Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:31 pm

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The brand divergence had a huge downside, though. Prior to brand unification, QC was getting patchier and patchier in both the Hasbro and Takara lines (I seem to recall pleeenty of QC complaints in the Legends and UW threads). After brand unification, it stayed hit or miss during the transitional period of PotP and initial Studio Series, before shaping up notably during SIEGE. Horrendous QC faults can be hard to fix or get replacements for (especially on import figures).

Paint austerity, on the other hand, can be easily amended in various ways.

Something to consider: Yes, the back of Arcee's waist is unpainted, but it'd also usually be hidden by her backpack. For my money, it looks less off than T30 Arcee's highly visible unpainted car interior.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:42 pm

Well, there's also the red lips that do make a difference to me. Some of her character models have the same chalk white skin while others are light pink ... that's a judgement call.

But it's her vehicle mode that suffers the most. It doesn't even have the grey paint the render had. No blue for the lights either, no nothing. It's the blandest execution of her vehicle mode possible - and it was already very bland.

I think the qc comparisons are a myth. They're made in the same factories, or so I heard. I have plenty of both and haven't noticed anything better or worse QC-wise.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:40 pm

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Gauntlet101010 wrote:Well, there's also the red lips that do make a difference to me. Some of her character models have the same chalk white skin while others are light pink ... that's a judgement call.

But it's her vehicle mode that suffers the most. It doesn't even have the grey paint the render had. No blue for the lights either, no nothing. It's the blandest execution of her vehicle mode possible - and it was already very bland.

I think the qc comparisons are a myth. They're made in the same factories, or so I heard. I have plenty of both and haven't noticed anything better or worse QC-wise.
Takara QC being better than Hasbro is a myth, yes, since Takara oversees the factories. What's not a myth is that before brand unification, QC complaints were piling up across the board.

Now that the brands are unified, QC seems to have stabilized (at least, based on what I've seen).

Regarding the vehicle mode, the sculpt is heavily at fault there. The front fenders are poorly defined compared to the animation model, the sides don't curve inward towards the middle enough, and the splashers for the wheels are overly flat... It really does feel like an unwise attempt to copy MP Arcee at Deluxe size.

As far as paint goes, I'm glad they dropped the half-painted doors instead of the painted seats.

I really do think they should have made her a Titan Master to balance out the shortcomings.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:52 pm

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I really do think they should have made her a Titan Master to balance out the shortcomings.

Total agreement here. It wouldn't have made the figure better overall, but it would have made her different. Different enough to be more worth the effort.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:59 pm

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I'll just post a few hot takes after watching the Arcee and Allicon reviews. First off, Allicon looks great. It's not absolutely perfect, but its the first official toy of the character(s) and it's really close enough in terms of overall look, plastic colors, paint applications, and details that make the silhouette very accurate and pleasing to longtime fans. I'll be buying (at least) three of them to go along with my army of Titans Return and Legends Sharkticons.

Unfortunately, Arcee is just one big disappointment. The ONLY thing this new Earthrise figure has on the Takara Tomy Legends version from five years ago is that the rear of the car is more screen accurate in shape. That's literally it. Okay, maybe also the ankle tilts, but that really is it. I'm choosing to compare the new ER version to the older LG version specifically as it is, in my opinion, the best release of that mold. Hasbro's Thrilling 30 and Platinum versions both had more inaccurate paint applications, as compared to the original G1 cartoon character model and on-screen appearances. The robot mode for ER Arcee looks very good, but the LG one looks even better. The lack of pink paint on the face of the ER figure is just sad, and several other key color details on the figure are either missing, like white on the FRONT of the shoulder pauldrons in robot mode, or just wrong, like the pink plastic feet or the clear blue fin for car mode. The LG figure also legitimately transforms. ER Arcee is not only a complete shellformer, she's also partially a partsformer! Yikes! Even though having the robot mode thighs stick out on the back fenders of the LG mold is not accurate to the G1 cartoon, it still looks fine in alt mode due to some excellent design and makes for a much more complex and satisfying transformation that doesn't require you to take off half the car to avoid a huge backpack. How did the designers so utterly fail to improve upon the T30 mold from 5 years ago? If you have either of the Hasbro versions of T30/LG Arcee, I can see how the ER version would be a slight improvement in some respects, mainly regarding color accuracy, but the LG version looks like a mini Masterpiece figure, and might even be better proportioned than the actual upcoming Masterpiece Arcee figure! Earthrise Arcee is a rare pass for me.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:50 pm

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Funny you should bring up MP Arcee. I blame that figure for what a mess the Earthrise one is - the ER figure smacks of being a foolhardy attempt to replicate that at Deluxe size.

