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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Emerje » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:12 am

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o.supreme wrote:I really hope Slammer is a weaponizer, since all the other Titan partners are as well, for the sake of consistency

Pretty sure a leak said Slammer wasn't a Weaponizer and it makes sense since all of the Weaponizers (and Modulators) have had repaints and Hasbro has now moved on to Fossilizers. If for some reason they did make a new Weaponizer for Slammer then what would his repaint be?

I'm not convinced that Primal is the same size as Prime. Yeah, his legs are bent, but being closer to to the camera should make up for that. At best I would say he's a head shorter coming to Prime's shoulders.

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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:40 am

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griftimus prime wrote:what a missed opportunity. if they HAVE to be the same animals they had a chance here to make new cool looks for these animals and bot modes. like transmetals or something. there are so many molds of primal that exist already for example.



True and the Season One show designs are the most uninteresting. Cheetor's design for example, is hideous. Even the MP. By the same token, his Transmetal 1 design is one of the best in the show. Which is why my curiosity was piqued by Polar Claw, but alas. The Beast Wars toyline had far more interesting designs than you ever really saw in the first season of the show.

However, much like the G1 CHUG lines, some are never happy unless we get the same looks repeated over and over again. In the case of G1, Updated annually. Because, "better" colours/engineering/scale/whatever.
Making them look as different as night and.. later that night.

Even if they did have to stick to the show cast (ala what the MP line is already doing) leaning more into the more visceral designs of the toys would have been better. Which they kind of have with Blackarachnia's Beast Mode. However, the Bot Modes still have to be akin to the show. So in spite of the whining, I agree it is a missed opportunity. However, since Earthrise, I think the entirety of WFC has been.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:26 am

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I don't think counting what the mps are doing as to what Generations should do is unfair. Takara is in charge of the Masterpiece line whole Hasbro does Generations, so one should not control what thd others release and vice versa. I don't think there's anything wrong with this approach as it's the first time that Beast Wars has gotten the attention. Had this been the third attempt with beasts in the main line then fine, mix it up, but as this is their grand revival, keep it simple.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:35 am

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I seem to recall there was a previous anniversary line for Beast Wars. Although from what I've seen of them, they look awful. But (not comparing them in a quality sense) when it comes to this line and MP, regardless of who is putting it out, purely on a repetition of design, it is like...

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The anniversary of Beast Wars doesn't limit the designs to season one.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:39 am

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I seem to recall there was a previous anniversary line for Beast Wars. Although from what I've seen of them, they look awful.
The 2006 line? That was just the old 1996-1998 molds, plus the Cyber Key-compatible Primal and Megatron toys.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:46 am

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Yeah, that's the one. With these things:

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As far as WFC is concerned. A modern update to the Transmetals would have been a lot more in keeping with the rest of the line.

Alternatively WFC consisting of the Original Beast Wars roster could have been a better way of acknowledging the anniversary.

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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:47 am

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Yeah but to be blunt, Hasbro doesn't care about Takara's Masterpiece line. However, something important to consider. We only know the full retail breakdown of the line. Amazon exclusives could still give you Transmetals.

Also something else i didn't think about before. Using Season 1 designs makes it easier for Netflix when they get around to animating it, they won't have to waste time explaining why some of the cast are in s1 bodies and why some are Transmetals etc


Then there's also the comic to think about...:lol:
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:03 am

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Plus, let's not put the cart in front of the ox. Beast Wars S01 first.

Then I'm pretty sure the next trilogy will go full Beasts. We will see the Transmetals and even some Beast Machines.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:41 am

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ZeroWolf wrote: Amazon exclusives could still give you Transmetals.


I doubt that. Transmetals are more than just redecos. No season one design even shares the slightest visual cue with their Transmetal counterpart. Barring some faces.

ZeroWolf wrote:Then there's also the comic to think about...:lol:


I'd rather not >:oP


-Kanrabat- wrote:Plus, let's not put the cart in front of the ox. Beast Wars S01 first.

Then I'm pretty sure the next trilogy will go full Beasts. We will see the Transmetals and even some Beast Machines.


Cynically, I don't see WFC being the swansong to the G1-fixation of the past few years. As many of us might have hoped.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:47 am

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Earthrise Ironhide is more then a redeco ;) neither was Repungus and Punch/ Counterpunch.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:49 am

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Cynically, I don't see WFC being the swansong to the G1-fixation of the past few years. As many of us might have hoped.


