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[Counterpunch]

Soon I will have an Idol of the greatest poster in Siebertron history. It shall have a position of prominence on my mantle of honor.

My ego just leveled up AND gained a Prestige Class.

[RodimusConvoy13]

I just joined the club before the deadline, and I only needed 1 Dion. But if the pre-orders sell out, and I don't preorder cyclonus and P/CP, does that mean that's it? Or will they produce a few afterwards? Cause I don't know if a "pre-order" means a figure or if it just will give you the first ones. And if 20% allready sold out......

I would second this question, considering that they never ran out of Airazor or Astrotrain.
Also. Doesn't it seem fishy that they set up a pre-order for a toy you haven't even seen yet? AND you have to pay for it now rather than later... Also, these guys F-A-I-L at head designs which is the main feature of said toy.

My conclusion:
It's a SCAM!!!
Chances are that the head is either junk or non existent. And the "50% sold out" is probably bull**** just to get people to buy the darn thing!

And, for those of you whom think I don't have a right to an opinion. I am a member and I have bought Airazor and Astrotrain and am enjoying at least one of them. I've bought Fan Toys, I pre-ordered Ultra Magnus, Defender and the Crossfire sets! I buy overpriced Japanese Armored Core and Gundam figures for God's sake!

But one thing I've never done is buy anything I havent seen before I paid for it. It isn't just about the money.

No see head, no buy toy. Simple as that.

Air Razor and Astrotrain were the first club exclusives they did. Obviously they overestimated how many people would buy these figures. Try getting either of the second round of exclusives. Nightbeat and the Seacons are totally sold out.

As for paying for a preorder up front, doesn't TFSource do that? If they don't now they at least used to. I've never felt shafted by the club at all. They put out quality figures and I've never been disappointed in any of the Botcons I've gone to. These preorders are not a scam.

Oh, and you totally have a right to an opinion.. I just don't agree with your opinion.

[Seibertron]

The only Club exclusive figure I was bummed with was Astrotrain ... and that's because it had a crappy head. It was also the only one that had a crappy head though one could argue that Nightbeat's head was a bit of a disappointment due to the lack of antennae, but it wasn't a deal breaker for sure. All of the convention exclusives have looked great as well. We've also seen the design for the head so assuming they get the sculpt right from the design, we should be golden.

[Geekee1]

I actually really like that Astrotrain.

[Seibertron]

I actually really like that Astrotrain.

Really? His eyes are so f'ed up though!

[Jenus]

I'm really happy I was able to order two Punch/Counterpunch's this morning so I can display one in both factions.

Also, I was wonder how many are they actually making?

[Geekee1]

I actually really like that Astrotrain.

Really? His eyes are so f'ed up though!

I don't know man, it works for me though. I think it's more that I like the overall figure and not just the headsculpt. I can see where you're coming from.

And it looks like P/CP is somewhere around 1600 figures, going from various posts.

[Seibertron]

I actually really like that Astrotrain.

Really? His eyes are so f'ed up though!

I don't know man, it works for me though. I think it's more that I like the overall figure and not just the headsculpt. I can see where you're coming from.

And it looks like P/CP is somewhere around 1600 figures, going from various posts.

Astrotrain's definitely not the worst. I was just bummed how the actual sculpt came out. If you look at the original design of his head, it looks much, much better.

[Seibertron]

Does anyone have a scan of what Astrotrain's head was supposed to look like from the Club comic? I can't find an image of it on Google images. Perhaps one of you have the image?

[Counterpunch]

Does anyone have a scan of what Astrotrain's head was supposed to look like from the Club comic? I can't find an image of it on Google images. Perhaps one of you have the image?

I'm not sure there was something like that. Originally, Space Warp (the unproduced Armada toy that Astrotrain was made off of) had Jetfire's head.


and...I went ahead and ordered a 3rd. It had to be done.

[Seibertron]

Does anyone have a scan of what Astrotrain's head was supposed to look like from the Club comic? I can't find an image of it on Google images. Perhaps one of you have the image?

I'm not sure there was something like that. Originally, Space Warp (the unproduced Armada toy that Astrotrain was made off of) had Jetfire's head.


and...I went ahead and ordered a 3rd. It had to be done.

