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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:36 am

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Emerje wrote:That's 14 figures to PotPs 13 Deluxe so it isn't likely there'll be another Deluxe in this line. We might actually get two figures in wave 4 this time, can't picture them doing five in wave 3. Probably Barricade and Red Alert since they're repaints.


A couple things... the number of *13* PotP deluxes is only the most basic general release number for the United States, other deluxes which were specific retailer exclusives for the US, were regular releases in other countries. Also, do we know for sure that Mirage & Impactor will be standard regular releases? I thought because of the fan poll, they would be an exclusive two-pack or something...???
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Sentinel_Primal » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:41 am

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Emerje wrote:That's 14 figures to PotPs 13 Deluxe so it isn't likely there'll be another Deluxe in this line. We might actually get two figures in wave 4 this time, can't picture them doing five in wave 3. Probably Barricade and Red Alert since they're repaints.


A couple things... the number of *13* PotP deluxes is only the most basic general release number for the United States, other deluxes which were specific retailer exclusives for the US, were regular releases in other countries. Also, do we know for sure that Mirage & Impactor will be standard regular releases? I thought because of the fan poll, they would be an exclusive two-pack or something...???

It was confirmed that they'd be the standard single releases
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby leokearon » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:51 am

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby leokearon » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:52 am

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Emerje wrote:I would be super excited for a new Jhiaxus figure. And a proper one this time, not another orange repaint of another figure.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:54 am

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Sentinel_Primal wrote:It was confirmed that they'd be the standard single releases


Well that's good to know, they will probably be the last wave then. Hopefully they will be more readily available than the *super-late-blink-and-you'll-miss-it" Optimal Optimus.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:40 am

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Bear in mind, the Chromia and Prowl in these vids are almost certainly stolen samples that may not have been 100% finished (I assume the battle damage is a finishing touch), and the ones we see at retail could actually have battle damage.


The SDCC samples had no battle damage either.


I do remember some official renders from Hasbro showing Prowl with some "scratches" on the black paint of his front hood/bumper. I bet the details are there, but hard to spot at first, like with Cog, or these really are unfinished factory samples, as Zelda said. After the initial reveals for Siege, Hasbro seems to have dialed back a bit on the battle damage paint, but I don't think they've abandoned it altogether.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:55 am

Just a few facts to answer some questions:

1. Prowl did have scuff marks in his original renders (you can see them on the chest)
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2. It really looks like there will only be 3 leaders in Siege. I read that suppliers did confirm that on other message baords. This is of coruse only relating to mainline non exclusive toys.

3. The best comparson to final wave deluxes and how that will be distributed would be the Novastar was from POTP.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Adimus Prime » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:27 pm

Prowl should arrest this YouTuber for using that background music.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:47 pm

william-james88 wrote:2. It really looks like there will only be 3 leaders in Siege. I read that suppliers did confirm that on other message boards. This is of course only relating to mainline non exclusive toys.


I actually believe Hasbro may be pulling back on the leader class overall for retail releases.
For regular retail releases:
Combiner Wars was 6 Leaders across 3 molds for a 18 month line. And the result was Skywarp shelfwarming pretty bad.
Titans Return was 6 leaders across 4-5 molds for an 18 month line, depending on how you count Sky Shadow/Overlord. And the result was Overlord at heavy Discount for those lucky enough to have an Ollie's.
PotP was 4 leaders across 3 molds for a 12 month line. And the result was Optimus Primal, the fan vote, not really hitting retail until it was almost time for clearance.

What I'm seeing is that apparently Leader class figures just don't move as well in general at regular release. As a parent, this actually makes all the sense in the world to me. I'm not dropping $50 on a toy for one of my kids unless I know they are way into it, have a collection, etc. And even then a $50 toy would almost certainly be reserved for birthday/Christmas, or if they saved up their own money. That would mean that the main buyer for leader class would generally be a collector (adult or kid) as opposed to a casual fan/parent where dropping $20 on a smaller figure would make more sense.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Hip-Hoptimus Rime » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:51 pm

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I picked up Siege Megatron yesterday, and he's missing one of the little gray wheels under his treads. Doesn't matter to me, I'm taking them off anyway, but I don't recall a QC issue like this on a Hasbro toy... pretty much ever. Hm.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby RodimusConvoy13 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:52 pm

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Hip-Hoptimus Rime wrote:I picked up Siege Megatron yesterday, and he's missing one of the little gray wheels under his treads. Doesn't matter to me, I'm taking them off anyway, but I don't recall a QC issue like this on a Hasbro toy... pretty much ever. Hm.


