Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:43 pm

william-james88 wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:Oh no argument here about Shockwave but I do believe it's because the voyager slots were full. Though on saying that, did they need to release Springer here? Or is that because they plan on releasing all the wreckers over the next three years...

I think we are pretty set on wreckers aside from Ironfist, with impactor coming later next year. I think Springer was chosen because they wanted another autobot for a voyager slot (since most are decepticons) and of all the voyager class toys one would need for this redo of G1, Gen Springer was both the oldest triplechanger left to redo and least true to his G1 look (boxy helicopter). Of course that also goes for Sandstorm but that character is much less famous. Basically, I think they wanted all their heavy hitters present in Siege.

Who else would you have picked to fill the voyager slot for an Autobot?


Honestly Springer makes sense for the very reasons you outlined. The only other Autobot I can think of that would fit that size class and hasn't had a recent update would be Grapple, hardly a heavy hitter.

Although, this kind of points out the possible error in going so true to scale for robot modes. Leaders are shrinking in height, or are being regulated to Voyagers with extras, and you have a some size classes that are going to be dominated by 1 faction or the other.

While a generations Barricade based off his movie self is pretty cool, I have to think that it was likely the result of them trying to figure out how to get another Decepticon into the deluxe scale.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:55 pm

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TF-fan kev777 wrote:While a generations Barricade based off his movie self is pretty cool, I have to think that it was likely the result of them trying to figure out how to get another Decepticon into the deluxe scale.

I am certain thats the case, plus with using an 'existing' mold. There are a few interviews out there with hasbro throughout the years where you see how important these more practical factors are in what you find in a wave/line like colour/faction variation, and fitting figures for a particular price point.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:03 pm

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@will that is true, there isnt alot of Autobots they could do at that size, at this point in the timeline they are aiming at.
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Stock Photos for Entire First Wave of Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege

Postby william-james88 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:16 pm

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Thanks to a few different sources like Ladypapa on E-bay and In Demand Toys on Facebook we have all the stock images for the wave 1 figures in Transformers Siege. These give us our best look yet for most of these figures since these are not renders but images of the final toys. Of course thanks to the recent Seibertron galleries of Optimus and Megatron, we know that the deco for the weathering effects can change from figure to figure, but these images are stil our best idea of what the toys will look like in hand.

We get a very good look at the simplistic Magnus cab for isntance which seems to have as bad an alt mode as POTP Optimus' cab mode with exposed arms, hands and feet. Of course all this visible robot kibble dissapears from view when the trailer is attached. We also ge a very good look at Hound's alt boxy mode. We thank fellow Seibertronian Itscramtastic for letting us know of these.

The Siege line is currently hitting retail but we only have actual sightings for the Battle Masters so far so if you find any of these other toys at Walmart or Target or elsewhere, please let us know! And be sure to share any sighting in the sightings forum.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:21 pm

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What's that under the launcher in ums box?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Emerje » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:27 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:To be fair, I think it's likely that scorpy will see a release as the the titan after omega since he's the last big guy to sort out (who we get for titans after that will be interesting to see)

Between TRU closing, Hasbro being forced to release a bunch of employees, Leader class shrinking, and a lot of Walmarts not even carrying Leaders I'm not sure if we'll see another Titan after Scorponok assuming we get him at all. Hasbro seems to be having increasing trouble getting large Transformers into US retail and they aren't worth the risks.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Sentinel_Primal » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:28 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:What's that under the launcher in ums box?

I think it's the leg weapons that are usually just on the side and left there for the stock photos
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Seibertron » Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:04 pm

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Emerje wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:To be fair, I think it's likely that scorpy will see a release as the the titan after omega since he's the last big guy to sort out (who we get for titans after that will be interesting to see)

Between TRU closing, Hasbro being forced to release a bunch of employees, Leader class shrinking, and a lot of Walmarts not even carrying Leaders I'm not sure if we'll see another Titan after Scorponok assuming we get him at all. Hasbro seems to be having increasing trouble getting large Transformers into US retail and they aren't worth the risks.

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Aside from Toys R Us, when were any Titan Class figures found at retail in the US?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:08 pm

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Seibertron wrote:
Emerje wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:To be fair, I think it's likely that scorpy will see a release as the the titan after omega since he's the last big guy to sort out (who we get for titans after that will be interesting to see)

Between TRU closing, Hasbro being forced to release a bunch of employees, Leader class shrinking, and a lot of Walmarts not even carrying Leaders I'm not sure if we'll see another Titan after Scorponok assuming we get him at all. Hasbro seems to be having increasing trouble getting large Transformers into US retail and they aren't worth the risks.

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Aside from Toys R Us, when were any Titan Class figures found at retail in the US?

Do you count specialty stores like Think Geek? And do you count Costco? There were titans at both those locations. I am unaware if Predaking was found at those.

Anyways, Enerje, while i see where you are coming from all the evidence presented is circumstantial. We can theorise, but I see no solid proof that Hasbro is abandoning Titans . I remember us bign concerned last year that there would be nothing after Predaking, but he is still being sold at the largest retailers in the US and Hasbro was happy to present us with Omega Supreme. It honestly seems like business as usual. Sure the channels of purchasing are changing but that is for retail as a whole and it doesnt mean there are less sales.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Seibertron » Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:13 pm

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william-james88 wrote:Do you count specialty stores like Think Geek? And do you count Costco? There were titans at both those locations. I am unaware if Predaking was found at those.