I don't know about that. Studio Series will take over for a while. This may allow Generations to explore new grounds. It will still remain "mini MP" for a while. I'd love them to revisit the Unicron Trilogy.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:53 am

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I would love to see something done with UT, Animated etc But, I mean this year is the 20th anniversary of Car Robots and, in spite of COVID, they’ve chosen to all but ignore it in favour of more G1.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Sentinel_Primal » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:23 am

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Bad news everyone: According to Pixelmaster on TFW (another credible leaker):
No trans metals
No Terrorsaur, Tarantulas and Inferno unless Kingdom does well
No show (mainframe) accurate retools, at most it’ll be in the same vein of Walmart 35th
The toy head in leaked copies aren’t in the final toy because toy BA is in selects

So it would appear that we won't be getting the whole S1 Predacon cast unless it sells well, and the alternate faceplate finally has an actual home
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Razorbeast88 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:29 am

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Sentinel_Primal wrote:Bad news everyone: According to Pixelmaster on TFW (another credible leaker):
No trans metals
No Terrorsaur, Tarantulas and Inferno unless Kingdom does well
No show (mainframe) accurate retools, at most it’ll be in the same vein of Walmart 35th
The toy head in leaked copies aren’t in the final toy because toy BA is in selects

So it would appear that we won't be getting the whole S1 Predacon cast unless it sells well, and the alternate faceplate finally has an actual home


On the optimistic side, im sure kingdom will sell well. There are plenty of BW fans and im sure even non-BW fans are gonna jump on that leader Megatron
Plenty of g1 fans are likely to get cyclonus, galvatron, and earth mode magnus as well

Its been a very slow transition but im hoping the generations toyline is headed in the direction of beast wars
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:32 am

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Sentinel_Primal wrote:Bad news everyone: According to Pixelmaster on TFW (another credible leaker):
No trans metals
No Terrorsaur, Tarantulas and Inferno unless Kingdom does well
No show (mainframe) accurate retools, at most it’ll be in the same vein of Walmart 35th
The toy head in leaked copies aren’t in the final toy because toy BA is in selects

So it would appear that we won't be getting the whole S1 Predacon cast unless it sells well, and the alternate faceplate finally has an actual home

Interesting, but not surprising. Any more rumours about comander class?
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:35 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:
Sentinel_Primal wrote:Bad news everyone: According to Pixelmaster on TFW (another credible leaker):
No trans metals
No Terrorsaur, Tarantulas and Inferno unless Kingdom does well
No show (mainframe) accurate retools, at most it’ll be in the same vein of Walmart 35th
The toy head in leaked copies aren’t in the final toy because toy BA is in selects

So it would appear that we won't be getting the whole S1 Predacon cast unless it sells well, and the alternate faceplate finally has an actual home

Interesting, but not surprising. Any more rumours about comander class?
Didn't one of the leakers finally declare that it's Rodimus Prime?
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:36 am

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Not all bad news though as

No Terrorsaur, Tarantulas and Inferno unless Kingdom does well


That potentially paves the way for one of them being the next Beast Wars MP. Personally looking forward to all three of these in that line.

Plus, as mentioned before, in light of Starscream, Cyclonus and Waspinator. I wasn't expecting Terrorsaur in Kingdom.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Sentinel_Primal » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:36 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:
Sentinel_Primal wrote:Bad news everyone: According to Pixelmaster on TFW (another credible leaker):
No trans metals
No Terrorsaur, Tarantulas and Inferno unless Kingdom does well
No show (mainframe) accurate retools, at most it’ll be in the same vein of Walmart 35th
The toy head in leaked copies aren’t in the final toy because toy BA is in selects

So it would appear that we won't be getting the whole S1 Predacon cast unless it sells well, and the alternate faceplate finally has an actual home

Interesting, but not surprising. Any more rumours about comander class?

I believe one of the leakers confirmed it's just Rodimus Prime woth a bunch of accessories, but don't quote me on that cause I think it was said in the SS86 thread and I mainly only check out Kingdom's for leaks
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:18 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Not all bad news though as

No Terrorsaur, Tarantulas and Inferno unless Kingdom does well


That potentially paves the way for one of them being the next Beast Wars MP. Personally looking forward to all three of these in that line.

Plus, as mentioned before, in light of Starscream, Cyclonus and Waspinator. I wasn't expecting Terrorsaur in Kingdom.

As I said earlier, who or who isn't in Kingdom doesn't have any bearings on who or who isn't getting a Beast Wars Masterpiece figure. In fact it's entirely possible that Terrorsaur could getba Generations figure the exact same time as getting an MP. Takara don't care about what Hasbro does with Kingdom, the same as Hasbro don't care about the Masterpiece line (other than the Movie Masterpiece line of course)
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby bluecatcinema » Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:19 pm

Call me an optimist, but I'm pretty sure Kingdom is going to do well.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby william-james88 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:44 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Not all bad news though as

No Terrorsaur, Tarantulas and Inferno unless Kingdom does well


That potentially paves the way for one of them being the next Beast Wars MP.


I don't see how what comes out in one line has anything to do with what comes out in the other. They are 100% mutually exclusive.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:04 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Not all bad news though as

No Terrorsaur, Tarantulas and Inferno unless Kingdom does well


That potentially paves the way for one of them being the next Beast Wars MP.


I don't see how what comes out in one line has anything to do with what comes out in the other. They are 100% mutually exclusive.

Exactly
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Deadput » Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:24 pm

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MP's are collectors items, not action figures.

Entirely separate lines that have never had anything to do with Generations or other toy lines.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby blackeyedprime » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:04 pm

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Plus MP Rattrap was teased way back when so he will likely be the next beast wars MP.

Indemand is saying Kingdoms due to arrive late November (likely December) on their farcebook page update 15/10/20 so Earthrise is getting an early send off and the the new stuffs in for the xmas rush in theory.
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