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Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Flashwave » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:12 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Skritz wrote:I've been thinking: do any of you think Brunt might get retooled into Slammer? Granted that would mean two weaponizers associated with Metroplex.


With a new turret and chest piece that actually may work. That work result in new legs as well actually:

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With Hasbro's recent penchant forco tools pre tools part sharing to minimize costs, it's certainly possible, but grunts turret is also Brent's legs, so simply retooling the turret is not as easy as simply retooling turret
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:14 pm

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Flashwave wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Skritz wrote:I've been thinking: do any of you think Brunt might get retooled into Slammer? Granted that would mean two weaponizers associated with Metroplex.


With a new turret and chest piece that actually may work. That work result in new legs as well actually:

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With Hasbro's recent penchant forco tools pre tools part sharing to minimize costs, it's certainly possible, but grunts turret is also Brent's legs, so simply retooling the turret is not as easy as simply retooling turret


It's not so much retooling as it is switching out parts, as the Weaponizers are, by their very nature, partsformers.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Emerje » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:08 pm

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I had mentioned previously that if they did do Slammer out of Brunt then the colors would make him more accurate to the Centurion Droids that the mold is based on.

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They could take the opportunity to make the lower legs a little more accurate (not that they're drastically inaccurate or anything), it's not like they can make it look exactly like Slammer's barrel where it's so skinny. They can replace the round part of the turret with something squarer while they're at it.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Ultra Markus » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:38 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Skritz wrote:I've been thinking: do any of you think Brunt might get retooled into Slammer? Granted that would mean two weaponizers associated with Metroplex.


With a new turret and chest piece that actually may work. That work result in new legs as well actually:

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they should also make scamper a deluxe while they are at it
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:53 am

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^I don't know that Scamper needs to be a Deluxe. With Full-Tilt it was a necessity because he's Trypticon's breastplate - make Trypticon bigger and he has to be bigger too.

I don't think a Slammer retool of Brunt would really work. Slammer is a more Earthly tank by a country mile, all tread with no separate is a uniform width along his whole body. I'd embed a picture, but apparently we don't have a G1 Metroplex gallery yet, so have a TFwiki link:
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:G1Slammer_toy.jpg

Maybe my fears about the sizes aren't as bad as I'd thought, but then again maybe they are.. I would like some help being sure. Can somebody please photograph Siege Sideswipe with some Cybertron and Prime Wars deluxes, and Siege Optimus with Combiner Wars Optimus? Or at the very least measure them from sole of foot to top of head with a ruler so I can do the comparing myself?

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Amelie wrote:Its possible the backs of the arms had to be hollow because of how the toy was being cast\molded.


Thank you for bringing up casting, as that's the only real way to create the arms as a single piece.

What needs to be kept in mind is that casting 3-dimensional objects with a hollow interior, like an egg, can not be done as everything is a heavy solid chunk: you'd have to separate the halves and cast those. Of course that'd require more molds with drives up the cost for material, plus extra assembly. The hollow arms are a necessary evil here.

Thiiiiisss. This is also why we get exposed hollow thighs - it lets them be cast as a single piece, which is less cost and less effort when cutting the molds (the absolute most expensive part of the manufacturing process bar none). And at least Hasbro has learned to get interesting with hollow thighs by including things like sculpted shocks in the hollow side (just look at Titans Return Hot Rod). Hollows are a price of economical manufacture, and they've been with the line since the start:
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Even on that most legendary and cherished of G1 toys. (Also, we apparently don't have a gallery for G1 Jazz either).

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And while we're on the subject, behold what I think remain the most severe examples of exposed mold hollows in Transformers history: Cybertron Optimus Prime's calf cannons. Don't think these have been topped yet, and they don't make him any less awesome.

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Ultra Markus wrote:what im wondering is wheres the legends class figures, i get the two micromasters = one legends but,
why dont we get cybertronian versions of the minibots how cool would that be :-?
There is no Legends class in this line because of the Micromasters. But, Bumblebee with his saucer altmode has been alluded to as a possibility for this line, so if we get him, he'll probably be in the Deluxe class somehow. Maybe a tiny Deluxe with a big accessory a la TLK Sqweeks.

Saucer mode bumblebee is all I would really care for in this line
Besides this is a trilogy maybe one segment will have earth modes and chances are the other guys may show up later

Saucercar (Never forget that's still a car mode - it ends up being crippled by having a wheel shot off) Bumblebee would probably end up needing to be a Deluxe for the sake of the big saucer wings.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:43 pm

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No Siege figures have shown up in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota so far. The hype just keeps building, though! I want to get my paws on these sooner rather than later, even though I'm still looking for PotP Optimal Optimus at brick and mortar retail! :BANG_HEAD:
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Emerje » Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:57 pm

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Wolfman Jake wrote:No Siege figures have shown up in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota so far. The hype just keeps building, though! I want to get my paws on these sooner rather than later, even though I'm still looking for PotP Optimal Optimus at brick and mortar retail! :BANG_HEAD:

Yeah, I've struck out on both checking two different Targets here in Maine since Friday (Portland and Augusta). Really want to get my hands on some Siege figures even though I still have a few PotP guys to pick up.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby DeathReviews » Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:45 pm

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Anyone remember, not long ago, when Hasbro ended Transformers Animated, both the TV show and the toy line? They said it was to clear the way for the next live action movie. They claimed that customers and fans would get 'confused' if there were two different lines of Transformer figures on shelves at the same time.

