Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Stargrave » Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:42 am

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william-james88 wrote:At least you have a Target.


I'm not going to lie, the Targets have been pretty good in my area, keeping stocked with TF (certainly better than Walmarts) , but I'd still trade you 10 Targets (yes I can drive to that many) for JUST ONE TRU.....


I second that. Nothing will ever compare or exceed or outdo a TRU. That's just me. I know there's better deals all over heck and gone I'm not trying to make a semantics argument I'm just saying personally, Ten Targets vs. One TRU? TRU wins for me. Every time. I miss that damned giraffe...


Thought I missed toyseus until my Japanese toysrus fixes (half of them didn't stock transformers and those that did only had studio series) reminded me how bad they were at getting stuff in over the nostalgia.


Oh man it got so bad over the last ten even twenty plus years, it bummed me out every visit. I hear you. But there really was a golden age that passed. And maaan, it was golden.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:59 am

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The tru near me was always hit and miss with everything, especially in the months leading to the end. Then, being a UK fan, hunting in physical stores always was a challenge...
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:43 am

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Really? Singe is a straight redeco of Firedrive with Misfire's Effect Parts? :roll:
What did you expect? With the exception of Rung, every gun Battlemaster since Firedrive and Blowpipe has been decidedly phoned-in. :-x


New arms and legs for Firedrive for starters. They did that with Aimless. >:oP


My expectations for most of the "humanoid" Battle Masters is already pretty low, honestly. They couldn't even get the colors of Firebolt, Blowpipe, Aimless, and Caliburst right, let alone individual molded detail or even the correct number of gun barrels. The fact that "Shrute" and Singe actually are pretty much the right colors is pretty fantastic.
Going to have to disagree with you re: barrel count, colors, and individual molded detail on Firedrive and Blowpipe. And re: Barrel count and colors on Aimless.

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There are some deviations in detail, admittedly, as a result of Hasbro copying the Legends versions instead of referencing the original figures directly (yeah, I said it again; sue me):
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This copying of the Legends versions is also why some of the detail on Aimless' new-mold parts is wonky. But he does at least have the right colors and number of barrels, if I'm any judge
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Were you perhaps thinking of the bungled Fracas (According to the boxback, he was supposed to at least have the gray and black switched, but they blew it!) that comes with Skywarp when you talked about wrong colors, details, and barrel count? I agree with you that "Caliburst" is completely wrong. He is not really Caliburst at all, he is G2 Blowpipe. I can only assume he was spawned by some fool operating under the delusion that it was a good idea to use "The TrainwreckRebirth" as a reference.


I wasn't trying to say that each and every Battle Master has the colors, sculpting, and number of barrels wrong, but that each of them has something wrong with them, and it's one of those three things (sometimes more). I was thinking of Fracas, by the way, when talking about the incorrect gun barrels. Admittedly, the colors are the most egregious errors to me. Firebolt should have black arms, and his legs should be gray. Instead, the arms and legs are stark white. Blowpipe should have gray arms, but they're the same blue as his legs, which is an off shade to begin with. Aimless' arms are gray when they should be blue, and the shade of blue is again off. Luckily, you can switch Blowpipe's and Aimless' arms to get a more accurate color layout for each character, though the grays and blues between the two don't match exactly. As you said, Caliburst is just a mess, even if you squint and try to make it a darker colors "The Rebirth" version of the character. Overall, Takara's Legends Targetmasters turned out MUCH more accurate, with the odd and glaring exception of poor Firebolt. The guy can't catch a break.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby AcademyofDrX » Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:59 am

Wolfman Jake wrote:I wasn't trying to say that each and every Battle Master has the colors, sculpting, and number of barrels wrong, but that each of them has something wrong with them, and it's one of those three things (sometimes more). I was thinking of Fracas, by the way, when talking about the incorrect gun barrels. Admittedly, the colors are the most egregious errors to me. Firebolt should have black arms, and his legs should be gray. Instead, the arms and legs are stark white. Blowpipe should have gray arms, but they're the same blue as his legs, which is an off shade to begin with. Aimless' arms are gray when they should be blue, and the shade of blue is again off. Luckily, you can switch Blowpipe's and Aimless' arms to get a more accurate color layout for each character, though the grays and blues between the two don't match exactly. As you said, Caliburst is just a mess, even if you squint and try to make it a darker colors "The Rebirth" version of the character. Overall, Takara's Legends Targetmasters turned out MUCH more accurate, with the odd and glaring exception of poor Firebolt. The guy can't catch a break.

I get what you're going for here, but I bristle at the use of "wrong." By color-blocking arms and legs against the torso rather than by top and bottom, the colors aren't toy- or show accurate. Of course, the reason for the original toy coloration is that there were only two or three different parts, with the arms molded as part of the torso. I personally prefer the more dynamic visual design of the current incarnations. That said, I understand why it's "wrong" to you, and I wish there was more overall variety in the parts across the Battle Masters to make it easier to customize by swapping arms.

