Why the Perception of Getting More Repaints than Ever Shows how Good Transformer Fans Have it Now

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Re: Why the Perception of Getting More Repaints than Ever Shows how Good Transformer Fans Have it Now

Postby Mayor_of_Detroit » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:28 am

I’m sure you mean well by collectors, but I don’t think the accessibility of repaints, particularly of minor or “enticing” characters is the issue collectors seem to have. The problem seems to be with the restriction on toy personality, innovation and individual quality. Here are some areas where I think your article could address the discussion further:


1. Quality of Character Representation

For a brand name with a strong emphasis on individual characters, the toys are currently a poor attempt at making each toy’s character feel distinct. Younger fans who are invested in the Siege line will probably look back at their shelf to find only 7 or 8 molds dominate their entire collection.

I understand that seekers were always supposed to be clones of the same jet, and likewise Ratchet feels at home as the white repaint of Ironhide. But there’s no reason why Barricade, Elita-1, Crosshairs, Greenlight, Novastar, Lancer and Slamdance should be repaints of their respective mold predecessors, other than to cull production costs. Most niche’ characters are not receiving a genuine update to their traditional form, alternate mode, transformations or gimmicks. Even classic characters such as Soundwave or Shockwave are fixed in the strange limbo of having their robot modes portray their personalities quite well but have alternate modes which do not capture the feel of their original toys or character theme.

At best, this homogenization of character profiles in toys allows Hasbro to produce a larger range of figures at lower costs to them with less production time. This may have allowed them the budget to reintroduce city-formers. At worst, personality in Transformers toys is now more generic and safer than ever. I grant there is a greater spectrum of G1 characters available, but it’s hard to feel very invested about the character of background seeker number 3.


2. The End of Botcon Exclusives

Many fans were upset to see their Botcon exclusives annual routine come to a close. Admittedly I never read any complaints about the saturation of repaints at Botcon, though this was unsurprising. It’s hard to blame Fun Pub with such a limited design budget. Accessibility of exclusives may have soured some collectors, but almost all of Fun Publication’s molds also saw a widespread retail release. Seasoned collectors were the main audience to obsess over obscure repaints, which just so happened to be the only demographic which could afford exclusives anyway. There was no strong demand among younger collectors to have these exclusives released at wide retail.

Given less production constraints, Botcon exclusives probably would have been new action figures instead. This was something that Marty Isenberg and Derrick J. Wyatt wished for Botcon 2011, but instead had to base most of the Stunticons on Autobot toys. With a retail production budget, there’s no good excuse why minor characters shouldn’t receive a brand-new toy, and following in Botcon’s footsteps by repainting toys to represent these characters isn’t exactly ideal.


3. Definitive versions and Long-term Iterations

The Siege and Generations Select lines lure collectors by finally delivering just about every G1 cartoon character imaginable. This is an exciting opportunity for old school fans, but collectors should remember that definitive or ‘last word’ Transformers toys are a very rare occurrence. Most G1 Transformers will probably receive new figures within the next half decade and many of them could surpass their repaint counterparts.

There is absolutely nothing preventing Hasbro/Takara from making a new Slamdance for another combining-themed line, or a new Crosshairs for a target master reboot, for example. These repaints may seem like rare characters now, but they are in no way definitive versions.

Instead of releasing a wide variety of minor characters as repaints, figures would benefit from having a focussed design with attention to quality and detail. This is probably why the 2010 Generations and Reveal the Shield lines were so well appreciated by fans, and why many of their figures stand as the definitive versions of the characters on the shelves of collectors today. I know I still love my RTS Windcharger.


4. Limitation of Innovation and Visual Styles

Many fans consider War for Cybertron: Siege and Generations: Select to be synonymous with the ongoing Generations/ Classic line. This is something your article mentions itself.

However, the aims of the early Classics lines and Siege are very different. The Classics line wasn’t just about making modern versions of G1 toys; it was about modernizing and paying tribute to all Transformers characters. Obviously G1 would receive a huge focus, but the designers were originally encouraged to tweak the toys a little such as making Onslaught a non-combining Ultra-class figure, swapping out Inferno’s ladder, trying new ways to integrate Nightstick with Cyclonus, removing Bumblebee’s weapons, or packaging an entirely new Ravage figure with Hound. Even non-G1 characters such as Lugnut or Dinobot could receive updated designs which were refreshing.

The sky was the limit with the 2006-2011 classics figures and personally, I don’t think the new Siege toys carry its legacy very well. As a serious fan of the Beast Era and Transformers: Animated, I feel incredibly alienated by retail Transformers today. Accessibility for toys I’m hunting down is lower than it ever has been. We seem to be stuck in this void where everything must look like a blocky G1 toy, with rectangular forearms, a gun, and a Cybertronian vehicle mode. Some characters and their toys benefit from this visual style, like Optimus and Omega Supreme, but within the entire Transformers cannon there are far too many losers.