So.... what happened to that excuse?

How many Transformers lines are there on store shelves now? We got the last of Power of the Primes. We've got the new Bumblebee movie figures. We got the "Studio Series" figures. We've got G1 re-issues. We've got the entire "Cyberverse" line. We've still got the Rescue line, and we've also got "Botbots". And now Siege is turning up in stores. All on the shelves. All at the same time.

Sure seems that somewhere over time, Hasbro got over thinking that customers would get all 'confused' if there were multiple figure lines on the shelves. Not that I'm complaining about the current wealth of choices, but I'm still resentful that they cancelled TFA, one of their best shows/figure lines ever, by using a cheesy excuse that they seem to be utterly ignoring now.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:55 pm

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DeathReviews wrote:Anyone remember, not long ago, when Hasbro ended Transformers Animated, both the TV show and the toy line? They said it was to clear the way for the next live action movie. They claimed that customers and fans would get 'confused' if there were two different lines of Transformer figures on shelves at the same time.

So.... what happened to that excuse?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:00 pm

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DeathReviews wrote:Anyone remember, not long ago, when Hasbro ended Transformers Animated, both the TV show and the toy line? They said it was to clear the way for the next live action movie. They claimed that customers and fans would get 'confused' if there were two different lines of Transformer figures on shelves at the same time.

So.... what happened to that excuse?


Those movies have now elevated that brand to a household name unlike ever before. Optimus Prime and Bumblebee are now as known as Batman, Spider-man, Mario and Darth Vader. So now the idea is to keep having product all shelves all the time. The marketting mandate has gone a full 180.

Sabrblade wrote:That was Aaron Archer's brand team. John Warden's brand team plays by their own rules nowadays.


John Warden is not the brand manager, he is the design manager for the movie and generations lines. The marketting mandate I wrote of above is at a higher level than him.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:34 pm

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Emerje wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:No Siege figures have shown up in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota so far. The hype just keeps building, though! I want to get my paws on these sooner rather than later, even though I'm still looking for PotP Optimal Optimus at brick and mortar retail! :BANG_HEAD:

Yeah, I've struck out on both checking two different Targets here in Maine since Friday (Portland and Augusta). Really want to get my hands on some Siege figures even though I still have a few PotP guys to pick up.

Emerje


Guess what! I decided to try another Target that I don't frequent often on my way home from work (going just a bit out of my way to do so by taking an alternate route). The gambit paid off, though! No, I didn't find any trace of Siege, but I did finally find Optimal Optimus! :D

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Now with my Power of the Primes collection complete, I'm rarin' to go for Siege! I'm hoping to see something around here before the end of the month.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Emerje » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:50 am

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Wolfman Jake wrote:Now with my Power of the Primes collection complete, I'm rarin' to go for Siege! I'm hoping to see something around here before the end of the month.

Congrats! Unfortunately I only have have one local store I can check, I think there's 5 Targets total in the whole state so I'll just have to keep waiting for OpOp and Siege stuff to show up.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:46 pm

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I tried Brickseek for the first time, using the Target DPCI codes for WfC: Siege that have been posted here in the past few weeks. All of the Target stores in the Twin Cities list each figure from Wave 1 as "Out of Stock." If I'm right, that doesn't mean these stores have ever actually had any Siege products "In Stock" as of yet, but the fact that they are showing up in the inventory tracker now may mean they will be getting them very soon, or are at least ready to receive them any time now.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Cobotron » Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:35 pm

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Wolfman Jake wrote:I tried Brickseek for the first time, using the Target DPCI codes for WfC: Siege that have been posted here in the past few weeks. All of the Target stores in the Twin Cities list each figure from Wave 1 as "Out of Stock." If I'm right, that doesn't mean these stores have ever actually had any Siege products "In Stock" as of yet, but the fact that they are showing up in the inventory tracker now may mean they will be getting them very soon, or are at least ready to receive them any time now.

It shows the same here in the Omaha area. I interpret it the same. Not in yet, but ready to be received. By Target.... AND ME!!!!!
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:29 pm

Cobotron wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:I tried Brickseek for the first time, using the Target DPCI codes for WfC: Siege that have been posted here in the past few weeks. All of the Target stores in the Twin Cities list each figure from Wave 1 as "Out of Stock." If I'm right, that doesn't mean these stores have ever actually had any Siege products "In Stock" as of yet, but the fact that they are showing up in the inventory tracker now may mean they will be getting them very soon, or are at least ready to receive them any time now.