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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:56 pm

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RodimusConvoy13 wrote:My Titans Return Megatron was missing a wheel.


...and the Joker got away... Hey!
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby RodimusConvoy13 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:58 pm

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o.supreme wrote:
RodimusConvoy13 wrote:My Titans Return Megatron was missing a wheel.


...and the Joker got away... Hey!


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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Hip-Hoptimus Rime » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:07 pm

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:13 pm

TF-fan kev777 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:2. It really looks like there will only be 3 leaders in Siege. I read that suppliers did confirm that on other message boards. This is of course only relating to mainline non exclusive toys.


I actually believe Hasbro may be pulling back on the leader class overall for retail releases.
For regular retail releases:
Combiner Wars was 6 Leaders across 3 molds for a 18 month line. And the result was Skywarp shelfwarming pretty bad.
Titans Return was 6 leaders across 4-5 molds for an 18 month line, depending on how you count Sky Shadow/Overlord. And the result was Overlord at heavy Discount for those lucky enough to have an Ollie's.
PotP was 4 leaders across 3 molds for a 12 month line. And the result was Optimus Primal, the fan vote, not really hitting retail until it was almost time for clearance.

What I'm seeing is that apparently Leader class figures just don't move as well in general at regular release. As a parent, this actually makes all the sense in the world to me. I'm not dropping $50 on a toy for one of my kids unless I know they are way into it, have a collection, etc. And even then a $50 toy would almost certainly be reserved for birthday/Christmas, or if they saved up their own money. That would mean that the main buyer for leader class would generally be a collector (adult or kid) as opposed to a casual fan/parent where dropping $20 on a smaller figure would make more sense.


That's a fairly accurate assessment; Leader Class figures aren't the material of 'impulse buy' from parents/kids. They cost too much for a casual purchase. Combine this with most recent Leaders not being a bankable character to casual audiences and parents (Rodimus, Optimus Primal, all the TR Leaders not Powermaster Prime) and that's how you get shelfwarming Sixshot and Overlord who should be, by all account, fairly decent figures which a kid would like. But the kids don't know them enough to be really invested into them and the parents see them as too pricy.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Flashwave » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:44 pm

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TF-fan kev777 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:2. It really looks like there will only be 3 leaders in Siege. I read that suppliers did confirm that on other message boards. This is of course only relating to mainline non exclusive toys.


I actually believe Hasbro may be pulling back on the leader class overall for retail releases.
For regular retail releases:
Combiner Wars was 6 Leaders across 3 molds for a 18 month line. And the result was Skywarp shelfwarming pretty bad.
Titans Return was 6 leaders across 4-5 molds for an 18 month line, depending on how you count Sky Shadow/Overlord. And the result was Overlord at heavy Discount for those lucky enough to have an Ollie's.
PotP was 4 leaders across 3 molds for a 12 month line. And the result was Optimus Primal, the fan vote, not really hitting retail until it was almost time for clearance.

What I'm seeing is that apparently Leader class figures just don't move as well in general at regular release. As a parent, this actually makes all the sense in the world to me. I'm not dropping $50 on a toy for one of my kids unless I know they are way into it, have a collection, etc. And even then a $50 toy would almost certainly be reserved for birthday/Christmas, or if they saved up their own money. That would mean that the main buyer for leader class would generally be a collector (adult or kid) as opposed to a casual fan/parent where dropping $20 on a smaller figure would make more sense.