Wrap-up

Fans shouldn’t be afraid to ask for more from Hasbro, and collectors shouldn’t feel like they miss out if they don’t buy a disappointing figure. Transformers lines oversaturated with repaints will continue to exist as long as collectors will buy them.

Once upon a time, the Transformers Live Action films were the main Transformers lines, and fans were more than happy to give Hasbro a kind word of disapproval. Now we have an entirely new movie line of generally great quality which is almost universally praised. These improvements don’t happen overnight. It’s up to collectors to stick with their guns and voice their concerns, otherwise we’ll be stuck buying multicoloured fembot repaints forever.
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Re: Why the Perception of Getting More Repaints than Ever Shows how Good Transformer Fans Have it Now

Postby Optimum Supreme » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:39 am

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Rysquad wrote:I'm all for repaints.

I just wish that Magnus Prime was more Ultra Magnus than Optimus Prime.



Not me. Only reason I bought that set was because "Magnus Prime" was a slight recolor of Takara's Ginrai, making it a much more appealing remake of Powermaster Prime then the disappointing Hasbro version of PmP was.
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Re: Why the Perception of Getting More Repaints than Ever Shows how Good Transformer Fans Have it Now

Postby gothsaurus » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:50 pm

I think Siege is a good getting-back-to-basics line... rather than letting gimmicks dominate (headmasters, combiner ports, power cores, etc.). Those all are fun but hurt the designs. Look at the kid toys for goodness sake.

I for one am glad to see the current line simply focusing on transforming robots. (mind you, I do recognize the parts forming bots and target master buddies. Those are great as a side gimmick on smaller scale. Great fun.)

As for making distinct mold and changes, they are giving us quite a lot of distinct heads and accessories (even facial expressions), plus some "heavy retooling" in the form of Galaxy Prime VS Magnus, etc. I think we will see more of this as the line continues.

At the root of it, I think the concept of really adhering to the G1 early cartoon episodes is a great concept. It's something they haven't done before, and I think a lot of us are grateful for it... and putting our money where our mouth is because of it.

I see your points, but truly see this line as a dream come true... in spite of the shortcomings you list above.
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Re: Why the Perception of Getting More Repaints than Ever Shows how Good Transformer Fans Have it Now

Postby Lunatic Prime » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:52 pm

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Re: Why the Perception of Getting More Repaints than Ever Shows how Good Transformer Fans Have it Now

Postby gothsaurus » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:54 pm

What's your complaint?
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Postby Lunatic Prime » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:58 pm

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gothsaurus wrote:What's your complaint?

I don't know yet :-?
Maybe more like wishes for the future. But as we are talking here about complaining to Hasbro and forming the future of the brand as fans and buyers now it would be nice to know what's the best way to do that.
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Re: Why the Perception of Getting More Repaints than Ever Shows how Good Transformer Fans Have it Now

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:58 pm

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Lunatic Prime wrote:What is the best address to give a complaint to :HASBRO: / :TAKARATOMY: ?

It would be to their customer services department and you'd get a better response from hasbro.
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Re: Why the Perception of Getting More Repaints than Ever Shows how Good Transformer Fans Have it Now

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:03 pm

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gothsaurus wrote:What's your complaint?

I don't know yet :-?
Maybe more like wishes for the future. But as we are talking here about complaining to Hasbro and forming the future of the brand as fans and buyers now it would be nice to know what's the best way to do that.

E-mail Hasbro via the customer service section of their website.
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Lunatic Prime wrote:What is the best address to give a complaint to :HASBRO: / :TAKARATOMY: ?

Just fill out the form right here: https://hasbro-new.custhelp.com/app/age ... direct/ask
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Postby gothsaurus » Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:55 pm

I'd note — be sure to include things you like, that they are doing right, and things you'd like to see.

I think our fanbase has an overwhelming reputation for being negative and hard to please. Anything we can do to change that is great.
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Re: Why the Perception of Getting More Repaints than Ever Shows how Good Transformer Fans Have it Now

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:03 pm

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Postby gothsaurus » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:07 pm

Good man!
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Postby william-james88 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:46 pm

-Kanrabat- wrote: Well, I could. If I could buy those special repaints via a normal online store in Canada without having to pay high shipping price and reseller mark-ups.


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Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:47 pm

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I can't really be mad about exclusives that are repaints, it's a nice thing they are doing by giving us more characters.

