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[Jelze Bunnycat]

Also keep in mind that Shockwave and Ultra Magnus may have had preliminary designs made for the PotP Prime Poll, in case either of them won (note the "Core Bot" and "Trailer" thing both have going for them). It takes as little as changing detailing and part design to get the Siege figures we have now.

[First-Aid]

OK, gotta vent.

These are Cybertronian alt modes, right?

WHY IN THE NAME OF PRIMUS ARE THEIR PASSENGER COMPARTMENTS IF EVERYONE CAN CHANGE AND/OR ATTACH THEMSELVES? There would be literally no one to transport! The Actionmasters and Targetmasters can attach directly or have their own alt modes, and Headmasters don't exist yet! And this is, officially, prequel to the Machinima series so there were no Titan Masters yet!

End of rant.

[Wolfman Jake]

OK, gotta vent.
And this is, officially, prequel to the Machinima series so there were no Titan Masters yet!

When was that stated? This is a brand new trilogy, with no ties to the previous. It's mostly based on the first episode of the original Transformers cartoon, before they all came to earth, but even then, it's taken a lot of creative liberties.

It's been explained before too that Cybertronian alt modes have cockpits and spaces for piloting because of the Quintessons.

[First-Aid]

OK, gotta vent.
And this is, officially, prequel to the Machinima series so there were no Titan Masters yet!

When was that stated? This is a brand new trilogy, with no ties to the previous. It's mostly based on the first episode of the original Transformers cartoon, before they all came to earth, but even then, it's taken a lot of creative liberties.

It's been explained before too that Cybertronian alt modes have cockpits and spaces for piloting because of the Quintessons.

Quintessons huh? OK, that makes sense I suppose...but they always seemed to have their own separate vehicles, probably due to the fact that they didn't want to trust any of their creations.

I suppose that, since the Machinima series was post-Earth Wars and this is pre-Earth Wars, chronologically speaking it would fall in the prequel range. Unless we are dealing with a wibbley wobbley timey wimey thing....

[Wolfman Jake]

OK, gotta vent.
And this is, officially, prequel to the Machinima series so there were no Titan Masters yet!

When was that stated? This is a brand new trilogy, with no ties to the previous. It's mostly based on the first episode of the original Transformers cartoon, before they all came to earth, but even then, it's taken a lot of creative liberties.

It's been explained before too that Cybertronian alt modes have cockpits and spaces for piloting because of the Quintessons.

Quintessons huh? OK, that makes sense I suppose...but they always seemed to have their own separate vehicles, probably due to the fact that they didn't want to trust any of their creations.

I suppose that, since the Machinima series was post-Earth Wars and this is pre-Earth Wars, chronologically speaking it would fall in the prequel range. Unless we are dealing with a wibbley wobbley timey wimey thing....

They're entirely different continuities, unless otherwise stated by Hasbro. Yes, chronologically, what you are inferring makes some sense, but nothing links these two into a coherent, linear timeline right now. War for Cybertron is a story set in the earlier days of the Transformers' existence in a particular universe, and the Machinima cartoons are set at a point in time further into the future of the Transformers' existence in its own particular and different universe.

[william-james88]

I suppose that, since the Machinima series was post-Earth Wars and this is pre-Earth Wars, chronologically speaking it would fall in the prequel range. Unless we are dealing with a wibbley wobbley timey wimey thing....

Thats all assumptions but if you want facts Hasbro has claimed this to be a new trilogy not associated to previous iterations/canon of the war for cybertron.

Their main inspiration is the first episode of the sunbow cartoon, and thats about it.

[noctorro]

I LOVE Skytread (Flywheels), the colors are so incredible and I love the Duocon concept!

Optimus Prime and Megatron, damn, they look so incredible. They are going to be my best Transformers leaders so far. Love the voyager scale and Megatron looks so intimidating, more brutish like in the 3d webisodes from Machinima.

And that Ultra Magnus looks superb! Really love that they gave him the RID / Car Robots alt-mode. I can only see one upgrade and that is the RID head on it, or on the smaller white figure.

Hounds looks cool and solid, better than the old Classics (which was very good! The torso was just loose and I really dislike non-solid torsos and shoulders).

Shockwave is pure love, didn't need a new figure since the Cyber Batallion was a great voyager sized Shockwave for the Classics/Generations line.