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You'd think they'd have learned their lesson about that sort of thing after what happened with these disasters.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I really do think they should have made her a Titan Master to balance out the shortcomings.

Total agreement here. It wouldn't have made the figure better overall, but it would have made her different. Different enough to be more worth the effort.
And it would be a more accessible Headmaster Arcee than the exclusive.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby blackeyedprime » Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:28 am

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Looks like they could use the allicon for a streets sharks or extreme dinos cross over :p

I might be tempted to remove the allicon arms from one of them in bot mode. They could have had them separate like some of the G1 seacons, it already has the back section to pop on anyway that none of the videos showed. Kind of nice that it has two weapons with it.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby AcademyofDrX » Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:13 am

Gauntlet101010 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I really do think they should have made her a Titan Master to balance out the shortcomings.

Total agreement here. It wouldn't have made the figure better overall, but it would have made her different. Different enough to be more worth the effort.

It was a convention/retailer exclusive with confusing distribution, but we just got a Titan Master Arcee three years ago. The TMs we've gotten in WfC were the last of the standard headmasters, they're exceptional. I'm disappointed in the figure, but valuing G1 accuracy with removable kibble is more consistent with the overall line than another Headmaster would be.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby sol magnus » Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:18 am

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According to Walmart .com Wave 2 is supposed to be available 9/1/2020 and Wave 3 11/1/2020. I realize these are probably floating dates, but even if that's true Wave 2 is going to be short. Seems like those guys (whatever I'm getting for myself and my son) will have to be gotten pretty quickly.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:20 am

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You could argue that its G1 accurate to her depiction in the rebirth ;) Though I ultimately agree that it was unlikely to ever happen. Especially as we creep towards the movies 35th anniversary next year.
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New Video Reviews of Transformers Earthrise Deluxe Class Airwave and Leader Class Doubledealer

Postby ZeroWolf » Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:27 am

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Greetings Seibertronians! If the video reviews of Deluxe Class Arcee and Allicon weren't enough for you, fellow Seibertron user, LinaNui, has let us know that YouTube toy reviewer, TonTon, has reviewed another Wave 2 Deluxe! This time, its Airwave's turn. Just like Wave 1 Ironworks, Airwave is an update of one of the Micromaster bases from late G1 and is a modulizer to allow for different layouts and connect to other tf bases! As with the weaponisers from Siege, he can also become armour for compatible figures.

Thats not all though as fellow Seibertron user, Grimmtrigger, has also done a review of the new leader Class Doubledealer! This is an update to one of the original Powermasters from G1 and can triple change just like the original, going from missile carrying truck, to giant bird, to robot mode. While he has lost the powermaster gimmick of his original toy, he does have compatability with the cassette gimmick that Soundwave enjoyed back in Siege.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby AcademyofDrX » Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:28 am

sol magnus wrote:According to Walmart .com Wave 2 is supposed to be available 9/1/2020 and Wave 3 11/1/2020. I realize these are probably floating dates, but even if that's true Wave 2 is going to be short. Seems like those guys (whatever I'm getting for myself and my son) will have to be gotten pretty quickly.

Time between initial distribution of waves /= length of distribution of those waves.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:49 am

Also keep in mind that Wave 1's original date was March 1st and the dates for waves 2 and 3 were set in late Feb/early March when they were first revealed. I believe Hasbro indicated they were planning for a disruption/delay due to Covid-19 when setting those dates, so the 6 month gap between waves 1 and 2 followed by a 2 month gap was probably their best guess in Feb/March on where Covid-19 would slow things down and then pick up again. I would not be surprised to see wave 2 move up a little bit now that wave 1 appears to have hit saturation in most of the US.

Looking at my old toy haul photos, I just realized that the target exclusives have leapfrogged both waves 2 and 3 as compared to last year. I found the Rainmakers relatively early at the end of July last year and had the wave 3 deluxes and Smashdown by then.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:53 am

AcademyofDrX wrote:
Gauntlet101010 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I really do think they should have made her a Titan Master to balance out the shortcomings.

Total agreement here. It wouldn't have made the figure better overall, but it would have made her different. Different enough to be more worth the effort.

