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[sol magnus]

With this talk of Leader class, I've been doing some thinking on that score. The leader class figures without the add-ons (Prime and Magnus) are the top end of Voyager scale. The others (Shockwave and Astrotrain) are pretty much the same size as a Voyager.

A Voyager is a 30 dollar figure, but a Commander is 50 bucks. And while Prime and Magnus "feel" like they're worth that, Shockwave and Astrotrain don't. Obviously the armor is going to feel like it incorporates into the overall figure while giving you an expected outcome. Shockwave just gets a bunch of arms, and Astrotrain gets some junk in his trunk. I don't feel like that's worth 20 extra bucks, but hey, whatevs I'll buy them because I'm in love with Siege, and when you're in love, you sometimes get taken advantage of.

What I would like to see in Leader class coming up is a slightly larger figure that is self-incorporated. That would make me feel less trepidation about shelling out 50 smackers for a "Voyager with add-ons," which is how it feels with the Decepticon leaders at current.

[Flashwave]

Astrotrain gets some junk in his trunk.

Ro be fair, he is also getting a trunk for his junk.

Idnt it funny? A Decepticon gets a trailer (Tender) befoee G1 Prime.

Actually, thete is a thought exercise: if we got Siege Voyager Prime un a Leader Box with a trailer that did nothing more than what Astrotrain's tender did, the ONLY complaint would be "Where's Roller?" We are a fickle group.

What I would like to see in Leader class coming up is a slightly larger figure that is self-incorporated. That would make me feel less trepidation about shelling out 50 smackers for a "Voyager with add-ons," which is how it feels with the Decepticon leaders at current.

no argument here, although if Shockwave had been incorporated, everyone would have complained that he looked so not G1. So tgey really can't win

[no-one]

Astrotrain gets some junk in his trunk.

Ro be fair, he is also getting a trunk for his junk.

Idnt it funny? A Decepticon gets a trailer (Tender) befoee G1 Prime.

Actually, thete is a thought exercise: if we got Siege Voyager Prime un a Leader Box with a trailer that did nothing more than what Astrotrain's tender did, the ONLY complaint would be "Where's Roller?" We are a fickle group.

What I would like to see in Leader class coming up is a slightly larger figure that is self-incorporated. That would make me feel less trepidation about shelling out 50 smackers for a "Voyager with add-ons," which is how it feels with the Decepticon leaders at current.

no argument here, although if Shockwave had been incorporated, everyone would have complained that he looked so not G1. So tgey really can't win

Fans, the worst part of any fandom

I've been happy with all my Siege leader purchases. Would I have like to play less, sure, but I'm willing to pay for what I want/nice things. I played with Shockwaves extra bits for a day or two then chunked them in the drawer of unloved accessories. Jetfire's extra parts are right next to Shockwaves "drone"

[o.supreme]

Yeah the wrists on my Jetfire are a little loose, but they have actually gotten better over a couple of weeks (something odd, I cant say about other figures), and I don't use any floor polish or other fancy tricks for fear of damaging my toys.

[Cyberpath]

So back to Jetfire, which I got last week, he's fine but the QC eaves much to be desired. I was wondering if everyone else had these problems. The right wrist is super loose, so he can't hold his gun straight, it always flops to one side. Also, the ratchets on his thighs are not of the same strength. One side is far weaker than the other. Are all copies like this?

Same with his right wrist, but I make it work. Might apply "Pledge" if it becomes too annoying.

I don't feel like that's worth 20 extra bucks, but hey, whatevs I'll buy them because I'm in love with Siege, and when you're in love, you sometimes get taken advantage of.

I've been happy with all my Siege leader purchases. Would I have like to play less, sure, but I'm willing to pay for what I want/nice things. I played with Shockwaves extra bits for a day or two then chunked them in the drawer of unloved accessories. Jetfire's extra parts are right next to Shockwaves "drone"

I actually like the extra "Jetfire" parts that came with Skyfire.
I throw them on him sometimes, got a backstory for it, too. Really gives him a different look.

[Cobotron]

got a backstory for it, too.

Oh? Do tell. I love a good back story!
Head canon FTW!!!!

[sol magnus]

Astrotrain gets some junk in his trunk.

Ro be fair, he is also getting a trunk for his junk.

Idnt it funny? A Decepticon gets a trailer (Tender) befoee G1 Prime.

Actually, thete is a thought exercise: if we got Siege Voyager Prime un a Leader Box with a trailer that did nothing more than what Astrotrain's tender did, the ONLY complaint would be "Where's Roller?" We are a fickle group.

What I would like to see in Leader class coming up is a slightly larger figure that is self-incorporated. That would make me feel less trepidation about shelling out 50 smackers for a "Voyager with add-ons," which is how it feels with the Decepticon leaders at current.

no argument here, although if Shockwave had been incorporated, everyone would have complained that he looked so not G1. So tgey really can't win

Well, the junk 'in' his trunk is the same reference. He's also getting a trunk. But yeah. Unless you count Galaxy Upgrade's trailer.

