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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby emlit » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:09 pm

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TF-fan kev777 wrote:Below is the link to the page on Siege, enjoy!

https://hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/t ... s-revealed


Thanks for sharing! Fun, interesting read.
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New Article from Hasbro Explaining the New Military Insignias in Transformers Siege

Postby william-james88 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:27 pm

Thanks to Seibertron's TF-fan kev777, we learnt of a post by Hasbro where they explained in great detail the story behind the military insignias on the Transformers Siege packaging. You can read it fully below!

THE STORY BEHIND THE TRANSFORMERS WFC MILITARY INSIGNIAS: REVEALED

There's more to the War for Cybertron: Siege line than the amazing figures. There's also the three-dimensional characters these figures represent, each with their own backstories and roles to play. One way we tell these stories is through a character's military ranking, represented by a military insignia unique to the character. Have you figured out the ranking system yet? ImageImage

Yeah. We see you. We keep up on the comments sections of this and other fan sites. We know a lot of you didn't necessarily need this key, but as we were developing this system, we sure did. It was an important tool for organizing the system and giving all of us working on the project the guidelines needed to build an insignia for any character. It was actually all a bit of a process, and we thought it would be fun to tell you a bit about that process.

 
Where Did We Start ?


It started with a thought: In times of war, armies establish a clear chain of command, and the Autobots and Decepticons would be no different. Despite the chaos of brutal battles, some sort of organization would be established. They would need a way to indicate who's in charge. Sure, as such a key figure, everyone would know Optimus Prime is the General of the Autobot army, but where does Ironhide rank? Does he outrank Prowl? Would Starscream be Megatron's second-in-command during the war? Or would that come later? And what kind of role would they all play within their armies?Image

STARSCREAM: Still working his way up the ranks until he ultimately ascends to leader of the Decepticons…or tries to, anyway.

And then a bunch of us got in a room and geeked-out together about how this all would work. What could we create to deepen the story for fans? And how could we convey key pieces of a character's story through a single graphic? The answer was a military insignia that represented 3 things: Division, Unit, and Rank. But when determining these classifications for each character there were a few things we had to consider.

 
Assigning rankings to soldiers in the war for Cybertron: 3 key things we had to consider


First, these aren’t the Autobots and Decepticons we know. Their insignias needed to represent these characters during the War for Cybertron, long before becoming the larger-than-life heroes and villains we know them to be today. We had to think about where these characters are at the beginning of this chapter. War changes people robots. The Division, Unit, and Rank for some of these characters would be drastically different and not necessarily reflect who they will eventually become. There are characters that haven’t quite yet established themselves or haven’t yet moved into a field they will enter later. And so, all of that needed to be seeded in their insignias.

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Believe it or not his overly cautious nature and dedication to safety makes him an effective medic in the War for Cybertron, though he does tend to over-diagnose patients. Just to be safe.

Second, what are the divisions and units that would naturally form during a raging civil war on an alien planet populated by giant converting robots? We had to take into account the nature of this particular war and the means with which our characters are fighting it. And at the same time we needed to think about who these characters are, their various alt modes, what their strengths and expertise are at this moment in time.

Third, how might the Autobots and Decepticons name these classifications differently? Would the Decepticons classifications sound a bit more sinister? Would they call a unit Black Ops where the Autobots would call it Special Ops? And, what would be the same regardless of faction?

When considering Engineering as an army unit, it worked well for the Autobots, but it didn't quite fit for the Decepticons. We pictured Shockwave in his lab, his one eye glowing with menacing genius, creating brutal, highly potent, and twisted weapons for the Decepticon army. Then thought, nope, that's not Engineering, that's Applied Sciences, a much more ambiguously ominous name you’d find within a military industrial complex like the one operated by the Decepticons.

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Engineering VS. Applied Sciences


Designing Cybertronian Military Insignias: Considerations and Challenges


Naming conventions alone were not enough to show how the Autobots and Decepticons would approach military rankings differently, we needed to do so graphically, as well. Not only did we want the Decepticon graphics to look a little more threatening, we also wanted them to look more militarized. Most of the Decepticons originate from the military and defense forces of Cybertron, while the Autobots originate from the labor forces and civilian population. We knew we wanted the iconography to be reflective of that history.

You can see how the negative space within the Decepticon graphics is tighter and the angles are sharper, creating more intricate designs and a sense that you don't want to mess with these guys. The Autobot graphics are blockier with softer edges and angles. This, along with a more open use of the negative space evokes a greater sense of approachability and a certain gritty scrappiness when compared to the Decepticon graphics.

