (this excludes Platinum Editions) from Archer's era is Cosmos and Skrapnel, the latter being one of Warden's designs and neither being 100% the same as the original. I really can't seen Drift ever getting another run when they can just make a new one with a Cybertronian alt mode if ever.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:19 pm

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Skritz wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:
WreckerJack wrote:That does make sense considering the IDW comics are about Unicron too. I know these are different things but - how cool would it be if they were connected somehow? (And how many ppl have been asking for comic character figures - I still want Pharma and Drift dangit!)

Why I do think it'll be awesome for this line to go he whole hog and introduce Unicron with his own faction (you know the drill, Titan Unicron with a Leader class main underling/herald and a couple of voyagers and a few deluxes and a weaponizer or two) it's just I can't see him being teased till the second line at least. Anything to do with the end of the comics is purely coincidence as when this line is full swing, idw continuity as it currently is will already be cold in the ground.

Reboot continuity on the other hand...;-)


Unicron-as-faction has long been a thing which has floated around in Transformers lore and series without ever becoming a concrete thing: even going back as far as flat out Unicron's first appearance in The Movie where he's not really aligned with the 'cons and rather is using them (or at least Galvatron's gang) to enact his plan to destroy everyone. We've had plenty of vaguely (or not so vaguely) Unicronian agents as a mysterious third faction in TV shows and comics but generally speaking for toyline and classification purposes they were listed as Decepticons.

The idea of introducing a third faction to Transformers and having the toyline reflect this would be a huge thing for Hasbro and the only time I recall it being a thing was Beast Hunters, unless you count Beast Wars and Beast Machine but these still played by the rules of one good faction vs one evil faction. Presumably a Unicron faction would have it's own symbol. Part of me think this is not something Hasbro would be willing to just casually introduce.


One of the original TF:TM posters made reference to a third faction known as Unicrons. Probably Galvatron and crew were going to be that faction before just being Decepticons.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Fires_Of_Inferno » Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:30 pm

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So someone on twitter told me that, despite being slight retools of Moonracer, Chromia (and assumedly Firestar as well) have their combiner pegs removed, making them unable to combine with Elita-1. Anyone know if that's true? And if so, what the hell is the point of using the cool, but obviously very flawed, Moonracer mold 2 more times?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Cobotron » Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:35 pm

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Pretty sure, like 99.99% sure that Firestar is a straight repaint of Moon racer with a new head.

Chromia on the other hand was confirmed at SDCC to be neutered of her peg. :shock:
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:39 pm

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Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:So someone on twitter told me that, despite being slight retools of Moonracer, Chromia (and assumedly Firestar as well) have their combiner pegs removed, making them unable to combine with Elita-1. Anyone know if that's true? And if so, what the hell is the point of using the cool, but obviously very flawed, Moonracer mold 2 more times?


Firestar should be in tact as she is the last release of PotP. But we had a long discussion here. It was disappointing, but knowledge since the reveal; at SDCC, that Chromia would not be a combiner. (pics analyzed form many angles).Many fans, including myself, are disappointed. Why was the combiner mechanism removed? Probably to fit with the "lack of gimmick" for the Siege line. (Never mind that every line since T30 has had some bleed over from the previous...). It doesn't make sense to most of us, but it is what it is. Hopefully either through :TAKARATOMY: , or perhaps in a future generations line, or even as exclusives, combiners will at some point return.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:41 pm

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Cobotron wrote:Pretty sure, like 99.99% sure that Firestar is a straight repaint of Moon racer with a new head.

Chromia on the other hand was confirmed at SDCC to be neutered of her peg. :shock:


Chromia is all new, but the transformation is based on PotP Moonracer. All new mold, no peg needed. For that matter, Ironhide's transformation is partially based on that of TR Sergeant Kup, despite being an all-new mold as well.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:43 pm

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You could hope for takara tomy exclusives but I think anything that isn't an exclusive or masterpiece is just going to be a straight up hasbro release. Also where did this rumour start about novastar? It's vern long since confirmed that she can combine.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Fires_Of_Inferno » Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:52 pm

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Aaarrgh...

