Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby crash8burnt » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:21 pm

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crash8burnt wrote:Who to pick for voyager?? That's an easy choice : Ironhide! There's so many bots to fill in the deluxe and Ironhide got to be voyager class. Only Hasbro finds it hard to decided.


Thats a terrible choice since it doesnt match the height chart at all. Ironhide cant be as big as Optimus or Megatron. Looks like Hasbro is being pretty smart with this line and making Ironhide a deluxe (so the right size and at a cheaper price point) but bigger than other deluxes like Hound.


That's a terrible assumption as someone has already pointed out earlier that through the image calculation that Ironhide does appear to be the same height as Sideswipe.

Hasbro has been known to be G1 toy accurate and of poor QC, while Takara is Cartoon accurate and of better QC. But with this line, Hasbro seems to have redeemed itself. The actual figures of Sideswipe, Hound, Cog, OP and Meg all look superb. :APPLAUSE: My collections only consists of Takara's, while Hasbro's are thrown to my son or into bin. With no diff in Takara version, thought that's the end. But luckily Hasbro has other ideas. Really looking forward to this and future lines. Good job :HASBRO: ;)^
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Seibertron » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:37 pm

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crash8burnt wrote:Hasbro has been known to be G1 toy accurate and of poor QC, while Takara is Cartoon accurate and of better QC


The QC issue between Hasbro and Takara has been debunked and refuted countless times. It's in the imagination of fans and is not fact.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:58 pm

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Seibertron wrote:
crash8burnt wrote:Hasbro has been known to be G1 toy accurate and of poor QC, while Takara is Cartoon accurate and of better QC


The QC issue between Hasbro and Takara has been debunked and refuted countless times. It's in the imagination of fans and is not fact.


I knew someone would bring it up...

It's an artifact of logistics and internet reporting, really. TakaraTomy is restricted to a single country, thus less toys from them are sent out compared to Hasbro's rest of the cake. Also, not everyone chooses to access them, resulting in an even smaller sampling to pick the errors out of. What also plays is that TakaraTomy sends out their toys later than Hasbro, giving them a window to fix common errors if any are found.
Truth is, both companies use the same factories, always have, and the same resources with the same chances for errors, especially now that both companies release identical figures.

Anyway, the G1 scale chart may have influenced the scales for Siege, but they're not as accurate as the Studio Series, nor should they be. As long as any given character is bigger/smaller than another according to said chart everything is hunkydoory.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:09 pm

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Wolfman Jake wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Image


Got a bigger/higher resolution version of this chart somewhere, Willy J?

I do not, sorry


That's a shame. I would like to know what the text says under each character.

Seibertron wrote:Cog with Cog (aka Cogged Cog or Ultra Cog or Megacog or Cogatron)

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I can't believe no one said this yet. COGCEPTION!
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:33 pm

Wolfman Jake wrote:
Seibertron wrote:Cog with Cog (aka Cogged Cog or Ultra Cog or Megacog or Cogatron)

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I can't believe no one said this yet. COGCEPTION!


We have to go deeper.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:41 pm

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:44 pm

Cog has 5mm port under his feet, correct? So he can wear anothrt Cog (or any weaponizer) as boots right?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Seibertron » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:47 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I knew someone would bring it up...

It's an artifact of logistics and internet reporting, really. TakaraTomy is restricted to a single country, thus less toys from them are sent out compared to Hasbro's rest of the cake. Also, not everyone chooses to access them, resulting in an even smaller sampling to pick the errors out of. What also plays is that TakaraTomy sends out their toys later than Hasbro, giving them a window to fix common errors if any are found.

Truth is, both companies use the same factories, always have, and the same resources with the same chances for errors, especially now that both companies release identical figures.


I'm one who has hundreds (thousands?) of Takara Transformers products. They have the same problems as the Hasbro products, and in some case they have different or more problems than the Hasbro products due to extra paint apps or special die-cast parts covered in paint. You know, the very things that are supposed to "make" Takara products better than Hasbro products. Yet in reality, those things have their own issues as well. I'd take plain colored plastic over painted plastic any day with toys that transform and have moving parts.

It's accentuated further because of the higher **import** prices and because I can't just go to my local Walmart to return a faulty Takara product. Henkei products had lots of problems with the chrome, Animated figures had lots of problems with the paint apps. Binaltech figures had lots of paint wear/damage/flaking with die cast parts. The list goes on and is only as noticeable because of the aforementioned problems. I'm also extremely picky about paint and chrome apps, but any problems are easily remedied here in the States via a simple return to the originating brick-and-mortar store. Whereas with Japanese imports, I'm more-or-less stuck with whatever problems I receive unless I buy a duplicate.