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Fun fact: We didn’t initially design the insignias to be specifically Autobot or Decepticon. We started with a bunch of sketches of what Cybertronian military insignias could look like. Then we chose our top 2. From there we decided which felt more Autobot and which felt more Decepticon. Once we determined that, we were able to evolve the designs to emphasize the differences between the two factions.ImageImage

Early sketches. Here are concept options 7 and 9 that would then become the basis for the Autobot and Decepticon insignias

One of the biggest challenges when designing these was how to symbolically convey through iconography to our human fans what the pieces of these Cybertronian military insignias represent without them looking at all human. Our first tries looked very human. It took some time, but eventually we were able to identify symbols that suggest meaning humans can understand, but look and feel like they were developed on the planet Cybertron by warring alien robot armies. We tried to focus on universal (in the most literal sense of the word) symbols, so things like weaponry and spaceship icons were fair game.


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Here are some earlier insignia concepts before they were finalized. Not our human-looking outtakes, but you can see how certain elements changed and evolved before we landed on final designs.

Another challenge was how do we make this system infinite? We needed to establish these pieces of the puzzle in a way that could be built on and expanded as the world expands. A modular system where every piece needed to be interchangeable and our representations of those pieces needed to be easily built upon and adapted.

Look at Rank, for example. The lowest rank is represented by the simplest design, then becomes more complex for higher ranks. Initially, we didn’t have the Specialist rank, it was added after we had already established the system. Because of the modular nature of the system, it was easier to adapt and repurpose graphic elements used in other ranks in a way that would represent the new Specialist rank according to the rules we established.

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What it all came down to


Ultimately, every decision we made came down to what felt right. If it felt true to the story, true to the character, true to the tone, true to everything we know about Transformers -- then that's what it had to be. And we loved every minute of it. It was so fun to go in and really geek-out. We hope you enjoyed it, too.

 
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby sol magnus » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:50 pm

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Pretty cool. I, for one, had been wondering what the different nuances of the symbols on the boxes meant.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Hellscream9999 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:03 pm

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It's things like these insignia's that make me feel assured that this really is the best line we've had in ages :APPLAUSE:
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wireless_Phantom » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:08 pm

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What do you bet ToyHax is going to use some of these?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Fires_Of_Inferno » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:09 pm

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While this is awesome, it would have been great if this had been on the figure, or on a card, instead of on the box/instructions that go in the garbage. I feel sorry for the team who worked hard on this only to find out that their hard work is going to end up being thrown out by most of the people buying this. I almost don't want to throw out the Starscream box now, but I have no real reason to keep it. Eh, maybe I'll just cut out the insignia. But then it would just end up in a box somewhere. Bah.

TL;DR Awesome work on these, sorry to the design team for throwing them away.

EDIT: Same thing for the character box art. It's great, wish I could keep it, but I don't have room for it (even collapsing the boxes it would eventually take up more room than I would want), so it goes to the recycling.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Un_Chakal » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:00 pm

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The autobot symbol graphic on their left hand side indicate something further because not all of them have the same base form. I'd like an even further breakdown and complete explanation for what each piece means
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Stargrave » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:02 pm

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This is tech spec level awesome for me. Old school G.I.Joe filecard level of awesome.

I LOVED reading this. Subtle nuance and backstory, I don’t care if it’s on the toys or not whether everyone noticed it or not I have loved these since I got my first Cog. If any of the designers read this then thanks because I’ve totally been geeking out over the rank insignias you made it for guys like me.

Thanks Kev and William-James!

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby WarzoneBeta » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:06 pm

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Literally need all the designs now because imma be messing with this for a long long time... I live for this kinda thing! :CON:
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Decepticon Stryker » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:19 pm

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Who are the Sea Command Transport Captains? Are these just little extras, or are the teases of upcoming figures? Hopefully, a Commander Class Tidal Wave.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Un_Chakal » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:19 pm

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Stargrave wrote:This is tech spec level awesome for me. Old school G.I.Joe filecard level of awesome.

I LOVED reading this. Subtle nuance and backstory, I don’t care if it’s on the toys or not whether everyone noticed it or not I have loved these since I got my first Cog. If any of the designers read this then thanks because I’ve totally been geeking out over the rank insignias you made it for guys like me.

Thanks Kev and William-James!

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what we need is a application that we can make our own custom rankings out of
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Stargrave » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:41 pm

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I would totally buy shirts with those designs. I love how a lot of the Autobot ones look like they have a flame theme going on.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Stargrave » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:43 pm

Motto: "It’s all the in the reflexes"
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Decepticon Stryker wrote:Who are the Sea Command Transport Captains? Are these just little extras, or are the teases of upcoming figures? Hopefully, a Commander Class Tidal Wave.