Sideswipe is pure love, looks way better than the old Classics one and he looks very solid.

I love the Micromasters, they look great and love that some can combine.

That secundary Fortress Maximus dude look like a mini-army. Love the concept that they are armor drones but have solid robot and alt modes (unlike Car Robots Ultra Magnus, damn his legs).

This Siege line is in my opinion even better than Power of the Primes which.... Combiner Wars and up is just pure win for me guys. I love the G1 goodness, they're solid toys overall and look/pose/transform great.

Well damn, I knew this line was going to be a no-brainer. But Cyberverse is starting to look good as well (Ultra Slipstream / Ultra Optimus / Warrior Hot Rod)

And a few more damns for Bumblebee, they're probably going to make toys out of the Cybertron versions in the trailers/movies so that means I will need to buy all of them as well to further improve on life.

(offtopic, Damnit Aquaman, since the second trailer I want every single soldier as an action figure plus the heroes and villains, and the mech and the monsters....)

[william-james88]

They're entirely different continuities, unless otherwise stated by Hasbro. Yes, chronologically, what you are inferring makes some sense, but nothing links these two into a coherent, linear timeline right now. War for Cybertron is a story set in the earlier days of the Transformers' existence in a particular universe, and the Machinima cartoons are set at a point in time further into the future of the Transformers' existence in its own particular and different universe.

You made me think of something. In the sunbow cartoon chronology (where this line takes inspiration from), maximals come way later, after autobots have ceased existing.

In he machnima universe, maximals and autobots are around at the same time. So at least in that immediate perspective any assumption that this line is a prequel to the machinima stuff is invalidated.

[leokearon]

Shockwave confirmed to be a rip-off: https://www.biccamera.com/bc/item/59206 ... ineContent

I mean, rip-off may be a strong word here. It seems the only true reason they made Shockwave a leader class figure was to give him things to hide the totally-not-obvious-but-so-clearly-obvious Submarine Laser Pistol Gun Ship mode. And at least they did something creative with it, instead of just packing him with a bunch of accessories to warrant the Leader price point.

This was clearly done with the G1 fans in mind, as they know there are people who want things as close to G1 as possible, and they
can't just do a gun mode anymore. It may be a little dumb, but they did it for a reason, not just to fill a leader class spot. (Though, I suppose it was probably done to do that as well.)

It is a ripoff just like Energon Bulkhead. Get a figure from one size and throw in some unnecessary kibble/accessories just to boost it into a higher price bracket

[Sabrblade]

In the sunbow cartoon chronology (where this line takes inspiration from), maximals come way later, after autobots have ceased existing.

That's kinda getting into can-of-worms territory.

[Flashwave]

OK, gotta vent.

These are Cybertronian alt modes, right?

WHY IN THE NAME OF PRIMUS ARE THEIR PASSENGER COMPARTMENTS IF EVERYONE CAN CHANGE AND/OR ATTACH THEMSELVES? There would be literally no one to transport! The Actionmasters and Targetmasters can attach directly or have their own alt modes, and Headmasters don't exist yet! And this is, officially, prequel to the Machinima series so there were no Titan Masters yet!

End of rant.

Sure, but who wants to be strapped to the OUTSIDE of a jet when its going Mach 2? If I were a little dude who turned in to a gun, I’d rather be in the COCKPIT than picking insect icons out of my grille.

[TF-fan kev777]

OK, gotta vent.

These are Cybertronian alt modes, right?

WHY IN THE NAME OF PRIMUS ARE THEIR PASSENGER COMPARTMENTS IF EVERYONE CAN CHANGE AND/OR ATTACH THEMSELVES?

I see it as much more simple. Transformers are sentient beings with 2/3 modes, right? In bot mode, they see through their eyes. How are they supposed to see in vehicle mode? What you see as a cockpit, I see simply as the transformer's eyes while in alt mode. In other words, they see through their windshields. It also helps define the front of the vehicle.

[Sabrblade]

OK, gotta vent.

These are Cybertronian alt modes, right?

WHY IN THE NAME OF PRIMUS ARE THEIR PASSENGER COMPARTMENTS IF EVERYONE CAN CHANGE AND/OR ATTACH THEMSELVES?