Just for the record, I'm not saying Hasbro doesn't have their share of manufacturing issues, it's just easily remedied with returns whereas I can't do the same with Takara products.

Both companies each have MINOR issues typical of mass produced toys. My Masters of the Universe toys also have similar types of issues and I'm sure those of you who collect other toy lines from Hasbro or other toy companies see issues similar or unique to those toy lines.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Anyway, the G1 scale chart may have influenced the scales for Siege, but they're not as accurate as the Studio Series, nor should they be. As long as any given character is bigger/smaller than another according to said chart everything is hunkydoory.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Seibertron » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:47 pm

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Skritz wrote:Cog has 5mm port under his feet, correct? So he can wear anothrt Cog (or any weaponizer) as boots right?


Yep. More pics coming soon via the full gallery.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby starrhero » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:07 am

Sabrblade wrote:Yo Cawg!


It's time for a Cog-lamity!
I am so sorry I will cease to ever speak of Cog again.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wireless_Phantom » Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:15 am

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Seibertron wrote:
Skritz wrote:Cog has 5mm port under his feet, correct? So he can wear anothrt Cog (or any weaponizer) as boots right?


Yep. More pics coming soon via the full gallery.


I look forward to seeing what else you can mash together from them! :SG-CONS:
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wireless_Phantom » Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:25 am

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starrhero wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Yo Cawg!


It's time for a Cog-lamity!
I am so sorry I will cease to ever speak of Cog again.


A Cog-glomeration if you will. :SG-CONS:
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Agamemnon » Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:40 am

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On the Ironhide height discussion, I suppose Hasbro could have gone Voyager with Ironhide, and just made him thicker to avoid being as tall as Optimus. I'm thinking along the lines of how Animated Bulkhead (and Prime too, if I remember correctly) was a voyager, but stood shorter than even some deluxes (like Lockdown, maybe Oilslick... It's been a long time since I had those figures unpacked.)

Conversely, they could make Ironhide thinner and bring up the height in the deluxe class up a little. Just thinking out loud here... I guess my overall point is that I look for more than just height in my classes to try to match scale.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:56 pm

I can't help but think the designers knew, when they were doing the C.O.M.B.A.T. system and Weaponizers that people would abuse it and start stacking Weaponizers together or even with themselves. :lol:
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Drift082111 » Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:57 pm

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New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread

Postby william-james88 » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:16 pm

Seibertron.com continues its galleries with new ones for Transformers War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (aka Flywheels). You can click on any image below to be brought to a myriad of images showing you these toys in both their modes at different angles and poses and all the possibilities of the C.O.M.B.A.T. system which includes some COGCEPTION action. Also, you will find a lot of comparison images which is something more and more in demand due to this being the second or third go at these characters in a classics line. For instance, we can see Hound compared to the Universe 2.0 and Combiner Wars release, which looks immense by comparison.

These toys are starting to appear at Targets in the US and should be easier to find the closer we get to Black Friday and the late holiday season.


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War for Cybertron: SIEGE Sideswipe (143 images) - Deluxe Class

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War for Cybertron: SIEGE Skytread (159 images) - Deluxe Class

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Hellscream9999 » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:28 pm

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Hellscream9999 » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:29 pm

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Nickster563 » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:36 pm

Hellscream9999 wrote:So I scored Lionizer and the airstrike and military teams today at my local target, the micromasters still give me the joy I had when mini-cons first rolled up onto the scene. The little brown tank guy doesn't seem to wanna turn into tank mode due to the gray heels not linging up with his body, and the combined rocket launcher mode is pretty weak. But on their own, they're really great. The airstrike team is awesome, and the dark star saber mode is awesome. Lionizer is really fun, and I do actually like the effect he comes with, it allows for a certain level of dynamism from displays, that it wouldn't achieve without it.

Wait micromasters being found in the us? I dont think thats been reported yet before!
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Lore Keeper » Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:00 pm

Hellscream9999 wrote:So I scored Lionizer and the airstrike and military teams today at my local target, the micromasters still give me the joy I had when mini-cons first rolled up onto the scene. The little brown tank guy doesn't seem to wanna turn into tank mode due to the gray heels not linging up with his body, and the combined rocket launcher mode is pretty weak. But on their own, they're really great. The airstrike team is awesome, and the dark star saber mode is awesome. Lionizer is really fun, and I do actually like the effect he comes with, it allows for a certain level of dynamism from displays, that it wouldn't achieve without it.