Well, if there's something that will make me, unwillingly, go to 3rd party companies, this would be it. Of course, that won't happen either since they'd all rather make their own combiners of elita-1 instead of letting hasbro have any of their money. I guess I'll just need to pay someone to cobble together something for me. Man, I miss when 3rd party companies filled in gaps instead of make full on rip-offs.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Lunatic Prime » Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:43 pm

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o.supreme wrote:
Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:So someone on twitter told me that, despite being slight retools of Moonracer, Chromia (and assumedly Firestar as well) have their combiner pegs removed, making them unable to combine with Elita-1. Anyone know if that's true? And if so, what the hell is the point of using the cool, but obviously very flawed, Moonracer mold 2 more times?


Firestar should be in tact as she is the last release of PotP. But we had a long discussion here. It was disappointing, but knowledge since the reveal; at SDCC, that Chromia would not be a combiner. (pics analyzed form many angles).Many fans, including myself, are disappointed. Why was the combiner mechanism removed? Probably to fit with the "lack of gimmick" for the Siege line. (Never mind that every line since T30 has had some bleed over from the previous...). It doesn't make sense to most of us, but it is what it is. Hopefully either through :TAKARATOMY: , or perhaps in a future generations line, or even as exclusives, combiners will at some point return.

I guess they removed the gimmick for a better transformation and more articulation like in her feet. The 5 mm port for the combiner hand is missing but in exchange she has ankle tilt now.
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Rumoured Leader Shockwave and Decepticon Listings in Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Wave 1

Postby Va'al » Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:01 pm

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One of the biggest talking points, after the initial reveal of the War for Cybertron Siege toys from San Diego Comic Con 2018, was what wasn't shown in any of the documentation, presentations or actual displays: the Decepticons.

Now that distributors such as Entertainment Earth and Diamond are sending out their orders listings for stores for this fall, however, we have more than just a hint towards the purple faction showing up as early as wave 1. Fellow Seibertronian Samsonator contacted us to let us know the following:

My workplace just out through orders for our first shipments of War For Cybertron: Siege figures. Included in the Leader Class assortment was a listing for Leader Class Shockwave. I didn't see this info myself so I can not confirm it, but the biggest Shockwave fan in the store did the ordering, so he knows what he's talking about. So for now, I will say this is a rumour.

The store I work for is an independently owned collectibles store, but the cases we order are the same as regular big box retailers. The listings were all by name, and mostly what we've seen already, except for a few (Voyager Class "M", presumably Megatron, Deluxe "S", possibly Starscream, Leader Class "G", maybe a Galvatron?) but Shockwave was identified by name in the Leader Class assortment


We did some digging, and the rumour may appear to be indeed founded, with wave 1 supposedly including: Battle Masters Blowpipe, Lionizer and Firedrive; Micro Masters Race Car Patrol, Battle Patrol, Airstrike Patrol; Deluxes Sideswipe, Deluxe S (starscream?), Cog, Hound; Voyagers Optimus Prime and M (megatron?); Leaders Ultra Magnus and, here he is, Shockwave. Take this with a pinch of salt until a full reveal from Hasbro and/or corroboration from another source, but in the meantime, feel free to join the speculation in the Energon Pub!

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Postby kurthy » Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:06 pm

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Damn it, I don't need a leader shocky. I need a voyager and a deluxe.
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Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:11 pm

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I will take a well done Shockwave. His time has come.

Though still a tad disappointed that it looks like it will be Shockwave and not Tidal Wave
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Lunatic Prime » Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:12 pm

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kurthy wrote:Damn it, I don't need a leader shocky. I need a voyager and a deluxe.

I already got enough Deluxe and Voyager Shockwaves but there's never been a Shockwave beyond Voyager class (as far as I remember). So don't be so darn selfish :BANG_HEAD:
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Postby Lunatic Prime » Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:15 pm

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D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I will take a well done Shockwave. His time has come.

Though still a tad disappointed that it looks like it will be Shockwave and not Tidal Wave

Maybe it'll be Micron Legends Shockwave ;)
I mean we'll get an RID Ultra Magnus alt mode. So why not?
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