I see it as much more simple. Transformers are sentient being with 2/3 modes, right? In bot mode, they see through their eyes. How are they supposed to see in vehicle mode? What you see as a cockpit, I see simply as the transformer's eyes while in alt mode. In other words, they see through their windshields. It also helps define the front of the vehicle.

Precedence: Starscream did loudly complain how he was blinded when his cockpit canopy got covered by Smokescreen's smoke in the G1 episode "Auto Berserk".

[Skritz]

Shockwave looks exactly as I thought he would and I'm quite happy with the results. Now, can we get Hound retooled into Ironfist to add to the Wreckers lineup?

[First-Aid]

OK, gotta vent.

These are Cybertronian alt modes, right?

WHY IN THE NAME OF PRIMUS ARE THEIR PASSENGER COMPARTMENTS IF EVERYONE CAN CHANGE AND/OR ATTACH THEMSELVES?

I see it as much more simple. Transformers are sentient being with 2/3 modes, right? In bot mode, they see through their eyes. How are they supposed to see in vehicle mode? What you see as a cockpit, I see simply as the transformer's eyes while in alt mode. In other words, they see through their windshields. It also helps define the front of the vehicle.

Precedence: Starscream did loudly complain how he was blinded when his cockpit canopy got covered by Smokescreen's smoke in the G1 episode "Auto Berserk".

Crap. I opened a rabbit hole...

[Skritz]

OK, gotta vent.

These are Cybertronian alt modes, right?

WHY IN THE NAME OF PRIMUS ARE THEIR PASSENGER COMPARTMENTS IF EVERYONE CAN CHANGE AND/OR ATTACH THEMSELVES?

I see it as much more simple. Transformers are sentient being with 2/3 modes, right? In bot mode, they see through their eyes. How are they supposed to see in vehicle mode? What you see as a cockpit, I see simply as the transformer's eyes while in alt mode. In other words, they see through their windshields. It also helps define the front of the vehicle.

Precedence: Starscream did loudly complain how he was blinded when his cockpit canopy got covered by Smokescreen's smoke in the G1 episode "Auto Berserk".

Crap. I opened a rabbit hole...

If I recall even Animated joked about how the hell they see in vehicle mode in a short...and promptly had Optimus try to say some techno babble he himself clearly did not understand how his own transformation system worked.

[Dr. Caelus]

Sure, but who wants to be strapped to the OUTSIDE of a jet when its going Mach 2? If I were a little dude who turned in to a gun, I’d rather be in the COCKPIT than picking insect icons out of my grille.

This.

Also, even in a more-or-less Quintesson free context like G1 Marvel or IDW, I figured they had passenger compartments simply because Cybertronians come in a wide variety of sizes, including human-sized. In alternate mode, Sky-Lynx can carry Jetfire, Jetfire can carry Optimus Prime, Optimus Prime can carry Bumblebee, and Bumblebee could carry a *Master. The catch is, there aren't very many bots small enough to get behind Bumblebee's wheel. My assumption as to why there are so few bots smaller than minibot size has always been rather grim, and some of the details in IDW's Functionist Universe seem to support my assumption in that regard.

[Ultra Markus]

Well, after many different shows or series we finally get shockwave done right (excluding masterpiece of course)and some extra stuff thrown in for playability
It may seem like a rip off to some as the core figure isn't as big as a leader class but in this case I think I can be ok with it

[Skritz]

Sure, but who wants to be strapped to the OUTSIDE of a jet when its going Mach 2? If I were a little dude who turned in to a gun, I’d rather be in the COCKPIT than picking insect icons out of my grille.

This.

Also, even in a more-or-less Quintesson free context like G1 Marvel or IDW, I figured they had passenger compartments simply because Cybertronians come in a wide variety of sizes, including human-sized. In alternate mode, Sky-Lynx can carry Jetfire, Jetfire can carry Optimus Prime, Optimus Prime can carry Bumblebee, and Bumblebee could carry a *Master. The catch is, there aren't very many bots small enough to get behind Bumblebee's wheel. My assumption as to why there are so few bots smaller than minibot size has always been rather grim, and some of the details in IDW's Functionist Universe seem to support my assumption in that regard.

