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[Carnivius_Prime]

*long list*

and Studio Series now has 4 unique Leader molds (Grimlock, Blackout, Jetfire, DotM Megatron) though is into it's second year.

[Dannshinigami]

Siege is only the first part of a trilogy so they dont want to jump the shark so to speak and put all the good stuff in this line and deter from the 2 lines to follow.

[ZeroWolf]

Siege is only the first part of a trilogy so they dont want to jump the shark so to speak and put all the good stuff in this line and deter from the 2 lines to follow.

I think the second and third parts will follow suite as far as composition goes. Especially sticking with scale, we may see more Voyagers with extras to fill out three leader slots

[Emerje]

*long list*

and Studio Series now has 4 unique Leader molds (Grimlock, Blackout, Jetfire, DotM Megatron) though is into it's second year.

Yeah, which puts PotP ahead of Studio Series since PotP got three new Leader molds in one year and SS is getting four Leaders in two years (maybe three years, we've only had a small preview of SS in 2020). Heck, if you look at some of the other lines in terms of how long they lasted as opposed to just how many Leaders they have PotP was a real stand out for new molds in a single year.

Emerje

[Ironhidensh]

What’s with the partsforming hate? Seriously it’s been around for 35 years. When did being negative about something that’s literally nothing become a dirty word? I don’t understand people who say complain about it. especially when the gimmick of weaponizers in their line is they come apart to become modular weapons and armor.

I've got an answer for you.

While we as adult collectors can easily keep track of pieces, children can't. This is a line for kids, and I'm actually giving them to my kids. They've already lost a piece if Dog and one of Magnus's shoulder armor. I'm sure it will all be found one day, but the point remains, parts forming makes for easily lost pieces, and that makes headaches for a parent. I hate parts forming far more now than I did before kids. Then, it was just slightly annoying.

[ZeroWolf]

What’s with the partsforming hate? Seriously it’s been around for 35 years. When did being negative about something that’s literally nothing become a dirty word? I don’t understand people who say complain about it. especially when the gimmick of weaponizers in their line is they come apart to become modular weapons and armor.

I've got an answer for you.

While we as adult collectors can easily keep track of pieces, children can't. This is a line for kids, and I'm actually hid In ? Them to my kids. They've already lost a piece if Dog and one of Magnus's shoulder armor. I'm sure it will all be found one day, but the point remains, parts forming makes for easily lost pieces, and that makes headaches for a parent. I hate parts forming far more now than I did before kids. Then, it was just slightly annoying.

Wasn't this the reason parents weren't keen on headmasters on the past and why Energon Omega Supreme ended up having a spare head built into his neck incase the headmaster was ever lost?

[jtanimator]

Glad they're repacking this guy. He deserves ALL the attention he can get. I was just so lucky to pick him up at my local Walmart a week ago and I haven't loved a figure this much in a LONG time. People are complaining that he's too small, and yes, he is essentially a slightly upgraded voyager, but gosh dang it if he's not 100% worth it. He's sturdy, got great detail, TONS of playability, a fun transformation, and that extra set of robot arms may just be the coolest armor upgrade I've ever seen on a decepticon. Not to mention that hover board made from his armor just looks tight af. Both him and UM are top grade in every way. If downsizing your leader classes means getting this level of quality, by all means Hasbro, carry on.

[Cyber Bishop]

And I don't know if anyone realizes this but they only ship two leaders at a time in the box. When I had a Target employee bring me a box I thought he was joking as it was only Magnus and Shockwave.

[Randomhero]

What’s with the partsforming hate? Seriously it’s been around for 35 years. When did being negative about something that’s literally nothing become a dirty word? I don’t understand people who say complain about it. especially when the gimmick of weaponizers in their line is they come apart to become modular weapons and armor.

I've got an answer for you.

While we as adult collectors can easily keep track of pieces, children can't. This is a line for kids, and I'm actually giving them to my kids. They've already lost a piece if Dog and one of Magnus's shoulder armor. I'm sure it will all be found one day, but the point remains, parts forming makes for easily lost pieces, and that makes headaches for a parent. I hate parts forming far more now than I did before kids. Then, it was just slightly annoying.