It was a convention/retailer exclusive with confusing distribution, but we just got a Titan Master Arcee three years ago. The TMs we've gotten in WfC were the last of the standard headmasters, they're exceptional. I'm disappointed in the figure, but valuing G1 accuracy with removable kibble is more consistent with the overall line than another Headmaster would be.

Unlike Scorpinok, you mean? ;)

Titan Master Arcee is a pink Blur. I mean, it exists. But it's not really a great representation of Headmaster Arcee.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby sol magnus » Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:06 am

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AcademyofDrX wrote:
sol magnus wrote:According to Walmart .com Wave 2 is supposed to be available 9/1/2020 and Wave 3 11/1/2020. I realize these are probably floating dates, but even if that's true Wave 2 is going to be short. Seems like those guys (whatever I'm getting for myself and my son) will have to be gotten pretty quickly.

Time between initial distribution of waves /= length of distribution of those waves.

I'm aware of that. However, we do have the final installment of the trilogy to look forward to, and there may be some butting up against the timeline for release of that sub-line. I'm just going by the dates - which TDLR don't necessarily mean anything, but also could mean something.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Black Hat » Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:07 am

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Gauntlet101010 wrote:
AcademyofDrX wrote:
Gauntlet101010 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I really do think they should have made her a Titan Master to balance out the shortcomings.

Total agreement here. It wouldn't have made the figure better overall, but it would have made her different. Different enough to be more worth the effort.

It was a convention/retailer exclusive with confusing distribution, but we just got a Titan Master Arcee three years ago. The TMs we've gotten in WfC were the last of the standard headmasters, they're exceptional. I'm disappointed in the figure, but valuing G1 accuracy with removable kibble is more consistent with the overall line than another Headmaster would be.

Unlike Scorpinok, you mean? ;)

Titan Master Arcee is a pink Blur. I mean, it exists. But it's not really a great representation of Headmaster Arcee.

QFT. TR Arcee is just not very good. Not even because she's not that accurate, but rather because she's so obviously just Blurr in very bad cosplay. Also the attempt to meld Blurr's cockpit chest with Arcee's traditional torso design makes her look like she's wearing a see-through top, which is admittedly rather funny.

Honestly, I'd rather we just got a redesigned Arcee at this point. If Megatron can be a tank (which I wholeheartedly support) I see no reason why Arcee can't have a robot mode that can actually transform without just being a retool of a guy. Someone posted a redesign of Arcee, and I have to say I quite like it.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:27 am

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Black Hat wrote:
Gauntlet101010 wrote:
AcademyofDrX wrote:
Gauntlet101010 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I really do think they should have made her a Titan Master to balance out the shortcomings.

Total agreement here. It wouldn't have made the figure better overall, but it would have made her different. Different enough to be more worth the effort.

It was a convention/retailer exclusive with confusing distribution, but we just got a Titan Master Arcee three years ago. The TMs we've gotten in WfC were the last of the standard headmasters, they're exceptional. I'm disappointed in the figure, but valuing G1 accuracy with removable kibble is more consistent with the overall line than another Headmaster would be.

Unlike Scorpinok, you mean? ;)

Titan Master Arcee is a pink Blur. I mean, it exists. But it's not really a great representation of Headmaster Arcee.

QFT. TR Arcee is just not very good. Not even because she's not that accurate, but rather because she's so obviously just Blurr in very bad cosplay. Also the attempt to meld Blurr's cockpit chest with Arcee's traditional torso design makes her look like she's wearing a see-through top, which is admittedly rather funny.

Honestly, I'd rather we just got a redesigned Arcee at this point. If Megatron can be a tank (which I wholeheartedly support) I see no reason why Arcee can't have a robot mode that can actually transform without just being a retool of a guy. Someone posted a redesign of Arcee, and I have to say I quite like it.
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Still looks feminine without just looking like a non-transforming gynoid wearing a backpack.

That's a pretty nifty design, I think it works quite well. I'd be all for that, honestly G1 Arcee as she was, is perfect fodder for the R.E.D line. She'd be perfect there.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Dr. Caelus » Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:27 am

I'd kind of like to see Arcee as a helicopter.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Black Hat » Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:36 am

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If we're talking different alt modes for her I'd love to see her as a Daihatsu Copen...
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:13 pm

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Her existing altmode, when properly shaped, is pretty close to being a Corvette.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:
AcademyofDrX wrote:
Gauntlet101010 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I really do think they should have made her a Titan Master to balance out the shortcomings.