I also suspect that, in settings where they can upgrade to bigger and strong bodies most would. You'll notice that the peace-time setting of Animated is swarming in mini-bot sized Bumblebee-like body types. Not a whole lot of reasons to be a colossal lug unless you're doing physical labor. Seems to me like smaller Cybertronians is a peace-time thing which would make sense.

Or, you know, we're all just overthinking it too hard.

[Dr. Caelus]

It would have been nice if Shockwave's extra pieces could have been assembled into some sort of laboratory props or playset.

[TF-fan kev777]

It would have been nice if Shockwave's extra pieces could have been assembled into some sort of laboratory props or playset.

We've seen him with 4 arms, I want to know if you can fanmode him to have 4 legs.

[Sabrblade]

I also suspect that, in settings where they can upgrade to bigger and strong bodies most would. You'll notice that the peace-time setting of Animated is swarming in mini-bot sized Bumblebee-like body types. Not a whole lot of reasons to be a colossal lug unless you're doing physical labor. Seems to me like smaller Cybertronians is a peace-time thing which would make sense.

This does also fit well with "the great upgrade from Autobot to Maximal" that the Beast Era had going, and which its early BotCon fiction was the first place to establish the downsizing being due to post-war energy efficiency.

[Dr. Caelus]

Sure, but who wants to be strapped to the OUTSIDE of a jet when its going Mach 2? If I were a little dude who turned in to a gun, I’d rather be in the COCKPIT than picking insect icons out of my grille.

This.

Also, even in a more-or-less Quintesson free context like G1 Marvel or IDW, I figured they had passenger compartments simply because Cybertronians come in a wide variety of sizes, including human-sized. In alternate mode, Sky-Lynx can carry Jetfire, Jetfire can carry Optimus Prime, Optimus Prime can carry Bumblebee, and Bumblebee could carry a *Master. The catch is, there aren't very many bots small enough to get behind Bumblebee's wheel. My assumption as to why there are so few bots smaller than minibot size has always been rather grim, and some of the details in IDW's Functionist Universe seem to support my assumption in that regard.

I also suspect that, in settings where they can upgrade to bigger and strong bodies most would. You'll notice that the peace-time setting of Animated is swarming in mini-bot sized Bumblebee-like body types. Not a whole lot of reasons to be a colossal lug unless you're doing physical labor. Seems to me like smaller Cybertronians is a peace-time thing which would make sense.

Or, you know, we're all just overthinking it too hard.

Bah, that's not overthinking! Overthinking is when you realize that - even without considering alternate modes - the designs of Transformers are so diverse in terms of size, weight, dexterity, mobility, etc., that making antebellum Cybertron's public spaces accessible would have pushed its civil engineers to their limits.

[Nemesis Destron]

Is Megatron mis-transformed slightly? He's got this weird shoulder thing going on?


But Shockwave has nothing but greatness going on. I hope no major flaws come up upon the figures release 'nuff said!

[Bucky]

Personally I’m already sold on what I’ve seen from most of this line. While some of the battle damage may be a little too heavy for my tastes on some of the figures, I think the concept itself makes for a nice change of pace. I’m perfectly fine with Soundwave changing into a lamppost/bulk freighter. It’s not something we really ever see in Transformers. It’s nice that he’s not a boom box for once.

My knee jerk reaction to Shockwave was a little perplexed. His armored up leader class mode is way out of left field, but the more I think about it the more I like it. Why wouldn’t Shockwave create a powered-up armor upgrade? In Seige, he’s not one of the only bots left on Cybertron, while the bulk of the two factions are having it out on earth. He’s in the thick of it. So it makes sense to me. It’s also something we haven’t seen before. This is Has/Tak taking a gamble on something new and creative, and I applaud them for it. Plus I’m thinking this Shockwave could be repainted to make a very convincing Shokaract.

With OP and Megatron, however, I am not sold. They’re exactly what I was afraid they would be. More of the same. They’re both bland, and as much as I truly love G1 designs, I don’t know that I need these, since there’s nothing new going on here. And since we get at least one, if not more, OP and Megatron with each line.

With every other figure, though, I’m absolutely on board. I’ve been wanting more weapons, and I’ve always wondered why Hasbro or Takara never bothered with any weapons effects. I feel like a lot of gimmicks just get in the way of what would be an otherwise great line of toys, but this is one gimmick I can get behind.