I think I count Think Geek, they're just not a big enough chain for me to even consider. I don't even think there are any around where I live, I've never been to one. Metroplex is the only one who showed up at Costco, which I never saw at the Costcos around me. They were at clearance prices so I'm not even sure if it was an actual regular Costco stocked item or they just bought palettes at discounted prices and blew them out. Either way, the point was that Walmart, Target and other non-Toys R Us big box stores didn't carry Titan Class figures in the first place.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Ultra Markus » Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:25 pm

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Re: Stock Photos for Entire First Wave of Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege

Postby Cyberpath » Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:38 pm

william-james88 wrote:Thanks to a few different sources like Ladypapa on E-bay and In Demand Toys on Facebook we have all the stock images for the wave 1 figures in Transformers Siege.


I keep forgetting that they're supposed to have "Cybertronian" alt-molds. Because really, only Starscream and Shockwave look the part. Not that I mind! :))

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Emerje » Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:42 pm

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So Ultra Magnus' symbol is just slightly more elaborate in the bottom corner than the regular Deluxe symbol so it really does appear that they are for rank rather than size class.
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Meanwhile Shockwave's is entirely unique (it might have V in the bottom still, hard to tell), resembling an atom since he's a scientist. The Decepticons seem to have a lot more variation in their symbols than the Autobots do.
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Also, a better look at Cog's tells us that it really is a combination of the Deluxe and Battle Master symbols. Still no clear shot of the Micro Master symbols, but they do appear to be the same as the Battle Masters.
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So here's the symbols we know along with possible/theoretical ranks. Curious if Leader class Optimus will have the same symbol as the Voyager or if they'll change up the top portion.

Autobot Leader
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Autobot Commander
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Decepticon Leader
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Cheetron » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:13 pm

The more I see of ultra Magnus, the less I want him. He just keeps looming clunkier and bulkier than before. I'm sticking with my CW Magnus
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Emerje » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:18 pm

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william-james88 wrote:Sure the channels of purchasing are changing but that is for retail as a whole and it doesnt mean there are less sales.

If it were business as usual then Hasbro wouldn't be laying off 10% of their work force (estimated between 500 and 600 employees) as a direct result of TRU closing in the US right before their busiest time of the year. For us it was just a matter of going somewhere else to buy the same things, but for Hasbro it's been a massive blow. Don't forget, all those Trypticons that were found at Ollie's for cheap came directly from Hasbro when TRU canceled their orders, coupled with all the other Hasbro stock found there. That's a huge hit for them to absorb, it isn't like when Amazon sells them for cheap at Christmas after Hasbro already got their money. Seeing as how you can still get super cheap Trypticons online it's easy to guess that Hasbro will have to greatly pull back the production numbers on Omega Supreme if they haven't already started doing so with Predaking. It wouldn't take much for the numbers to become unprofitable and Titans no longer being a thing in 2020.

Let's face it, Hasbro relies on the gullibility of retailers to keep buying these big ticket items in larger quantities than they can ever hope to possibly sell, and they've now lost the most gullible of all.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Lunatic Prime » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:43 pm

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Flashwave » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:44 pm

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My guess, its either a stress joint desingied to give rathwr than break. But Blowpipe d9es have ports behind his wrists, so maybe he can mount the gun?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:06 pm

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Lunatic Prime wrote:Why are the Battle Master's weapons detachable?
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And why do they have 3 mm pegs/handles? As far as I can see there are no figures with 3 mm ports in this line.
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My guess, its either a stress joint desingied to give rathwr than break. But Blowpipe d9es have ports behind his wrists, so maybe he can mount the gun?


Consider the Battle Masters a continuation of the Prime Master Decoy Suits, which had the same features and are of the same size. The 3mm ports are leftover standard from DotM and Prime's Cyberverse line.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Lunatic Prime » Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:24 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
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Lunatic Prime wrote:Why are the Battle Master's weapons detachable?
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My guess, its either a stress joint desingied to give rathwr than break. But Blowpipe d9es have ports behind his wrists, so maybe he can mount the gun?


Consider the Battle Masters a continuation of the Prime Master Decoy Suits, which had the same features and are of the same size. The 3mm ports are leftover standard from DotM and Prime's Cyberverse line.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby joevill » Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:31 pm

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:45 pm

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william-james88 wrote:Who else would you have picked to fill the vyager slot for an Autobot?



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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wireless_Phantom » Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:58 pm

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Re: Full List of All Known Upcoming Transformers Siege Deluxe, Voyager and Leader Figures

Postby Wireless_Phantom » Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:03 pm

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william-james88 wrote:At this point last year, we had a very good idea at the entirety of the Power of the Primes line and due to all the listings found across various Amazon sites, it might be the same with Siege, at least for the Deluxe, Voyager and Leader Figures. We had newsed them as they came in but now we will list all the toys we know that are within the Siege line. This might not mean that this is the entirety for all classes, but it is all the listings out now for this one year line. The deluxe and voyagers output at least seems complete, as far as mainline toys go. Make of it what you will. The big entry here that people may have missed is a leader sized Optimus Prime that is slated for later in 2019.

You will notice that certain expected redecos are not listed, such as Skywarp, and the other Datsuns (Bluestreak and Smokescreen). Skywarp's current absence is reinforced by him not being present on the recent promotional material for the Decepticon releases. These may of course end up as exclusives, just like Ratchet is, or released in later lines within the War for Cybertron trilogy.

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E3520 Sideswipe
E3535 Skytread/flywheels
E3537 Hound
E3536 Cog
E3539 Chromia
E3538 Ironhide
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E4496 Red alert
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E3543 Megatron
E3544 Starscream
E3545 Soundwave
E4490 Thundercracker
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Leaders:
E3479 Ultra Magnus
E3576 Shockwave
E4522 Optimus Prime

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wireless_Phantom » Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:15 pm

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wireless_Phantom » Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:16 pm

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