I agree with most of what you are saying, Hasbro pulling back, Retailers not as interested in big ticket TFs, but I wouldnt be as quick to count Overlord and Primal, simply because they were something of a victim of circumstance. For Overlord, the Ollie's Stock came from TRU, and there were quite a few Sky Shadows in that mix as well. (Sadly, I never got one...) Primal cpuld be the Retailers not ordering stock or it could be Hasbro was late getting him out, but either way I am still more inclined to blame Distribution thsn lack of interest. Although to be fair, Optimal Optimus did not have thr fandom jumping up and down like Prime and Rodimus did.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:09 pm

Flashwave wrote:I agree with most of what you are saying, Hasbro pulling back, Retailers not as interested in big ticket TFs, but I wouldnt be as quick to count Overlord and Primal, simply because they were something of a victim of circumstance. For Overlord, the Ollie's Stock came from TRU, and there were quite a few Sky Shadows in that mix as well. (Sadly, I never got one...) Primal cpuld be the Retailers not ordering stock or it could be Hasbro was late getting him out, but either way I am still more inclined to blame Distribution thsn lack of interest. Although to be fair, Optimal Optimus did not have thr fandom jumping up and down like Prime and Rodimus did.

Which is pretty crazy considering he was the fan vote. But yes, of the 3 leaders, I think he was the most poorly recieved as none of his modes were deemed better than the other two molds.

I just wanted to say that any distribution problem with Primal could not come from hasbro being late since the product was already appearing in other markets at the designated time.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:11 pm

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Not saying you guys are wrong, but I don't seem to be living in a world of "shelf warming leaders", not since CW Skywarp at least. If I had not purchased TR Sixshot and Overlord on first sight, there's a good chance I would not have them.

However, If they are scaling back in production all around with Leader Class, I can agree that would be a wise choice, they only made 2 Leaders in the first year of SS, and considering there is only one chain in my area that carries them (Target), that limits their availability, as they are constantly going in-and-out of stock. Also this is good, because hopefully the 2019 Leaders (Jetfire & DotM Megatorn) will be *easier* to find, for those that want them.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:29 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:I would love it if the other lines in the Trilogy gave us some figures for seldom-represented characters from G1, since John Warden is so focused on that era. Straxus and Thunderwing come to mind immediately, with at least Straxus being leader class. I know it's an impossible wish, but one can dream.

Straxus as Leader-class and not Thunderwing?
Him too, but Straxus for sure. He was larger (both taller and bulkier), despite T-wing being a Pretender. And that's another gimmick that could be updated in the upcoming lines, the Pretenders. With today's engineering technology, it certainly can be done.

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To my knowledge Straxus was only ever between the Seekers and the Insecticons in size. Where was he bigger?

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RodimusConvoy13 wrote:My Titans Return Megatron was missing a wheel.


...and the Joker got away... Hey!

Nah, that would be if Cybertron Megatron was missing a wheel:
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Emerje » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:32 pm

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o.supreme wrote:A couple things... the number of *13* PotP deluxes is only the most basic general release number for the United States, other deluxes which were specific retailer exclusives for the US, were regular releases in other countries.

Only Japan really deviated from the assortments and that isn't Hasbro. There were a few small markets like Hong Kong and Taiwan that got Punch/Counterpunch and Wreck-Gar, but that's more about Hasbro giving up on trying to figure out how to make them exclusives and just tossing them out there and as far as I know they didn't change the assortments around to accommodate them.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby carytheone » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:22 pm

Motto: "shelf space may be fleeting, but plastic is forever"
So I swung by a local Target on my way home today and the Siege truly has begun!

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Something did seem off though :-?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby starrhero » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:07 pm

carytheone wrote:So I swung by a local Target on my way home today and the Siege truly has begun!

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Something did seem off though :-?


Did someone actually swap the figure?!

This is the first time I've ever actually seen this happen. I've only ever heard of it via the TFWiki.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:19 pm

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote: :???: :???: :???:
To my knowledge Straxus was only ever between the Seekers and the Insecticons in size. Where was he bigger?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:23 pm

Looks voyager class to me
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Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:24 pm

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carytheone wrote:So I swung by a local Target on my way home today and the Siege truly has begun!

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Something did seem off though :-?

4th time in the past few months I have seen this. These types of folks deserve to be struck in the parking lot
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