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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Razorbeast88 » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:22 am

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We won't reveal the source here but we will share what we read.

...because we are too churlish to publicly admit it is a User on a different Fandom Forum, eh?


I see you're a proud owner of a large trampoline with all that jumping to conclusions :-?
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Notimus Crime » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:29 am

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Sabrblade wrote:A lot people LOVED the PS2 game and see that nigh-unstoppable juggernaut as their definitive Tidal Wave instead of the silly lamebrain version from the cartoon.

Yeah the PS2 game was my first exposure to Armada as a kid, and making it through that level only to find out the level itself was a Transformer was so awesome. It was REALLY weird to find out he was only larger than average and not colossal in the cartoon. If I were to ever want to get a tidal wave (which I'm dubious about, despite that experience I still don't care that much about the character) I would want it to be a titan for that reason. Although I'm probably not going to be getting a hypothetical Tidal Wave either way commanders and titans are outside of my transformers budget (commanders are more attainable, I got close to getting siege Jetfire but decided I wanted to use that $80 for other things).
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby TulioDude » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:35 am

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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby william-james88 » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:15 am

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We won't reveal the source here but we will share what we read.

...because we are too churlish to publicly admit it is a User on a different Fandom Forum, eh?


Nope, it's because we were once asked by users from other forums not to bring about attention to them. If whoever wrote these wants to be properly credited, they can send me a private message cofirming as such and it will be done :)
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Gearslide » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:18 am

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A big (Ha) problem with Tidal Wave's size is just the crazy variations in different depictions.

Sometimes he's as big as a Titan, like in the game or IDW or that one Pirates story deal from FunPub. Sometimes he's just a "Jetfire" sized bot, like the majority of Armada.

It also doesn't help that he starts of Enormous originally in Armada then slowly shrinks to fit the cast, then becomes huge again in Energon, but not as huge as he originally was...

Dude does turn into a fleet of Ships, and that's pretty similar to Omega Supreme's whole deal, and he's a Titan class figure...
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby aronjlove » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:20 am

Gearslide wrote:A big (Ha) problem with Tidal Wave's size is just the crazy variations in different depictions.

Sometimes he's as big as a Titan, like in the game or IDW or that one Pirates story deal from FunPub. Sometimes he's just a "Jetfire" sized bot, like the majority of Armada.

It also doesn't help that he starts of Enormous originally in Armada then slowly shrinks to fit the cast, then becomes huge again in Energon, but not as huge as he originally was...

Dude does turn into a fleet of Ships, and that's pretty similar to Omega Supreme's whole deal, and he's a Titan class figure...

Now I remember, he was the one in the IDW run that was a big whale.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Autobot N » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:20 am

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william-james88 wrote:
Switchback wrote:
We won't reveal the source here but we will share what we read.

...because we are too churlish to publicly admit it is a User on a different Fandom Forum, eh?


Nope, it's because we were once asked by users from other forums not to bring about attention to them. If whoever wrote these wants to be properly credited, they can send me a private message cofirming as such and it will be done :)
Yeah, IIRC, the guy who posted this specific thing doesn't like having his name plastered to his leaks on other websites.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby -Kanrabat- » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:31 am

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Dude does turn into a fleet of Ships, and that's pretty similar to Omega Supreme's whole deal, and he's a Titan class figure...


In all logic, Tidalwave would be somewhat in scale with Generations deluxes and voyager as a titan for his "biggest" appearances. He would still need his own mold and the Ark is the last titan for a loooooooooooog while.

Maybe a 500$ third party figure?
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Switchback » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:34 am

Razorbeast88 wrote:
Switchback wrote:
We won't reveal the source here but we will share what we read.

...because we are too churlish to publicly admit it is a User on a different Fandom Forum, eh?


I see you're a proud owner of a large trampoline with all that jumping to conclusions :-?

william-james88 wrote:
Switchback wrote:
We won't reveal the source here but we will share what we read.

...because we are too churlish to publicly admit it is a User on a different Fandom Forum, eh?