The funny thing about Prime is as a leader class, the Voyager would be exactly that with a trailer. I would say had they done that, Roller would be a Micromaster you could buy or something along the lines of the cassettes. But, I'm glad that one isn't a Leader with a trailer, because it evokes Optimus Prime's alt-mode in Transformers #1 in 1984 -- to me, anyway.

I think they just need to make some larger Decepticons as leader class, although, it's more than fair to say they covered them with recent releases (Sixshot, Black Shadow, Overlord). Since Siege incorporates characters and concepts from different iterations of the franchise, I'm sure there are Armada era guys they could mine.

[william-james88]

Fans, the worst part of any fandom

Come on, everyone knows the best part of Star Wars is the fandom.

[blackeyedprime]

Shockwave felt like a deluxe to me, and ultra magnus feels too small (none working trailer aside) so he's not replaced the CW war one despite looking more like the part. Plus Ultra is a little bit too small for taking on (and missing on purpose) six shot.
Even six shots a bit too small for upside down submarine, so tiny shockwave is a gun for two year old. Maybe that's the new market for them :p
Tr soundwave and blaster were stupidly oversized (kind of think the seeker use of Cw jetfire was too) but all the old leader classes work tho I didn't want or pay £50 for those either. If hasbro wants to cheap out/avoid titans we might get a commander class scorponok tho I think the G1 goes well with TR power master prime and a titan size scorponok is a sure purchase for me.

[no-one]

I actually like the extra "Jetfire" parts that came with Skyfire.

Jetfire is slumming nekked it on my MP shelf. All armored up he has more of a Generations look, but is just too damn big for my taste. He does look cool with all the gear on, but I like him just the way he is. Ultimately I'm not a fan of extra parts and accessories. Up until recently I didn't even display my figures will the their weapons.

I'd also like the deets on that Siegefire back story.

[Stargrave]

Tickets please Seibertronians, tickets please! Grab your carry on items because we're going on a short ride. Thanks to a head's up from fellow Seibertronian DecepticonFinishline we've learned YouTube member TonTon Review has posted a video review of the new Transformers War for Cybertron Siege Leader Class Astrotrain! Some fans are stoked to have a G1 faithful Astrotrain with his extra train accessories, while other fans are tooting their horns in dismay over the scale and size of the figure even when he's armed up with said accessories.

As with everything take a view and decide for yourself. Share your thoughts in the forums and as always stay tuned to Seibertron for the ultimate in Transformers news!

[hausjam]

Bot mode looks really good. Alt modes, well.....

[Stargrave]

So back to Jetfire, which I got last week, he's fine but the QC eaves much to be desired. I was wondering if everyone else had these problems. The right wrist is super loose, so he can't hold his gun straight, it always flops to one side. Also, the ratchets on his thighs are not of the same strength. One side is far weaker than the other. Are all copies like this?

I know I mentioned it a few times here but since you brought it up I've had the issue with his facemask staying on. The first one I got it wouldn't stay on at all so I took it back for another one. The mask stayed on for a few hours then it hasn't stayed on since. It just springs back off like Chromia's knickers. It's the only bummer but I don't want to take him back again.

No issue with the wrists but the genius 5mm palm peg I can see wearing down over time it already is a little delicate when it holds weight, you just get that feeling you know?

A tad loose in the thighs but otherwise the ratchets are pretty awesome especially in the arms and knees.

Those are the only ONLY things that don't make this a perfect toy for me. But I've learned to love him faults and all I mean hey I can't keep my own face mask on some days we've all been there who am I to judge right?

[Stargrave]

After Jetfire I've got to pump the brakes a bit. If Astrotrain goes on clearance I'm on it like Insecticons on a cornfield but he doesn't quite put me over the edge where I'll pay that full price.

I think he looks awesome though. I love the accessories I love how spot on he looks. To me that purple and grey on Astrotrain was always, pow, as important as that purple and green on the Constructicons.

As a kid to me all the colors of the robots really spoke about their characters, and how Astrotrain's vehicle modes had such solid color reversal was just thee cooooolest.

You know with a lot of these Siege figures what I love is that it's not just they look like they did in the cartoon, but how I remember them looking if that makes any sense. Each of them I find a romantic synergy of my childhood memories with my more adult tastes in design and detail.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Astrotrain's steam engine mode looks the best it ever has thanks to the fuel tender covering up his shuttle engines. I have no issues with him being a Leader-class figure with a Voyager-size core robot, I think that's a perfectly valid use of the price point. My one issue with him is him taking the cartoon accuracy to the point of having the fin/chest fail, but I love everything else enough that I can overlook that.

blackeyedprime, CW Ultra Magnus is actually also too small and in his case it's incurable. And SIEGE Magnus' trailer may not open up in vehicle mode, but you can still cram 2 deluxes onto it.