Good sir, might I inquire as to which state you currently occupy? The US is a big place afterall.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Hellscream9999 » Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:07 pm

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Hellscream9999 wrote:So I scored Lionizer and the airstrike and military teams today at my local target, the micromasters still give me the joy I had when mini-cons first rolled up onto the scene. The little brown tank guy doesn't seem to wanna turn into tank mode due to the gray heels not linging up with his body, and the combined rocket launcher mode is pretty weak. But on their own, they're really great. The airstrike team is awesome, and the dark star saber mode is awesome. Lionizer is really fun, and I do actually like the effect he comes with, it allows for a certain level of dynamism from displays, that it wouldn't achieve without it.

Good sir, might I inquire as to which state you currently occupy? The US is a big place afterall.

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Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:21 pm

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:05 pm

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Nice galleries, particularly Cog. And good that for Hound's gallery you remembered Universe Hound this time. Now if you could just get in a comparison of Siege Optimus and Combiner Wars Optimus :-P

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The QC issue between Hasbro and Takara has been debunked and refuted countless times. It's in the imagination of fans and is not fact.

THANK YOU. I really wish this myth would go away, I know I blocked at least one person on here because they were incessantly whining "Waa Waaa Hasbwo pwastic am dollar store KO plastic waaa!"

I remember perusing the Legends thread and seeing as much griping over inconsistent QC is I saw praise. Particularly regarding Super Ginrai.

If my information is correct, it's Takara who oversees the factories for both theirs and Hasbro's releases, so...
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:23 pm

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The new gallery for Siege Hound has pretty much made up my mind. I'm going to pass on Siege Hound. It's not that it doesn't look like a great figure (and really, it looks awesome), but I think my Autobots: Specialist repaint of Universe 2008 Hound is still the best G1 Hound update available. The only flaw that figure has is the weird yellow painted optics. I fixed that by swapping the clear blue light-piping plastic between the Specialist version and the Universe version. Now I've got a great Hound with cartoon accurate colors, paint apps, and blue eyes!

Seeing that Universe 2008 Hound and Siege Hound are pretty much the same height was enough for me. Universe 2008 Hound was always a little undersized compared to many of his Deluxe Class contemporaries from Classics, Universe, and the earlier years of Generations, due to some of his plastic allocation going to the additional Ravage accessory figure (which, too, is still one of the best renditions of G1 Ravage we have in figure form that's not a Masterpiece figure). That has paid off in the long run for the Universe Hound mold as he fits right in with the smaller Deluxes from recent years, scaling perfectly with any Deluxe Class figure from the Prime Wars trilogy or from the new War for Cybertron: Siege line.

If all one had was the Universe 2008 Hasbro release of Hound, though, I'd not think it a bad choice to "upgrade" to Siege Hound. The green color is so much better on the new Siege figure, compared to the pea soup green plastic from 2008. The Henkei version from Takara, I think, still edges out the new Siege version, though.

I'm really interested to see what Hasbro and Takara can do with Mirage. That's another figure where I think the Autobot: Specialist set gave us a nearly perfect G1 deco on a nearly perfect G1 updated sculpt. Siege Mirage will have to blow me away to if I'm going to replace Specialist Mirage in my collection.
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Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE

Postby Seibertron » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:10 am

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Last month at New York Comic-Con 2018, Hasbro held a Transformers War for Cybertron SIEGE unboxing event for a small group from the Transformers "Press". The products available for us to unbox were Wave 1 Deluxe Class (Cog, Sideswipe, Hound and Skytread), Voyager Class (Optimus Prime and Megatron), Micromasters (Air Strike Patrol, Battle Patrol and Race Car Patrol) and Battle Masters (Lionizer, Firedrive and Blowpipe).

At the time, this was our first time seeing Megatron, Skytread and Blowpipe, which was really cool since they had not been publicly unveiled yet. We were able to open up the toys from their packages, transform them, pose them and takes lots of pictures and videos to share with all of you at a later date.

Most of these pictures and videos have been outdone by in-hand pictures and videos of the figures since they started hitting retail in the past week. However, seeing all of these products in-hand in one video alongside multiple versions of the same toy is still pretty cool, especially for a new product line.

Later in the day, the Decepticons such as Soundwave, Ravage, Laserbeak, Brunt, Refraktor (Reflector), Shockwave and Starscream were also unveiled which can be seen in this news article from NYCC 2018. If you would like to see more images of the Autobots, you can see Ultra Magnus, Ironhide, and Chromia who were revealed this past summer at SDCC 2018, which you can view here.

Below is a small sample of the 140+ image gallery below. You can click on any of those images to view the full gallery. In addition, you can watch our video from the event below from Seibertron.com's YouTube Channel.

If you've missed out on our recent War for Cybertron galleries, you can view the War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class galleries and Voyager Class Optimus Prime and Megatron galleries.



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