Total agreement here. It wouldn't have made the figure better overall, but it would have made her different. Different enough to be more worth the effort.

It was a convention/retailer exclusive with confusing distribution, but we just got a Titan Master Arcee three years ago. The TMs we've gotten in WfC were the last of the standard headmasters, they're exceptional. I'm disappointed in the figure, but valuing G1 accuracy with removable kibble is more consistent with the overall line than another Headmaster would be.

Unlike Scorpinok, you mean? ;)

Titan Master Arcee is a pink Blur. I mean, it exists. But it's not really a great representation of Headmaster Arcee.
Not to mention, it's rarespensive.

Black Hat wrote:QFT. TR Arcee is just not very good. Not even because she's not that accurate, but rather because she's so obviously just Blurr in very bad cosplay. Also the attempt to meld Blurr's cockpit chest with Arcee's traditional torso design makes her look like she's wearing a see-through top, which is admittedly rather funny.
Eh, "very bad cosplay" would be if they hadn't given her the new shield, upper arms, and hand covers. They weren't going to make an entirely new Deluxe mold for an exclusive, and out of all the Titans Return molds, Blurr was the most suitable.

Black Hat wrote:Honestly, I'd rather we just got a redesigned Arcee at this point. If Megatron can be a tank (which I wholeheartedly support) I see no reason why Arcee can't have a robot mode that can actually transform without just being a retool of a guy. Someone posted a redesign of Arcee, and I have to say I quite like it.
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Still looks feminine without just looking like a non-transforming gynoid wearing a backpack.
The thing is,the recent tank Megatrons have still preserved the Walther-based legs and and arms for the sake of still resembling the cartoon design. And Arcee's design ended up with humanoid legs... The fact that she has a curvy car mode as well as a curvy robot mode means that it should be possible to make that design transformable (unlike Elita's squad, where they'd be better off giving up on most of the bot mode curves because of the boxy, angular altmodes). The T30 toy already proves that better integration is possible (and doesn't idiotically go out of its way to try vanishing the wheels), and I'm certain there are ways to improve beyond that... I reiterate that it would help if she'd gotten a toy in 1986 like she was supposed to, because then designers would have that as a baseline to work off of instead of just the animation model.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby AcademyofDrX » Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:34 pm

All I'm saying is, we got Apeface and Snapdragon and Skorponok because they were skipped in Titans Return. Arcee only got a minor retool, but she still got a figure. It wasn't her turn.

Think of it this way: if we had gotten a proper Headmaster Arcee, how many people would instead be complaining that the T30 figure was overdue for an update?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:19 pm

That's an odd way of looking at it considering vanilla Arcee already had a figure that was a G1 robot mode with a G1 vehicle mode. Either way it's a retread.

It's not like Earthrise is a line that's afraid of retreading characters.

Although we're getting away from talking about the figures themselves now...
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise Discussion Thread

Postby Tuned Agent » Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:52 pm

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For added fun, add back some of the black from the T30 release, increase the white, give her a red light and boom, world's cutest police car, and also stealth homage to the pink vehicle from Power Rangers SPD/Dekaranger!
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I've always thought a Dodge Viper would be a pretty sweet alt mode for Arcee.

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Postby Dr. Caelus » Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:03 pm

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New Video Reviews of Transformers Earthrise Deluxe Class Smokescreen and Decepticon Clones Two-Pack

Postby ZeroWolf » Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:51 am

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Greetings Seibertronians! The flood of video reviews continue as we have two new ones for you all to look at!

The first comes from Jon Toys Reviews on YouTube and is the final Wave 2 Deluxe, Smokescreen! This is an earth mode version of the character that was released as part of Generations Selects last year, as a redeco/retool of Siege Prowl. This time round it looks like Smokescreen nabbed the retail spot while rumours have it that Prowl is the exclusive.

The second review is of the Target exclusive Decepticon Clones two pack, and comes from Seibertron's own, Chuckdawg1999.

Here's his thoughts on these releases:
Chuckdawg1999 wrote:They're TWINS! The Decepticon clones are one of those, or two of those, rare almost forgotten teams from the later part of G1. Originally released under the Titans Return banner, this set is a US release of the Japanese decos. They're simple figures that can be fiddly at times, but really don't move the needle one way or the other. If you had them as a kid like I did You'll probably be moved to pick them up.


Check out both video reviews here!

Jon Toys Reviews Earthrise Smokescreen



Chuckdawg1999 Reviews Target Exclusive Decepticon Clones two pack



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