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Re: Discussion on Next Live Action Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby GeekyGamer Gal » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:23 am

Burn wrote:But that doesn't say to me Knight "cares", he grew up with them, that doesn't scream "fanboy".

Just seems to me it's two directors who have two different styles working with a bunch of different writers.

And it's time people accepted that the writers need to be held to task/lauded as well instead of blaming/praising just the director. As far as I'm concerned, the Bay movies got progressively worse as the writers changed.

So this whole "Travis Knight cares about the franchise" is baseless. He has a different style to directing and he had a decent writer to work with.


Not completely. I know I mentioned before that I've watched a lot of Knight's LAIKA work, where he's been pretty much everything before directing Kubo and the two strings. In the bonus features for Kubo, Knight pretty much lays out how when he had a basic script for the movie and decided that it was to have a feudal/warring states period feel he dove into research. He spend months researching for how the characters should look, act, on how the sets should look, and what would be considered appropriate for that time period. He reached out to a couple of Japanese historical societies and museums to get the approval for his design choices, and then went above and beyond by making the more fantastical environments reflect the ukiyo-e woodblock prints. It was after he had the look completed that he then worked on the script and reworked it to better reflect what he had researched and changed with his sets and characters.

Knight is by far more meticulous and detail oriented than Bay on how his movie should work, which could be very well a by product of his stop motion animation background. Bay has stated in his interviews/behind the scenes that he's left the research to others and that he focuses more on how the visuals for the special effects look rather than how the scenes flow. I will however also state that the editing process can be a movie killer as well.

Long speech over with just this final comment. Movies have a lot of fingers in the clay shaping them, and yes directors will get most of the credit or blame because their name is always listed first, and they always have the chance to force a writer change or rework the script while in production. :lol: Then if the studio doesn't like it then they'll just fire the director, and get somebody else in there to take the fall. :lol:
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Re: Discussion on Next Live Action Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Ironhidensh » Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:57 pm

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Well, after reading and watching several interviews with Knight, he has made it clear that he is a fan and did a lot of research on the subject. Bay never once made any impression of that sort, he just made Bay movies that had robots in them.
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Re: Discussion on Next Live Action Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Burn » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:50 pm

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So it's not so much that he "cares about Transformers", but more so "he cares about his craft".

I had nothing against Bay's style, but for me, with each change of writers, the movies got worse and worse. Christina Hodson deserves a good chunk of credit as well.
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Re: Discussion on Next Live Action Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:03 pm

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Burn wrote:So it's not so much that he "cares about Transformers", but more so "he cares about his craft".

I had nothing against Bay's style, but for me, with each change of writers, the movies got worse and worse. Christina Hodson deserves a good chunk of credit as well.

As someone who doesn't care about the G1 bleed in with the Cybertron scenes, I would say she deserves most of the credit, I reckon even Bay would have had a hard time turning it into a bad movie.
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Re: Discussion on Next Live Action Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:12 pm

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Burn wrote:So it's not so much that he "cares about Transformers", but more so "he cares about his craft".
I'd say Bay cares very much about his craft. Countless interviews with both him and members of his film and production crew have talked about how meticulous and passionate he is about things like cinematography and special effects. Getting just the right angles, using the best possible technology to capture the scene just right, that sort of thing.

Granted, that's a different kind of "caring about the craft" than what's been said of Knight doing research and showing a loving appreciation towards the source material, but both men love different aspects of the craft.

I think it best boils down to, for better or for worse (it's all opinionated) what Lindsay Ellis once said in one of her video essays discussing the Transformers films through the lenses of film studies:

"In the intersection between the Bay politique and Transformers lies the answer both to why the films have been so successful, and why many fans of the franchise find the films so noxious. Bay politique appeals to a main stream, but it does not line up with the sincere honorship of nostalgia. The message in Michael Bay's Transformers about Transformers is not 'Let's leave these wonderful creations in the innocent world of children where they belong,' it's more along the lines of 'Why would you wanna play with plastic toys when you can play with titties, you *bleep*in' losers?' So when people say 'Michael Bay raped my childhood,' ...what they really mean is Michael Bay added politique to something innocent. Michael Bay took this memory of a property that I hold fondly and robbed it of its magical, nostalgic value by dragging it into this idea of things that 'really' matter like the military, titties, and cars, which are all shown as vastly superior to the childlike quality of the franchise itself. It isn't really even about political affiliation or world views so much as its reverence for the source material, of which Michael Bay has none, which is why people who have a vague memory of the Transformers franchise (i.e. - most people) tend to respond more positively to these movies than people with a more intense knowledge and affinity for the franchise."
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Re: Discussion on Next Live Action Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Burn » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:11 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:I'd say Bay cares very much about his craft.

He does, just because I didn't say doesn't mean I was saying he didn't.

They're two very different Directors who had very different writers.

To me, Bumblebee was an okay movie, it was a definite improvement over Age of Extinction and Last Knight, but I went into Bumblebee burned from those two movies, and that's probably why I don't necessarily agree with everyone who lauds praise on Bumblebee.

What it did prove to me though is that you can actually have a good decent Transformers movie, but what hasn't changed in my mind though is that it comes back to the writers. Bay movies got progressively worse as the writers changed. They found a talent in Hodson who has the potential to be a writer for female leads (we'll see how Birds of Preys (and the blah blah blah of Harley Quinn) goes).

So going forward, they need to find a decent writer who can be backed up by the right Director. The Knight/Hodson combo worked for this particular movie, but on a larger scale with a larger TF cast, I have my reservations about them.
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Re: Discussion on Next Live Action Transformers Film after Bumblebee

Postby Deadput » Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:30 pm

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If it makes any sense I think a difference about how it is could be separated like this.

Bay wanted to craft a good movie that so happened to have Transformers in it.

Knight wanted to craft a good Transformer movie.

Neither are technically inferior to the other, it's just different approaches to a franchise.

It's really just Knight and Bay Seriously their names really make an awesome coincidence for a sentence like that
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Re: Discussion on Next Live Action Transformers Film after Bumblebee

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