Dude this is transformers. Adult fan don’t give a damn about kids. There’s people who think we are the primary buyers of this stuff and kids don’t play with these. There’s people who believe hasbro only makes stuff for 30+ adults and act entitled and say they deserve better quality.

Kudos that you want to give these to your kids and don’t want them losing parts but your a sliver of the fandom that’s the vocal minority. When you see parts forming about 3rd parties, those arnt people wanting to hand it off
Tomoids.

[Randomhero]

Stupid phone double posting

[Nathaniel Prime]

Glad they're repacking this guy. He deserves ALL the attention he can get. I was just so lucky to pick him up at my local Walmart a week ago and I haven't loved a figure this much in a LONG time. People are complaining that he's too small, and yes, he is essentially a slightly upgraded voyager, but gosh dang it if he's not 100% worth it. He's sturdy, got great detail, TONS of playability, a fun transformation, and that extra set of robot arms may just be the coolest armor upgrade I've ever seen on a decepticon. Not to mention that hover board made from his armor just looks tight af. Both him and UM are top grade in every way. If downsizing your leader classes means getting this level of quality, by all means Hasbro, carry on.

I haven't seen anyone complain this much about the 3rd party legends class figures that go for 40-60$! I really justify the price if it means getting a nicely scaled, detailed, articulated figure of a 'con who just hasn't gotten the right amount of pizzazz over the years. Really, I don't think he deserves nearly as much hate as he does now, but that's my opinion I guess. I'd get him if I weren't on such a tight budget, but that's literally the only reason why I might not get him.

[Carnivius_Prime]

People are complaining that he's too small, and yes, he is essentially a slightly upgraded voyager

No the size is absolutely fine, the fact he's sold at Leader class for a cruddy accessory is the main problem. Makes him a total rip off since cos of that thing he costs the same as two Voyager figures when he himself is voyager sized
Using Kapow website as prices here in UK.

Optimus Prime £24.99
Megatron £24.99
Shockwave £49.99
(and I've seen Prime and Megatron for a couple quid cheaper on other places too)

but gosh dang it if he's not 100% worth it. He's sturdy, got great detail, TONS of playability, a fun transformation, and that extra set of robot arms may just be the coolest armor upgrade I've ever seen on a decepticon.

Nah it looks goofy as hell and makes the otherwise cool looking Shockwave figure look super silly. But then I never understood the appeal of covering the absolutely fine (for the time) Powermaster Prime with the awful gaudy Godbomber armour in that Ginrai set (both original G1 and the Titans version)

[Lore Keeper]

I noticed a lot of the posts keeping track of how many leaders we get in each line downplaying retools in the count. There's nothing wrong with a retool if it's done well. I absolutely count them toward the total count of leader class figures in a toyline. Without retools, we wouldn't have the amazing Sky Shadow or Nemesis Prime.

[Carnivius_Prime]

I noticed a lot of the posts keeping track of how many leaders we get in each line downplaying retools in the count. There's nothing wrong with a retool if it's done well. I absolutely count them toward the total count of leader class figures in a toyline. Without retools, we wouldn't have the amazing Sky Shadow or Nemesis Prime.

I think that depends on your taste (I didn't think much of those figrues myself) even when some of those Leaders were really cheap (B&M were selling Skyshadow, Sixshot and Overlord for £12.99 or £14.99 instead of their usual £50+)

[Randomhero]

Glad they're repacking this guy. He deserves ALL the attention he can get. I was just so lucky to pick him up at my local Walmart a week ago and I haven't loved a figure this much in a LONG time. People are complaining that he's too small, and yes, he is essentially a slightly upgraded voyager, but gosh dang it if he's not 100% worth it. He's sturdy, got great detail, TONS of playability, a fun transformation, and that extra set of robot arms may just be the coolest armor upgrade I've ever seen on a decepticon. Not to mention that hover board made from his armor just looks tight af. Both him and UM are top grade in every way. If downsizing your leader classes means getting this level of quality, by all means Hasbro, carry on.