I seem to be in the minority, as I want Battle Masters to serve as Targetmasters for the TR movie toys. I didn't buy any of the TR Targetmaster cons. Unfortunately, aside from Fracas and Firebolt, none of the other available Battle Matters seem to be good substitutions.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:31 pm

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WJ, I wouldn't call that a "stark white" on SIEGE Firebolt so much as a very pale gray. Stark white would be Jetfire and Red Alert's color. It's a paler gray than the original toy, but it's still very much a gray. Speaking of color matching, you might call SIEGE Blowpipe's blue "an off shade" but it's a hell of a lot closer to the original toy than the Legends version's blue is. As for that "Fracas"... He's a lousy Fracas, but he's a great Premium Firedrive :-D

Regarding the arms... as AcademyofDRX pointed out, the arms are a different color because they're actually separate pieces from the torso (unlike the original toys). That and Hasbro decided to put all the separate pieces on one sprue (rather than the arms and torso sharing a sprue); this may have been influenced by cartoon!Firebolt having gray arms, or maybe they just wanted the arms to be visibly separate pieces.

As for Takara's Legends Targetmasters turning out much more accurate, IMO that's only half true. They may all have unique parts and more accurate color layouts, but Aimless' details are wonky and they all transform wrong.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:44 pm

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Regarding the arms... as AcademyofDRX pointed out, the arms are a different color because they're actually separate pieces from the torso (unlike the original toys). That and Hasbro decided to put all the separate pieces on one sprue (rather than the arms and torso sharing a sprue); this may have been influenced by cartoon!Firebolt having gray arms, or maybe they just wanted the arms to be visibly separate pieces.


Since TR each "<insert name> Master" figure has only 2 molds/plastic colors to play with, compared with the Legends Targetmasters 3. That makes for easy switching out of molds to make the figure look different if certain parts (arms, legs and gun barrels) use the "switch out mold" instead of the "main mold". This may also explain why they have no knees :P

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:As for Takara's Legends Targetmasters turning out much more accurate, IMO that's only half true. They may all have unique parts and more accurate color layouts, but Aimless' details are wonky and they all transform wrong.


Recoil is a retool of Peacemaker even, believe it or not. So either one of them is inaccurate. ;)
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Transformers War for Cybertron Siege Ratchet Review With New Images

Postby Stargrave » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:40 pm

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We have a few additional new views of Transformers Siege Ratchet. It could be the lighting but it does appear as though the boom arm at his back is cast in a different shade of white which hasn't been clearly seen before. We also get a nice side by side with his G1 counterpart in both robot and vehicle modes.

These assorted in-hand Ratchet images come from Twitter user singgg4. Also ExVee over at Tformers rounded up images from several Facebook users such as Victor Wong, Marco Sze, and David Ng through HK-TF.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:03 pm

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william-james88 wrote:At least you have a Target.


I'm not going to lie, the Targets have been pretty good in my area, keeping stocked with TF (certainly better than Walmarts) , but I'd still trade you 10 Targets (yes I can drive to that many) for JUST ONE TRU.....

I dont get it. So right now, your targets stock new toys, but you would rather they be gone and instead get back the TRU you lost? Everyone on these boards kept saying TRU didnt stock toys well and were always more expensive, why would you want that instead?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:09 pm

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william-james88 wrote:I dont get it. So right now, your targets stock new toys, but you would rather they be gone and instead get back the TRU you lost? Everyone on these boards kept saying TRU didnt stock toys well and were always more expensive, why would you want that instead?


No I dont want back the TRU I lost, I want the one from 20 years ago that looked good. The one YOU have NOW, ya know, with Siege Jetfires as far as the eyes can see, and all that ;)
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Flashwave » Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:25 pm

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:WJ, I wouldn't call that a "stark white" on SIEGE Firebolt so much as a very pale gray. Stark white would be Jetfire and Red Alert's color. It's a paler gray than the original toy, but it's still very much a gray. Speaking of color matching, you might call SIEGE Blowpipe's blue "an off shade" but it's a hell of a lot closer to the original toy than the Legends version's blue is. As for that "Fracas"... He's a lousy Fracas, but he's a great Premium Firedrive :-D

Regarding the arms... as AcademyofDRX pointed out, the arms are a different color because they're actually separate pieces from the torso (unlike the original toys). That and Hasbro decided to put all the separate pieces on one sprue (rather than the arms and torso sharing a sprue); this may have been influenced by cartoon!Firebolt having gray arms, or maybe they just wanted the arms to be visibly separate pieces.

As for Takara's Legends Targetmasters turning out much more accurate, IMO that's only half true. They may all have unique parts and more accurate color layouts, but Aimless' details are wonky and they all transform wrong.


I would, in fact I would more accurately call it a "Pastel Easter White". All of the early Battle masters fall into that description. Which mwould be okay if it were consistant, but almost all of the Siege Figures and many of the older figures use darker, matte-ed hues. Neutral greys over bright white.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:50 pm

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That Ratchet is a really good figure, I just wish it had a comic accurate head. Otherwise it's a must have. I just hope Walgreens around here won't drop the ball with him like they did with Wreck-Gar.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Stargrave » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:00 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:That Ratchet is a really good figure, I just wish it had a comic accurate head. Otherwise it's a must have. I just hope Walgreens around here won't drop the ball with him like they did with Wreck-Gar.