Totally noted that! What does it mean??? Is that Turtler’s rank maybe? Seaspray? Just entries in their bible??? I must know! I want the comic with all the profiles and ranks like a DC Who’s Who type deal :lol:
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:51 pm

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Stargrave wrote:
Decepticon Stryker wrote:Who are the Sea Command Transport Captains? Are these just little extras, or are the teases of upcoming figures? Hopefully, a Commander Class Tidal Wave.


Totally noted that! What does it mean??? Is that Turtler’s rank maybe? Seaspray? Just entries in their bible??? I must know! I want the comic with all the profiles and ranks like a DC Who’s Who type deal :lol:


Likely they're made in advance before any characters to appear in the lines were decided upon. Not a whole lot of marine characters in the line as a whole, in fact they're quite the rarity in G1/G2:

- Seaspray
- Broadside
- Seacons (Note that Selects Turtler is not Siege)

- Waverider
- Submarauder
- Splashdown
- Finback
- Octopunch
- Longtooth (shell)

- Quickswitch

- Seawatch
- Strikedown & Power Run
- Flattop's carrier

- Waver

- Tidal Wave (Armada import)
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Calidus » Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:15 pm

Actually if you notice, the TCG actually uses those symbols. For example, Major Soundwave. Neat!
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Sentinel_Primal » Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:56 pm

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So since Apeface is getting a proper update, I was wondering what other later characters could do with a proper update and I'm hoping we see some Powermasters in the next part of the trilogy. Canonically, they shouldn't be on Cybertron, but neither should Spasma given his Nebulan origin. Plus, the engine modes could be little micromaster sets like the cassettes if Hasbro doesn't want to include them with their partner
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Decepticon Stryker » Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:07 am

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Sentinel_Primal wrote:So since Apeface is getting a proper update, I was wondering what other later characters could do with a proper update and I'm hoping we see some Powermasters in the next part of the trilogy. Canonically, they shouldn't be on Cybertron, but neither should Spasma given his Nebulan origin. Plus, the engine modes could be little micromaster sets like the cassettes if Hasbro doesn't want to include them with their partner

I don't see why they can't do this. Canonically, the battle masters and Jetfire aren't supposed to be on Cybertron, yet there they are.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Coptur » Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:59 am

It's new canon so they can include whoever they want tbh.(that and i qyuite like Apeface being about during the early days etc)

I was hoping Tidalwave would be a titan but the next slot must be Scorponok :-D and now i think of it Broadside would be a great Commander class but he's only just been done (albeit very poorly).

Octopunch counts as an aquatic character and Longtooth inner robot is a amphibious transport vehicle. I've done a list of aquatic characters there's quite a few as we all know seafaring character often suffer and get the superfriends aquaman treatment LOL.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Sentinel_Primal » Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:57 am

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Coptur wrote:It's new canon so they can include whoever they want tbh.(that and i qyuite like Apeface being about during the early days etc)

I was hoping Tidalwave would be a titan but the next slot must be Scorponok :-D and now i think of it Broadside would be a great Commander class but he's only just been done (albeit very poorly).

Octopunch counts as an aquatic character and Longtooth inner robot is a amphibious transport vehicle. I've done a list of aquatic characters there's quite a few as we all know seafaring character often suffer and get the superfriends aquaman treatment LOL.

Well, Tidalwave and Broadside could share a mold if Hasbro wanted to do both like TR. But I think what's holding them back from doing that is they might be worried about the demand for either character
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby durroth » Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:11 am

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Coptur wrote:I was hoping Tidalwave would be a titan but the next slot must be Scorponok :-D and now i think of it Broadside would be a great Commander class but he's only just been done (albeit very poorly).

Astrotrain was just done too...
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:25 am

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People have been enjoying their Seige Refraktors and Springer for weeks or even months.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby blackeyedprime » Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:34 am

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At least you get shiny coins :) I just picked up soundwave and even the box is too embaressed to mention what he turns into (I liked the alt in photos, in hand, it is a literal thing). Robot modes great apart from forearm junk and the hollows.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:48 am

-Kanrabat- wrote:People have been enjoying their Seige Refraktors and Springer for weeks or even months.

And here in Canada, we are still stuck at Wave One. :HEADHURTS:

We've had wave 2 for a while now.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Stargrave » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:12 am

Motto: "It’s all the in the reflexes"
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Coptur wrote:It's new canon so they can include whoever they want tbh.(that and i qyuite like Apeface being about during the early days etc)

I was hoping Tidalwave would be a titan but the next slot must be Scorponok :-D and now i think of it Broadside would be a great Commander class but he's only just been done (albeit very poorly).

Octopunch counts as an aquatic character and Longtooth inner robot is a amphibious transport vehicle. I've done a list of aquatic characters there's quite a few as we all know seafaring character often suffer and get the superfriends aquaman treatment LOL.


Totally :lol:
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