Evil_the_Nub wrote:Toruk Makto wrote:I have to say I disagree with most critics on ROTF.
However, I take back what I said about Roger Ebert after all he's been through, fighting cancer, losing jaws. The poor guy can't even speak! That being said, I liked the movie, however, there were parts in it that simply were not appropriate for this genre. Doggy love. Devy balls (This hopefully will become a joke among the fandom). Fart jokes. Dickbot. DID. NOT. WORK. Like I said, I think that Ebert had a difficult time finding a plot. I think this is because of flailing robot pieces, explosions (100+) and the profanity and sexuality. Ebert is used to old movies. I disagree, but that's okay. To every man his own.
He's entitled to his opinion same as everyone else. But he crossed the line when he said anyone who like it was unevolved. Which is an attitude I see a lot of people have.
Except that when you have quotes like this:
Liftgate wrote:I'm not going to go into this nonsense too much, but if you're a person who thinks this movie is the worst thing you've ever seen, then apparently you HAVN'T SEEN VERY MANY MOVIES.
Then it does give that argument some merit, especially when you have some people who liked it trying to defend it as either being anything other than mindless and culturally worthless entertainment or by claiming it was the best it could be.
If people love it, fine, but treating it as anything more than what it is, is like claiming that The Jerry Springer show is the height of deep and profound intellectual discourse.
Windsweeper wrote:Then, I read IDW's Defiance and Alliance and really enjoyed them, especially Defiance (loved Prowl). I started remembering the good parts of ROTF - Prime, Soundwave, Megatron, Arcee, Sideswipe, the various battle scenes. Then an old friend who I'd not seen in a couple years arranged to meet me. We said we'd go to the cinema and when I asked what she wanted to see, she said ROTF. I was sceptical but could not refuse her (believe me!). In we went and I was surprised to find I actually enjoyed it second time around because my expectations were lowered.(my emphasis)
2 things here- you're talking about IDW here and not Michael Bay. The work they did with the Dead-Furmanverse IMHO was what should have been the movie-verse plot or something incredibly similar. What IDW have done with their movie-verse books is essentially taken a crap sandwich and made it fairly tasty, but that doesn't change the fact that the movies epically fail.
Plus you said it yourself, to enjoy the movie, you had to
lower your expectations. That says it all, and it's something that everyone keeps saying when trying to sway the haters- essentially "just go watch it- it's total crap, but you just have to subject yourself to watching total crap, even though you might have standards with what you watch".
Now if people want to watch Jerry Springer, then fine, some people like mindless and trashy entertainment (and with the toilet humour for the sake of toilet humour at the expense of characterisation, ROTF does fall into that category). Did it make alot of money sure, but Jerry Springer and Big Brother had long runs too- in the case of Jerry Springer, it's still going when it has no redeeming features. But at the same time, people need to stop pretend it's something it's not- namely a quality and critically acclaimed film, or this film is anything remotely close to the pinnacle of what the most critically acclaimed Transformers film possible would view like.