I haven't seen anyone complain this much about the 3rd party legends class figures that go for 40-60$! I really justify the price if it means getting a nicely scaled, detailed, articulated figure of a 'con who just hasn't gotten the right amount of pizzazz over the years. Really, I don't think he deserves nearly as much hate as he does now, but that's my opinion I guess. I'd get him if I weren't on such a tight budget, but that's literally the only reason why I might not get him.

That’s been my stance with siege as well. You can argue that hasbro has upped their game in quality. I got Shockwave over 2 weeks ago and he’s yet to make it to my home office where I keep my collection. He’s been on my coffee table in living room since he came out of the package becuase he’s just the best figure I’ve gotten in a long time and I’m a completer. I have every CHUG figure since 2006. I’ve watched reviews where the only negative remark is he’s $50 and yet their next video is a $60 iron Factory figure.

The quality on siege is there and I’d argue is better than 3P becuase these figures actually go through drop tests and safety tests. They’re stable and sturdy. I used to buy 3P but I got out of that game and 2 weeks ago my Planet X swoop fell 2 feet off his shelf and his leg snapped off. Month ago reveal the shield jazz fell off a higher shelf while I was rearranging and he’s fine

[Dr. Caelus]

My wife made an interesting point the other day: some of the quality improvements we're seeing now might actually have their roots in Combiner Wars. While the individual deluxe and voyager figures seemed mediocre, the combination gimmick relied on a level of precision, consistency, and durability in the toys that are likely essential to the more intricate transformations on figures like Siege Optimus and Siege Shockwave.

Anyway, if it's Shockwave & Prime for Wave 2, and Wave 2 won't be out until May, then I kind of wish I'd gotten Ultra Magnus when I found him. I assume we'll see him again in late Summer, maybe? But that's a long way off, and he'd be less likely to see any discounts, I'd think.

[Omegatron.]

No the size is absolutely fine, the fact he's sold at Leader class for a cruddy accessory is the main problem. Makes him a total rip off since cos of that thing he costs the same as two Voyager figures when he himself is voyager sized
Using Kapow website as prices here in UK.

Optimus Prime £24.99
Megatron £24.99
Shockwave £49.99
(and I've seen Prime and Megatron for a couple quid cheaper on other places too)

Deluxes are £19.99 though so he's pretty much a voyager with a bundled deluxe weaponiser. Personally, I'm fine with that, since I love the weaponiser gimmick.

[Nathaniel Prime]

Glad they're repacking this guy. He deserves ALL the attention he can get. I was just so lucky to pick him up at my local Walmart a week ago and I haven't loved a figure this much in a LONG time. People are complaining that he's too small, and yes, he is essentially a slightly upgraded voyager, but gosh dang it if he's not 100% worth it. He's sturdy, got great detail, TONS of playability, a fun transformation, and that extra set of robot arms may just be the coolest armor upgrade I've ever seen on a decepticon. Not to mention that hover board made from his armor just looks tight af. Both him and UM are top grade in every way. If downsizing your leader classes means getting this level of quality, by all means Hasbro, carry on.

I haven't seen anyone complain this much about the 3rd party legends class figures that go for 40-60$! I really justify the price if it means getting a nicely scaled, detailed, articulated figure of a 'con who just hasn't gotten the right amount of pizzazz over the years. Really, I don't think he deserves nearly as much hate as he does now, but that's my opinion I guess. I'd get him if I weren't on such a tight budget, but that's literally the only reason why I might not get him.

That’s been my stance with siege as well. You can argue that hasbro hasn’t upped their game in quality. I got Shockwave over 2 weeks ago and he’s yet to make it to my home office where I keep my collection. He’s been on my coffee table in living room since he came out of the package becuase he’s just the best figure I’ve gotten in a long time and I’m a completer. I have every CHUG figure since 2006. I’ve watched reviews where the only negative remark is he’s $50 and yet their next video is a $60 iron Factory figure.