[Sentinel_Primal]

Hm... I wanna say Astrotrain's one I can skip... But that steam engine alt mode's sooooo good...

[blackeyedprime]

The movie crew continues to grow...

Artic megatron will either convince me I need the siege megatron or it wont. Pictures of ratchet on here have convinced me to try and pick one up rather than find another/spend more on a Potpp sepcialist or whatever they are called. Nightbirds pics make her look nice but already having the legends I doubt I'll be picking her up. Prime will be replaced at some point if I could get a siege Prime cheap or maybe the cell shaded.

I think Astrotrain, Springer and Red alert etc all have legs that are too short which makes them look stubby. Astro trains legs are barely longer than his torso but I always liked the style of long legs to bodys (Phantom 2040/Guyver).

[Shockwave640]

I hope my email was received when I too had reported this news about a day or two ago ;m; -Jay Hutchison

Amazing figure though! By no means perfect in either alt mode (though Train wins for me this time) he looks stunning and a great update to the character. I love TR Astrotrain but he isnt all that rememorable.

[Cyberpath]

got a backstory for it, too.

Oh? Do tell. I love a good back story!
Head canon FTW!!!!

Basically, he joined a group of Transformers, each hails from their own alternate dimension, banded together to save realities on the verge of collapse. I never took a group-shot because I didn't buy all the toys I had planned, but the original "cast" included:
LG12 Wingblade as a Perceptor that never returned to his original body and lived on as Nijika.
LG15 Nightbird as a Nightbird that got into a freak accident with Arcee and somehow gained her ability to talk and transform.
TAV 07 Roadblock as a Constructicon we never had.
CW Viper - as a Powerglide that was suborned by the Decepticons & Cobra and ultimately broke free.
And "our" Sunbow Skyfire (that's why he stopped appearing on the show ) as the leader of the group, who at some point wanted to be better fighter so he convinced Perceptor to upgrade him into "Jetfire."
Here's the backstory for (Japan's Headmasters) Brainstorm that I posted a while back -- 1931892#p1932526 (after the Perceptor "review.")
What can I say, I like my toys to have origin stories.
And the best part is that you can have an ever chancing cast. (Like a "Reflector" body that gained his own personality and joined the Autobots, or a white Ultra Magnus with an armour, etc. Almost any toy from any line will do.)

[sol magnus]

Responding to the review post - I love the G1 faithful robot mode on Astrotrain, and I will be getting him, but for Siege I prefer the Cybertronian Alt Modes which gives the Titans Return version a bit of a pop. Ultimately, though, I display in robot mode so I'll be getting the Leader Class when it hits.

[Wolfman Jake]

Responding to the review post - I love the G1 faithful robot mode on Astrotrain, and I will be getting him, but for Siege I prefer the Cybertronian Alt Modes which gives the Titans Return version a bit of a pop. Ultimately, though, I display in robot mode so I'll be getting the Leader Class when it hits.

Interestingly enough, the Titans Return version of Astrotrain serves as a better "Cybertronian" version for the character with its military train and stylized space ship alt modes.

[no-one]

I think this was talked about a few pages back, but I can 100% confirm that Jetfire can be found for $45 at some Walmarts. Head over to the steal of a deal thread here.

[-Kanrabat-]

Allow me to gush again on the special Refraktors 3 pack. I love the fact that most plastics have that special shiny/metallic color. Because said plastics are kinda soft, I don't fear any breakage in the future. But I do hope it will not become gooey from leaking plastifier.

[sol magnus]

Responding to the review post - I love the G1 faithful robot mode on Astrotrain, and I will be getting him, but for Siege I prefer the Cybertronian Alt Modes which gives the Titans Return version a bit of a pop. Ultimately, though, I display in robot mode so I'll be getting the Leader Class when it hits.

Interestingly enough, the Titans Return version of Astrotrain serves as a better "Cybertronian" version for the character with its military train and stylized space ship alt modes.

I agree. But, the robot mode is what's causing me to buy the Leader Class, because I can't move past G1.

[Bounti76]

Thanks to our very own Nathaniel Prime, we have evidence that the final of the original Seeker trio, Thundercracker, has shown up at brick and mortar retail in the U.S.! While he had been originally thought to be in a Wave with Springer, he was delayed to his own Wave instead.




Thundercracker was found at a Walmart in Daytona Beach, Florida. Do you plan on completing the original Seekers? Gonna take a pass on this one? Let us know below! If you've found a new or highly sought after figure, and haven't seen a news story about it, please let us know, with photographic proof, and happy hunting one and all!