It's a design drawing, similar to the one for Punch / Counterpunch. I've got 2 ordered ... I was tempted for 3, but couldn't do it. I may sell one but I had to have two for the gallery.

[Flux Convoy]

these guys F-A-I-L at head designs which is the main feature of said toy.

Really? So you're saying:
Airazor
Alpha Trion
Astrotrain (don't own)
SG Blurr
Cheetor
Chromia (don't own)
Deszaras (don't own)
Dreadwind
Flak
Flareup (don't own)
Goldbug
Heatwave
Ironhide (don't own)
SG Jazz
Kup
Megatron Pre BW
SG Megatron
Nightbeat (don't own)
Optimus Primal
Razorclaw
Ratchet (don't own)
Ricochet
Scourge
Sweeps
and Tigatron are all failures?
There's no pleasing some folks I guess. I own nearly all of these and have no real issues with any of them. I think they're actually quite good.

[videriant]

I was just flexing my sense of humor. Honestly, Ive never done a repaint in my life. I saw a Wheeljack custom on here before. Nice work if it was yours. I just feel if for once collectors chose to let these figures purposely bomb in sales, even the smaller companies would drop the prices a bit. The fans have the power...but not the will power unfortunatley...

Actually, I believe that Hasbro has already proved you wrong. Hasbro has stated time and time again that fans make up a small portion of their revenues but people still don't believe. They attempted to work directly with the fans when they produced Special Edition Dragstrip, Overkill, Megatron. They produced them at a smaller run (my guess is 4000-5000) but with nice packaging and they were charging $16. The 1st 1000 sold out in a fair amount of time but once fans realized Hasbro had made more then that they waited for it to go on clearance. A year later, when the entire batch disappeared from HTS instead of clearancing people started panicking and buying it from scalpers at $24-$40 before realizing that HTS just sent it's extras to Marshalls.

So. . .because of the bombs in sales, we're not getting a Special Edition red mirage or updated cliffjumper for $16.

[Shadowstream]

No see head, no buy toy. Simple as that.

Seriously??? I don't think I've ever NOT bought a toy just because of the head sculpt. I mean, really--how badly could they have farkled this thing up to make it not worth the pre-order?!?!? This is a sweet exclusive! Besides, we already know the mold itself is solid.

Pre-order! No like head, display in alt mode!!

The head is the central attraction to this item! Sorry but I agree with Vicalliose on this one, If there is no clear view of the head sculpt that specificly makes this exclusive what it is then I'm not making that investment.

And no, this mold is not as solid as when it started. My Sideswipe is very finicky compared to Sunsteaker and lord only knows what terror Red Alert is.

I say let's see the head sample first, then I'll cast my vote. If it pre-orders out of stock before then, so be it.

[Dead Metal]

these guys F-A-I-L at head designs which is the main feature of said toy.

Really? So you're saying:
Airazor
Alpha Trion
Astrotrain (don't own)
SG Blurr
Cheetor
Chromia (don't own)
Deszaras (don't own)
Dreadwind
Flak
Flareup (don't own)
Goldbug
Heatwave
Ironhide (don't own)
SG Jazz
Kup
Megatron Pre BW
SG Megatron
Nightbeat (don't own)
Optimus Primal
Razorclaw
Ratchet (don't own)
Ricochet
Scourge
Sweeps
and Tigatron are all failures?
There's no pleasing some folks I guess. I own nearly all of these and have no real issues with any of them. I think they're actually quite good.

The Ironhide/Ratched head is horrible and my least favourite aspect of the whole figure. But the rest you listed apart from Nightbeat look really nice.

[Vicalliose]

Seriously??? I don't think I've ever NOT bought a toy just because of the head sculpt. I mean, really--how badly could they have farkled this thing up to make it not worth the pre-order?!?!? This is a sweet exclusive! Besides, we already know the mold itself is solid.

Pre-order! No like head, display in alt mode!!

Are you crazy, or are you just messing with me? 'Display the toy that I bought specifically for the new gimmick head in it's alt mode...' wtf.

Air Razor and Astrotrain were the first club exclusives they did. Obviously they overestimated how many people would buy these figures. Try getting either of the second round of exclusives. Nightbeat and the Seacons are totally sold out.

As for paying for a preorder up front, doesn't TFSource do that? If they don't now they at least used to. I've never felt shafted by the club at all. They put out quality figures and I've never been disappointed in any of the Botcons I've gone to. These preorders are not a scam.