The quality on siege is there and I’d argue is better than 3P becuase these figures actually go through drop tests and safety tests. They’re stable and sturdy. I used to buy 3P but I got out of that fame and 2 weeks ago my Planet X swoop fell 2 feet off his shelf and his leg snapped off. Month ago reveal the shield jazz fell off a higher shelf while I was rearranging and he’s fine

At least you understand my point. Paying 50$ for Siege Shockwave seems much more justified than paying 60$ for a figure half the size, plastic quantity, and arguably worse quality. That said, every one is entitled to an opinion, and we should respect them, regardless of how we think.

I'm so sorry about your Swoop, but I'm flabbergasted that RTS Jazz survived a greater fall. I might rethink buying 3rd party in the future, even though there are ALOT of tempting figures...

[AutobotTrainer]

Come to Iowa. Siege Megatron, Optimus Prime, and Shockwave have hit the Target shelves in Cedar Rapids, Iowa City, and Des Moines.

I got my Shockwave in the Urbandale, Iowa Target. He was one of 4 on the shelf.

[Randomhero]

Glad they're repacking this guy. He deserves ALL the attention he can get. I was just so lucky to pick him up at my local Walmart a week ago and I haven't loved a figure this much in a LONG time. People are complaining that he's too small, and yes, he is essentially a slightly upgraded voyager, but gosh dang it if he's not 100% worth it. He's sturdy, got great detail, TONS of playability, a fun transformation, and that extra set of robot arms may just be the coolest armor upgrade I've ever seen on a decepticon. Not to mention that hover board made from his armor just looks tight af. Both him and UM are top grade in every way. If downsizing your leader classes means getting this level of quality, by all means Hasbro, carry on.

I haven't seen anyone complain this much about the 3rd party legends class figures that go for 40-60$! I really justify the price if it means getting a nicely scaled, detailed, articulated figure of a 'con who just hasn't gotten the right amount of pizzazz over the years. Really, I don't think he deserves nearly as much hate as he does now, but that's my opinion I guess. I'd get him if I weren't on such a tight budget, but that's literally the only reason why I might not get him.

That’s been my stance with siege as well. You can argue that hasbro hasn’t upped their game in quality. I got Shockwave over 2 weeks ago and he’s yet to make it to my home office where I keep my collection. He’s been on my coffee table in living room since he came out of the package becuase he’s just the best figure I’ve gotten in a long time and I’m a completer. I have every CHUG figure since 2006. I’ve watched reviews where the only negative remark is he’s $50 and yet their next video is a $60 iron Factory figure.

The quality on siege is there and I’d argue is better than 3P becuase these figures actually go through drop tests and safety tests. They’re stable and sturdy. I used to buy 3P but I got out of that fame and 2 weeks ago my Planet X swoop fell 2 feet off his shelf and his leg snapped off. Month ago reveal the shield jazz fell off a higher shelf while I was rearranging and he’s fine

At least you understand my point. Paying 50$ for Siege Shockwave seems much more justified than paying 60$ for a figure half the size, plastic quantity, and arguably worse quality. That said, every one is entitled to an opinion, and we should respect them, regardless of how we think.

I'm so sorry about your Swoop, but I'm flabbergasted that RTS Jazz survived a greater fall. I might rethink buying 3rd party in the future, even though there are ALOT of tempting figures...

I tried to get into the legends scale stuff. I have IF bruticus and some of the mechfanstoys stuff they KOd and modified but I just look at them and don’t play with them much.

It used to be buying stuff we know won’t yet officially made but anymore I’m like “just be patient, it’ll get made”

[jtanimator]

Glad they're repacking this guy. He deserves ALL the attention he can get. I was just so lucky to pick him up at my local Walmart a week ago and I haven't loved a figure this much in a LONG time. People are complaining that he's too small, and yes, he is essentially a slightly upgraded voyager, but gosh dang it if he's not 100% worth it. He's sturdy, got great detail, TONS of playability, a fun transformation, and that extra set of robot arms may just be the coolest armor upgrade I've ever seen on a decepticon. Not to mention that hover board made from his armor just looks tight af. Both him and UM are top grade in every way. If downsizing your leader classes means getting this level of quality, by all means Hasbro, carry on.