It shows the same here in the Omaha area. I interpret it the same. Not in yet, but ready to be received. By Target.... AND ME!!!!!


I'm not sure sure. I found the Battle masters today (Chicago area) at a Target that showed them out of stock on Brickseek. Had to be a full case. They were on the same pegs as Octopunch, Bomb Burst and Bludgeon.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:17 pm

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DeathReviews wrote:Anyone remember, not long ago, when Hasbro ended Transformers Animated, both the TV show and the toy line? They said it was to clear the way for the next live action movie. They claimed that customers and fans would get 'confused' if there were two different lines of Transformer figures on shelves at the same time.

So.... what happened to that excuse?

How many Transformers lines are there on store shelves now? We got the last of Power of the Primes. We've got the new Bumblebee movie figures. We got the "Studio Series" figures. We've got G1 re-issues. We've got the entire "Cyberverse" line. We've still got the Rescue line, and we've also got "Botbots". And now Siege is turning up in stores. All on the shelves. All at the same time.

Sure seems that somewhere over time, Hasbro got over thinking that customers would get all 'confused' if there were multiple figure lines on the shelves. Not that I'm complaining about the current wealth of choices, but I'm still resentful that they canceled TFA, one of their best shows/figure lines ever, by using a cheesy excuse that they seem to be utterly ignoring now.


If it's anything like the GI Joe films, it was more like Paramount telling Hasbro there can't be any confusion. Remember folks missed out on getting Human Alliance Soundwave easily because Paramount insisted it be released as a late wave figure. Food for thought, we have multiple lines on the shelves at the same time as movie figures and for the last two lines, later waves didn't make it to main retail shelves in some cases. Also, some stores won't stock non-movie figures too.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby AcademyofDrX » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:44 pm

There are a lot of factors that go into the cancellation of animated series, so I wouldn't get too hung up on trying to parse old interviews to Frankenstein a narrative to explain it. Most children's animated tv has a lifecycle of approximately three years because the audience ages out of the target demographic, and the hope is that a new show will capture the new audience. Prime, RiD, Cyberverse have all had fit into that same cycle.

More on topic, Hasbro clearly intends to keep multiple product lines targeting multiple audiences across many brands and licenses. This isn't specific to TF: I consider Generations as a comparable product to Marvel Legends and Star Wars: the Black Series. That trend of higher quality toys ideal for the collector market largely post-dates TFA, so the excuse at the time still could have been valid then.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Lore Keeper » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:34 am

Cobotron wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:I tried Brickseek for the first time, using the Target DPCI codes for WfC: Siege that have been posted here in the past few weeks. All of the Target stores in the Twin Cities list each figure from Wave 1 as "Out of Stock." If I'm right, that doesn't mean these stores have ever actually had any Siege products "In Stock" as of yet, but the fact that they are showing up in the inventory tracker now may mean they will be getting them very soon, or are at least ready to receive them any time now.

It shows the same here in the Omaha area. I interpret it the same. Not in yet, but ready to be received. By Target.... AND ME!!!!!

Can anyone actually confirm the DCPIs showing in stock at all? I've checked in zip codes where sightings are taking place, and everything shows out of stock. Supposed group DCPIs that Target normally use are just giving me "no results found".
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Lore Keeper » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:01 pm

I'll answer my own question with a confirmation. Just picked up the full assortments of Battle Masters and Micromasters at the Mount Laurel, NJ Target. They do not show as in stock on Brickseek, but if you ask an associate to run the DCPIs, they'll show up. No other size classes were available at the time.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby X3ROhour » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:34 pm

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Wolfman Jake wrote:No Siege figures have shown up in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota so far. The hype just keeps building, though! I want to get my paws on these sooner rather than later, even though I'm still looking for PotP Optimal Optimus at brick and mortar retail! :BANG_HEAD:

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:22 am

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Just an aside since it's been brought up; Classics Sideswipe drew more from the Alternators design than G1, whereas Siege Sideswipe draws heavily from G1, almost to the point of being a $20 Masterpiece
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:10 am

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Which makes it even worse that he's an apparent midget, IMO. I say apparent because I could potentially be misjudging the size comparisons.

If someone could please be arsed to photograph him amongst Titans Return and Unicron Trilogy deluxes, or even just measure his height with a ruler, that would be very helpful. Or did you all sacrifice your ability to use rulers to get the blessing for comments on your threads? </insane sleep-deprivation-induced speculation>
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Postby Lore Keeper » Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:52 am

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Which makes it even worse that he's an apparent midget, IMO.

Um, they prefer the term differently heighted, mmmkay?
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Postby Wireless_Phantom » Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:17 am

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Lore Keeper wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Which makes it even worse that he's an apparent midget, IMO.

Um, they prefer the term differently heighted, mmmkay?


That sounds a lot like a Huffer quote to me. :SG-CONS:
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby AcademyofDrX » Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:11 am

@Zelda You've probably already seen this comparison, but if not:
https://twitter.com/Barricade64/status/ ... 99552?s=19
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