Oh, and you totally have a right to an opinion.. I just don't agree with your opinion.

With what you said in mind, I went ahead and checked every single head sculpt manufactured by Fun Publications. To be honest, I'm not that impressed. Especially with the Kup they did last year. Yes I do still like Airazor and many of the other Fun pubs releases look quite good. But that's not the whole point.

What is more important is that the entire reason for buying this toy is the head sculpt. Whether fun pubs can do good work or not doesn't change the fact that all I've seen of this toy is what appears to be nothing more than a photoshopped picture! You always get to see the Botcon Exclusives before you buy them don't you?

[RodimusConvoy13]

Seriously??? I don't think I've ever NOT bought a toy just because of the head sculpt. I mean, really--how badly could they have farkled this thing up to make it not worth the pre-order?!?!? This is a sweet exclusive! Besides, we already know the mold itself is solid.

Pre-order! No like head, display in alt mode!!

Are you crazy, or are you just messing with me? 'Display the toy that I bought specifically for the new gimmick head in it's alt mode...' wtf.

Air Razor and Astrotrain were the first club exclusives they did. Obviously they overestimated how many people would buy these figures. Try getting either of the second round of exclusives. Nightbeat and the Seacons are totally sold out.

As for paying for a preorder up front, doesn't TFSource do that? If they don't now they at least used to. I've never felt shafted by the club at all. They put out quality figures and I've never been disappointed in any of the Botcons I've gone to. These preorders are not a scam.

Oh, and you totally have a right to an opinion.. I just don't agree with your opinion.

With what you said in mind, I went ahead and checked every single head sculpt manufactured by Fun Publications. To be honest, I'm not that impressed. Especially with the Kup they did last year. Yes I do still like Airazor and many of the other Fun pubs releases look quite good. But that's not the whole point.

What is more important is that the entire reason for buying this toy is the head sculpt. Whether fun pubs can do good work or not doesn't change the fact that all I've seen of this toy is what appears to be nothing more than a photoshopped picture! You always get to see the Botcon Exclusives before you buy them don't you?

You may not like the headsculpts and you may not want to buy P/CP before you see the head. My real point is this is not a scam.

I have 2 sideswipes and 2 sunstreakers. All of them were fine figures.. No issues with "mold degradation." I also got Henkei Red Alert. That figure is great! I don't think anyone needs to worry about the mold being bad.

[Counterpunch]

But one thing I've never done is buy anything I havent seen before I paid for it. It isn't just about the money.

No see head, no buy toy. Simple as that.

On principal, I agree with what you're getting at.

In execution, you're being heavy handed and possibly short-sighted.

The toy will, with little doubt be quite good. The head should be similar if not exact to the promotion art. This toy will be very expensive on the secondary market once it sells out.

The Club does a lot of stuff wrong/annoying from a business stand point. Their most loyal members/supporters are always begging for table scraps of information rather than having it served up with ease for their consumption. So, in regards to your principal stance of "They should not be rewarded for this behavior." I 100% agree.

However, considering the inevitable price the Punch figure will command, not getting one now will equate to cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[JRFitzpatrick7]

Does anyone have a scan of what Astrotrain's head was supposed to look like from the Club comic? I can't find an image of it on Google images. Perhaps one of you have the image?

I'm not sure there was something like that. Originally, Space Warp (the unproduced Armada toy that Astrotrain was made off of) had Jetfire's head.


and...I went ahead and ordered a 3rd. It had to be done.

It's a design drawing, similar to the one for Punch / Counterpunch. I've got 2 ordered ... I was tempted for 3, but couldn't do it. I may sell one but I had to have two for the gallery.

I'm up to 5 myself, can't seem to stop preorderig them, looking forward to havig 2 on display, possibly making sweet, sweet love. I'll stop at 7. Might have Punch getting his chasis kicked by Counterpunch.

[zodconvoy]

Preordered. I have yet to be burned by the Club. Only getting one though so I can randomly change which shelf it's on and see if anyone else notices. Probably not but still.

[JRFitzpatrick7]

Alright, 1 Punch and 6 Counterpunches is my limit! How many of these were made?

[--B--]

I went ahead and pre-ordered it, I was going to buy it anyway, since it doesn't cost extra to pre-order, why not?