I haven't seen anyone complain this much about the 3rd party legends class figures that go for 40-60$! I really justify the price if it means getting a nicely scaled, detailed, articulated figure of a 'con who just hasn't gotten the right amount of pizzazz over the years. Really, I don't think he deserves nearly as much hate as he does now, but that's my opinion I guess. I'd get him if I weren't on such a tight budget, but that's literally the only reason why I might not get him.

Yeah, if you have the chance, definitely pick him up. He was my first opportunity to get my hands on a properly scaled CHUG Shockwave, and I don't regret him being my first. But $50 is still pretty steep, and I get it if you can't take that dive. I was just so lucky enough to be in the position to get both UM and Shockwave. Both are amazing. But if I had to choose a favorite, it would be Shockwave. But maybe that's just my biase towards a character I love who hasn't gotten much attention.

Oh and as a sidenote, UM's Vehicle mode is SO robust. Couldn't have imagined a better cybertronian vehicle form for him.

[ZeroWolf]

Thanks to a tip off from fellow Seibertron user, Riley Hoffman, we have learned that YouTuber, Chefatron has uploaded two new video reviews of the full Wave 2 Micromasters selection. The first video is a review of Micromasters Stakeout and Redheat while the second concerns the Cassettes Ravage and Lazerbeak!

We have embedded the videos below for your convenience:

Micromasters Stakeout and Redheat



Cassettes Ravage and Lazerbeak



Are you excited for these figures? Will you be getting the cassettes for your inevitable Voyager class Soundwave (Wave 2 along with Starscream)? Let us know in the Energon Pub and stay tuned to Seibertron for all the latest news and reviews!

[AllNewSuperRobot]

As a brief aside, a friend pointed out three orignal Micromasters I've unknowingly had in my collection since being a kid: Big Shot, Erector and Swindler. I bought them second-hand (pre-internet) and I just liked them because they were "tiny Transformers", knowing nothing more. Big Shot however is missing his turret and Erector is missing a trailer (apparantly) but they were £1 for all three.

Also RE: Partsformers. Same Toy Haul I also bought a white jet, that kind of Transformed into a Robot Body and an upside down monster..thing. Yes, I found out later I owned a Head-less Snapdragon. So I would define a Partsformer as being incomplete in either mode (or both) without a key component. A gun or hand isn't really as applicable as a limb, torso or head.

[jtanimator]

It's so strange to me that people are constantly criticizing this Ravage for being too "chunky", and yet hardly anyone seemed to bat an eye at the Titans Return Ravage (or any reincarnation of that mold) which is what I consider to be one of the worst renditions of ravage (or any legends class transformers for that matter) I've ever seen. He doesn't only look terrible, he feels INCREDIBLY cheap, and has a very forced and uninspired transformation. And the only mode he has that doesn't completely suck is his """""tablet""""" mode. Which is saying something lol.
This little guy, however, looks so STINKIN' cute and well made. Can't wait to get my hands on these guys!

Sorry. Had to get that off my chest.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

I noticed a lot of the posts keeping track of how many leaders we get in each line downplaying retools in the count. There's nothing wrong with a retool if it's done well. I absolutely count them toward the total count of leader class figures in a toyline. Without retools, we wouldn't have the amazing Sky Shadow or Nemesis Prime.

O, this has nothing to do with the quality of any given retool, more like the convenience of having one. Redecos and retools can be considered an "easy way" to make a new release given they already have a basis from which to work with. Furthermore, nowadays retools are "built-in" via alternate molds or gang-molded parts; just switch them out and presto. In a sense, they're two figures in one set of toolings.
It's more of a count of how many unique toolings Hasbro is able to produce, rather than how many figures are released, as that has remained stable over the past few years (2 to 3 per year). I will say that the volume of the toolings have increased somewhat with the co-tools included, and the total of figures could be high if time and opportunity allow.