Nope, it's because we were once asked by users from other forums not to bring about attention to them. If whoever wrote these wants to be properly credited, they can send me a private message cofirming as such and it will be done :)

Fair do's. Seems it's purportedly Between-sites Leaker protection protocols but given the internet propensity for "I made this" syndrome, I think side-eyeing lack of at least user name crediting is still worth questioning.
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Re: Description of Upcoming Beast Wars Terrorsaur Toy

Postby blackeyedprime » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:38 am

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william-james88 wrote:To be honest he's not really show or toy accurate, but you can tell the team at Hasbro have done their best within the retool budget allowed.


Uh? Terrorsaurs got about 8 toys that can be done out of him so dunno why he'd be reduced to a retooling budget. Surely Airrazo has less variants possible (unless they are doing one as a robin in a batman collab).
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby o.supreme » Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:25 am

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TulioDude wrote:Armada fans rise up!


To rise up against something, would indicate you are being oppressed. Who hurt you bro?
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby ZeroWolf » Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:28 am

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o.supreme wrote:
TulioDude wrote:Armada fans rise up!


To rise up against something, would indicate you are being oppressed. Who hurt you bro?

Those who don't like Unicron Trilogy ;)

Though I will say, Rise up was Animated's thing, being the cons saying and all
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby o.supreme » Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:38 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:Those who don't like Unicron Trilogy ;)


So, anyone over the age of 28? (Just Kidding!) Seriously though...The fandom is so diverse, everyone has parts they like and don't like. Armada as a whole is not "my thing", but the toy line was pretty great, and there are a few individual characters I did enjoy. I would love to see the toyline get more of a resurgence in the near future, the 20th anniversary is next year. I also don't think we should let the Tidalwave Titan vs CC debate divide us. I would be happy for fans who wanted a Titan Tidalwave (thought I would not purchase one because it would be out of scale with my collection), but I'd definitely get a magnificent Purple & Grey CC Tidalwave, absolutely ;)^

Trying to keep this thread back on track, i am very much looking forward to all the reveals at tomorrows event via Hasbr Pulse. Mostly looking forward to Kingdom wave 3&4 toy renders that have nto yet been leaked.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby WiseMan » Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:40 am

william-james88 wrote:I can think of 10 right now

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... ime/34791/

Hadn't seen that before, and yes, some of those are real doozies. But none of them are titan class. And we all have an idea of what the Ark looks like, and it ain't that.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby ZeroWolf » Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:51 am

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william-james88 wrote:I can think of 10 right now

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... ime/34791/

Hadn't seen that before, and yes, some of those are real doozies. But none of them are titan class. And we all have an idea of what the Ark looks like, and it ain't that.

Looks like the Ark to me, and if he features in the Netflix version of Kingdom, that's what he'll look like there.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby WiseMan » Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:11 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:Looks like the Ark to me, and if he features in the Netflix version of Kingdom, that's what he'll look like there.

Except, nope.

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:WFC-Siege- ... tobots.jpg

And the Ark has been on Earthrise and Siege tons of times as a ship, and it don't look like that.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Seibertron » Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:21 pm

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o.supreme wrote:But a lot of hardcore Armada fans really want a Titan, not sure why. The only time in fiction he was ever depicted at that size was in the PS2 game, and that was more of an anomaly.
A lot people LOVED the PS2 game and see that nigh-unstoppable juggernaut as their definitive Tidal Wave instead of the silly lamebrain version from the cartoon.

o.supreme wrote:until reformatted into boat-guy (can't remember his name).
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I'd really like to see Tidal Wave get a Commander Class or Titan Class figure. I really like the concept with the Titans Return version where it was a re-used Broadside. I could really go for a large Broadside triplechanger as well, since he was depicted as larger in the cartoon series. Not sure that Titan Class is appropriate for these guys, but Commander Class for sure!
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:25 pm

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It's funny. In the 'Never Make' thread. We've discussed both Broadside and Tidal Wave. Personally I think Tidal Wave would be a suitable rival to Omega Supreme. As a Titan Class Decepticon Ship/Fleet to Supreme's Autobot Rocket Base. Regardless of the source they draw his scale from, there is a distinct lack of large, non-Gestalt Decepticons in the franchise.