Are you going to maybe paint the crest red? I’m debating it I just don’t want to mismatch my reds.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Emerje » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:03 pm

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I agree with you that "Caliburst" is completely wrong. He is not really Caliburst at all, he is G2 Blowpipe. I can only assume he was spawned by some fool operating under the delusion that it was a good idea to use "The TrainwreckRebirth" as a reference.

As you said, Caliburst is just a mess, even if you squint and try to make it a darker colors "The Rebirth" version of the character.

They at least at some point intended Caliburst to have his normal colors if you go by the package art.

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It's hard to tell in the lighting of the photo, but the art is definitely blue and not purple in person.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:28 pm

The good thing with the Battlemaster is, if you're collecting them to assign to their respective characters who came out in Titans Return then odds are you will have both Aimless and Blowpipe. Since they are simple ball joints you can swap their legs around and get a much more accurate look right away.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:33 pm

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Emerje wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I agree with you that "Caliburst" is completely wrong. He is not really Caliburst at all, he is G2 Blowpipe. I can only assume he was spawned by some fool operating under the delusion that it was a good idea to use "The TrainwreckRebirth" as a reference.

As you said, Caliburst is just a mess, even if you squint and try to make it a darker colors "The Rebirth" version of the character.

They at least at some point intended Caliburst to have his normal colors if you go by the package art.

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It's hard to tell in the lighting of the photo, but the art is definitely blue and not purple in person.

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You sure that's not a darker Blowpipe in that art? :-P
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:57 pm

I think with Caliburst they worried it would be too close to the other two. From a toy-selling standpoint this make perfect sense as in G1 the Targetmaster came with the partner as a bonus accessory. Here they need to sell these little guy alone and them being too samey doesn't help sales.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Emerje » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:11 pm

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Skritz wrote:I think with Caliburst they worried it would be too close to the other two. From a toy-selling standpoint this make perfect sense as in G1 the Targetmaster came with the partner as a bonus accessory. Here they need to sell these little guy alone and them being too samey doesn't help sales.

In that case they should have released Shrute at retail and Caliburst in correct colors with Skywarp. Then Skywarp would have come with a black gun and a blue gun, it would have worked out just as well.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Stargrave » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:14 pm

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Why couldn’t they have named him anything other than Blowpipe...except for Suckpipe, that would definitely be worse.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Emerje » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:08 pm

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Stargrave wrote:Why couldn’t they have named him anything other than Blowpipe...except for Suckpipe, that would definitely be worse.

What's wrong with Blowpipe? It's just another name for a blow gun or dart gun.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Microbot » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:14 pm

That Ratchet is a really good figure, I just wish it had a comic accurate head. Otherwise, it's a must-have! It's a shame in Italy will be really hard to get it! Really a shame! :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Stargrave » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:18 pm

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Blowgun or Dartgun would be way better than Blowpipe. I mean, well, he’s a gun. None of other TM’s fire stones or insults, just this guy blowin’ hot air.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:25 pm

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william-james88 wrote:I dont get it. So right now, your targets stock new toys, but you would rather they be gone and instead get back the TRU you lost? Everyone on these boards kept saying TRU didnt stock toys well and were always more expensive, why would you want that instead?


No I dont want back the TRU I lost, I want the one from 20 years ago that looked good. The one YOU have NOW, ya know, with Siege Jetfires as far as the eyes can see, and all that ;)


There are only a few jetfires and nobody cares since all those who wanted him bought him from tru.ca when he was up 2 weeks prior. The TRU you liked is long gone, from both the US and Canada. Aside from big releases like Jetfire, Canada's TRU is constantly 4-6 months behind. It still didnt stock studio series Jetfire for instance and only now are we seeing Siege Ironhide. I am sure fans would much rather have a store that stocked toys they wanted sooner rather than have a nice store with a bunch of old merchandise, which is the case with Canada's TRU at the moment. Walmart and Amazon have been getting a lot of my business this year even though I can get to 3 TRUs quite easily.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:33 pm

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Yeah. If my local TrU bother having anything, it's always FIRST WAVES of thing. Plus they STILL have a tons of TLK Hounds to liquidate.
And finally, my local Walmart is Tumbleweed City. This is frustrating.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:45 pm

The only thing I miss about TRU was being able to buy the titans in store, with a 15% discount on certain days for using their credit card, and usually getting a $10-$15 bonus reward for the purchase. I've always been too impatient to wait for a Black Friday sale, so that was the next best thing.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:48 pm

Emerje wrote:
Skritz wrote:I think with Caliburst they worried it would be too close to the other two. From a toy-selling standpoint this make perfect sense as in G1 the Targetmaster came with the partner as a bonus accessory. Here they need to sell these little guy alone and them being too samey doesn't help sales.

In that case they should have released Shrute at retail and Caliburst in correct colors with Skywarp. Then Skywarp would have come with a black gun and a blue gun, it would have worked out just as well.

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