And I have no problem with repaints so long as the mold makes sense. Seekers and Datsuns are no problem because they are supposed to share the mold.
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Re: Why the Perception of Getting More Repaints than Ever Shows how Good Transformer Fans Have it Now

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:58 pm

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One thing that did bother me is when they took a mold, slapped paint on it and called it a character it looked nothing like. If they painted a helicopter red and blue and called it Optimus Prime.
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Re: Why the Perception of Getting More Repaints than Ever Shows how Good Transformer Fans Have it Now

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:09 pm

Motto: "It's unnerving and insulting when people in a toy-based fandom, whatever it is, make statements to the effect that general consumers and fans of lesser financial means should be deprived entirely of the ability to partake of the primary market."
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chuckdawg1999 wrote:One thing that did bother me is when they took a mold, slapped paint on it and called it a character it looked nothing like. If they painted a helicopter red and blue and called it Optimus Prime.

Does that extend to the Go-Bots reference redecoes?
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Re: Why the Perception of Getting More Repaints than Ever Shows how Good Transformer Fans Have it Now

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:27 pm

Motto: "The man, the myth, the legend... yeah right."
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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:One thing that did bother me is when they took a mold, slapped paint on it and called it a character it looked nothing like. If they painted a helicopter red and blue and called it Optimus Prime.

Does that extend to the Go-Bots reference redecoes?


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Re: Why the Perception of Getting More Repaints than Ever Shows how Good Transformer Fans Have it Now

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:16 pm

Motto: "It's unnerving and insulting when people in a toy-based fandom, whatever it is, make statements to the effect that general consumers and fans of lesser financial means should be deprived entirely of the ability to partake of the primary market."
Weapon: Galaxial Rocket Launcher
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:One thing that did bother me is when they took a mold, slapped paint on it and called it a character it looked nothing like. If they painted a helicopter red and blue and called it Optimus Prime.

Does that extend to the Go-Bots reference redecoes?


I'm drawing a blank, old age is terrible

Just about any of them, really... BotCon Bug-Bite, 2007 Fracture, the Takara Minibots redeco set...
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Re: Why the Perception of Getting More Repaints than Ever Shows how Good Transformer Fans Have it Now

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:02 am

Motto: "The man, the myth, the legend... yeah right."
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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:One thing that did bother me is when they took a mold, slapped paint on it and called it a character it looked nothing like. If they painted a helicopter red and blue and called it Optimus Prime.

Does that extend to the Go-Bots reference redecoes?


I'm drawing a blank, old age is terrible

Just about any of them, really... BotCon Bug-Bite, 2007 Fracture, the Takara Minibots redeco set...


I thought you were talking about the G2 Hot-Wheelish cars.
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Re: Why the Perception of Getting More Repaints than Ever Shows how Good Transformer Fans Have it Now

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:06 am

Motto: "It's unnerving and insulting when people in a toy-based fandom, whatever it is, make statements to the effect that general consumers and fans of lesser financial means should be deprived entirely of the ability to partake of the primary market."
Weapon: Galaxial Rocket Launcher
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:One thing that did bother me is when they took a mold, slapped paint on it and called it a character it looked nothing like. If they painted a helicopter red and blue and called it Optimus Prime.

Does that extend to the Go-Bots reference redecoes?


I'm drawing a blank, old age is terrible

Just about any of them, really... BotCon Bug-Bite, 2007 Fracture, the Takara Minibots redeco set...


I thought you were talking about the G2 Hot-Wheelish cars.

No, I was talking about the assorted redecoes referencing the actual '80s Go-Bots franchise.
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Postby chuckdawg1999 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:15 am

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:One thing that did bother me is when they took a mold, slapped paint on it and called it a character it looked nothing like. If they painted a helicopter red and blue and called it Optimus Prime.

Does that extend to the Go-Bots reference redecoes?


I'm drawing a blank, old age is terrible

Just about any of them, really... BotCon Bug-Bite, 2007 Fracture, the Takara Minibots redeco set...


I thought you were talking about the G2 Hot-Wheelish cars.

No, I was talking about the assorted redecoes referencing the actual '80s Go-Bots franchise.


I think the only one I have is bug bite and I have no strong feelings either way, it's just there.
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Postby -Kanrabat- » Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:10 am

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:No, I was talking about the assorted redecoes referencing the actual '80s Go-Bots franchise.


I don't have Universe Mirage, but I have this rocking beauty.

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Honestly, it work really well.
I don't like Siege Mirage at all, but if they do a Crasher redeco with a new face mold, I'd be all over it. :x

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Re: Why the Perception of Getting More Repaints than Ever Shows how Good Transformer Fans Have it Now

Postby ZeroWolf » Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:09 am

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Fracture is one of my favourite designs, the deco is just so good
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Re: Why the Perception of Getting More Repaints than Ever Shows how Good Transformer Fans Have it Now

Postby gothsaurus » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:54 am

yeah funny, the redecos you mentioned I actually really loved... Fracture and the Minibots.... and evil bug to play against Bumblebee. That stuff is great story fodder. All gets the imagination going.

I love getting new characters, especially when they throw us a bone and do some character development via comic or bio.

A few favorites that jump out: Glyph, TapOut, Ferak, various Botcon femmebots, Nacelle...
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