Whereas Broadside, be it Commander or Titan Class. I think he just needs to be a bigger figure to make all three of his altmodes viable. In that vein, one day he might have a nice looking Flight Mode...
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Immortal Starscream » Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:32 pm

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o.supreme wrote:But a lot of hardcore Armada fans really want a Titan, not sure why. The only time in fiction he was ever depicted at that size was in the PS2 game, and that was more of an anomaly.
A lot people LOVED the PS2 game and see that nigh-unstoppable juggernaut as their definitive Tidal Wave instead of the silly lamebrain version from the cartoon.

o.supreme wrote:until reformatted into boat-guy (can't remember his name).
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I'd really like to see Tidal Wave get a Commander Class or Titan Class figure. I really like the concept with the Titans Return version where it was a re-used Broadside. I could really go for a large Broadside triplechanger as well, since he was depicted as larger in the cartoon series. Not sure that Titan Class is appropriate for these guys, but Commander Class for sure!


While I really didn't like Armada's cartoon, or pretty much all of the Autobot's toys, there is no denying that Armada re-vitalized the franchise and brought in a whole new generation of fans. It really needs some love imho, and Hasbro HAS to know it has a dedicated fan base, just like Beast Wars does. That being said, I absolutely LOVED Tidal Wave and Megatron, with their goofy sideways bending knees. (hay, at least they had some articulation) and would totally toss my money at a new Commander or Titan class Tidal wave too. :x
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby william-james88 » Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:49 pm

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william-james88 wrote:I can think of 10 right now

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... ime/34791/

Hadn't seen that before, and yes, some of those are real doozies. But none of them are titan class. And we all have an idea of what the Ark looks like, and it ain't that.


If it's not the ark, then what is it?
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby YRQRM0 » Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:17 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:A lot people LOVED the PS2 game


Oh wow...that is news to me. I bought it brand new. Still have it to this day, but never really liked it. I didn't have kids of my own when it came out, but I let several of my friends' kids play it who would have been the right demographic, and none of them really liked it, said it was "too hard". I seem to recall getting some cheat codes to finish the game, and never playing it again. Also, I'm not saying this is a better game, but I paid quite a bit to import the Japanese PS2 game. I know in terms of function it is not nearly as smooth, (and got terrible reviews) but I found it way more enjoyable, and finished it 4 times through on my own (2x as Autobots, and 2x as Decepticons) to unlock all the characters.

That is definitely a head-scratcher that something that many people today don't even know exists, could be the definitive version of a character. But then again, I like a lot of obscure things as well.


There's actually a whole discord for speedrunning it now. There are some pretty impressive glitch finds and times! I think it just depended on how the tone and difficulty suited people. I always loved challenging games as a kid, and I personally loved the music and "realism" of the game compared to the campy anime-ish feel of the show (which I also loved). I also had the strategy guide, which probably made the difficulty just right.

All I want is a new faithful Tidal Wave with some small decepticlones from the game. I honestly would just be thrilled with an upscale of the original with knees and head articulation tbh
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:27 pm

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I loved the PS2 game. At times more so than the WFC series. It was also a very pretty game, I recall. The only part I always felt a little cheated by was the final boss: Unicron. It was supposed to be a two part fight. But due to graphical limitations, he never transformed out of Planet Mode. Such a shame.

Ironically, I think if there were G1 Skins available. It would likely have gained a bit more popularity among the wider fandom.

Tidal Wave based on the game would be the ideal. I think the models of every featured Armada character was better realised in the game than the show anyway.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Spider5800 » Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:41 pm

Still disappointed to hear Terrorsaur is going to be a retooled deluxe. Should be voyager, he was pretty tall compared to the other season 1 characters.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Razorbeast88 » Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:44 pm

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