And if I don't like the head molds, I will sell it to someone who does.

Yes it's a $70 gamble, but why not?!

[ang3l3s]

How limited is the run and is there any pics on the packaging for p/cp???

[Vicalliose]

But one thing I've never done is buy anything I havent seen before I paid for it. It isn't just about the money.

No see head, no buy toy. Simple as that.

On principal, I agree with what you're getting at.

In execution, you're being heavy handed and possibly short-sighted.

The toy will, with little doubt be quite good. The head should be similar if not exact to the promotion art. This toy will be very expensive on the secondary market once it sells out.

The Club does a lot of stuff wrong/annoying from a business stand point. Their most loyal members/supporters are always begging for table scraps of information rather than having it served up with ease for their consumption. So, in regards to your principal stance of "They should not be rewarded for this behavior." I 100% agree.

However, considering the inevitable price the Punch figure will command, not getting one now will equate to cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Your the huge P/PC fan, and you of all people can see where I'm coming from!?
I must say I'm... surprised.

You are right though, the proper words would not be "It's a SCAM!!!" as I said before, but that it 'looks like a scam.' in a sense that I do not feel comfortable with Fun Pubs, or any other business operating in such an odd manner.

I just know I'll be banging myself on the head later if I don't order it though.
After all, it is the whole reason I joined...

But not until July? Why would I want to make a payment on something that far away?! It's ridiculous that they even have the pre-orders up! I was gonna buy Drift, Seaspray, Thrust, and perhaps even some of the Powered Cores! I already ordered the crossfire sets!

Now I've got to start crunching numbers on what's more important.

BTW it wasn't very clear when I checked their site, so would it cost me a percentage to cancel one of the pre-orders?

[TFBuyer]

Seriously??? I don't think I've ever NOT bought a toy just because of the head sculpt. I mean, really--how badly could they have farkled this thing up to make it not worth the pre-order?!?!? This is a sweet exclusive! Besides, we already know the mold itself is solid.

Pre-order! No like head, display in alt mode!!

Are you crazy, or are you just messing with me? 'Display the toy that I bought specifically for the new gimmick head in it's alt mode...' wtf.

Air Razor and Astrotrain were the first club exclusives they did. Obviously they overestimated how many people would buy these figures. Try getting either of the second round of exclusives. Nightbeat and the Seacons are totally sold out.

As for paying for a preorder up front, doesn't TFSource do that? If they don't now they at least used to. I've never felt shafted by the club at all. They put out quality figures and I've never been disappointed in any of the Botcons I've gone to. These preorders are not a scam.

Oh, and you totally have a right to an opinion.. I just don't agree with your opinion.

With what you said in mind, I went ahead and checked every single head sculpt manufactured by Fun Publications. To be honest, I'm not that impressed. Especially with the Kup they did last year. Yes I do still like Airazor and many of the other Fun pubs releases look quite good. But that's not the whole point.

What is more important is that the entire reason for buying this toy is the head sculpt. Whether fun pubs can do good work or not doesn't change the fact that all I've seen of this toy is what appears to be nothing more than a photoshopped picture! You always get to see the Botcon Exclusives before you buy them don't you?

Look, dude, I'm neither crazy nor messing with you. (Ok, maybe the "display in alt mode" was a bit of a joke...) You get all warm and fuzzy over the head sculpts?? FINE. Don't order it, but then good luck on e-bay when they're gone and it ends up looking good. Criminy, for as much as you're "not that impressed" by basically any head sculpt FunPub has ever done, why not go into the head-sculpting business so you can finally be happy? Life is too short!

Look, I'm really just trying to say that I think you safely have enough to go on this time that if you really want the figure you should go ahead and pre-order it. By and large, the mold is good. The head sculpt sketches look solid. Will I be disappointed if I get my figure and they stuck a frickin' Lego head on top with a face on either side? YES! But I don't want to be left out on this one, not with this figure. If the figure itself isn't that big of a deal to you, I see where you'd want to wait it out. I did the same with the exclusive Nightbeat, and I'm really not that disappointed that I don't have it. If all else fails, throw it on e-bay if you're not happy and someone will pay top dollar for it.

Honestly, what you want to do is what you want to do--I can't really understand why either of us is getting so worked up over this...