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Re: BotCon 2014 (Pasadena, CA) Discussion: Toys and Events

Postby Rated X » Thu May 01, 2014 7:06 pm

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Sails on a spaceship is stuipd. I mean REALLY stupid. There is no wind in space. Not to mention it has rocket boosters.
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Re: BotCon 2014 (Pasadena, CA) Discussion: Toys and Events

Postby Sabrblade » Thu May 01, 2014 7:30 pm

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Rated X wrote:Sails on a spaceship is stuipd. I mean REALLY stupid. There is no wind in space. Not to mention it has rocket boosters.
Two words: Solar Sails.

Lots of science fiction stories use them. They usually serve the function of an additional power source that absorbs solar radiation from stars, and aesthetically resemble sails for multiple reasons depending on the author(s).
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Re: BotCon 2014 (Pasadena, CA) Discussion: Toys and Events

Postby shajaki » Thu May 01, 2014 8:27 pm

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tidal wave (as an attendee exclusive obviously) would be the icing on this delicious cake.
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Re: BotCon 2014 (Pasadena, CA) Discussion: Toys and Events

Postby Rated X » Thu May 01, 2014 9:23 pm

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Rated X wrote:Sails on a spaceship is stuipd. I mean REALLY stupid. There is no wind in space. Not to mention it has rocket boosters.
Two words: Solar Sails.

Lots of science fiction stories use them. They usually serve the function of an additional power source that absorbs solar radiation from stars, and aesthetically resemble sails for multiple reasons depending on the author(s).

While I see the logic you speak of, the fact that its only being done because they are pirates makes it too much. Just because they are space pirates doesnt mean they have to do everything human pirates do. Years of people begging for a broadside repaint of the tidalwave mold, and this is how funpub decides to use the mold ? I pray they dont do it...
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Re: BotCon 2014 (Pasadena, CA) Discussion: Toys and Events

Postby Sabrblade » Thu May 01, 2014 9:39 pm

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Rated X wrote:Years of people begging for a broadside repaint of the tidalwave mold, and this is how funpub decides to use the mold ? I pray they dont do it...
Well, it is still up in the air as to whether or not they will actually use that mold. Much less remold it to have sails since the Club admitted on their Twitter that, after Cannonball and Devcon, their remold budget was all used up by Scorponok's new tooling.

There's also the possibility of this mold being so old that it might not be available for them to use.

And those colors it has in that page (or what little of them that we can see since most of the ship is cast in shadow) don't look too different from the toy's original Armada colors, so it's possible that it isn't a redeco and just a repurposing of the original toy as it is (for those who already own it). Which would sensible thing to do as it would let people use that mold with the BotCon toys without the Club having to spend more money on an 11-year-old mold of that large size.

Personally, I'm still a bit skeptical about them actually using the Tidal Wave mold and am not expecting them to (and certainly not expecting it to have newly molded sails), but I wouldn't mind them using it as it would be a pleasant surprise.
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Re: BotCon 2014 (Pasadena, CA) Discussion: Toys and Events

Postby Rated X » Thu May 01, 2014 9:56 pm

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Rated X wrote:Years of people begging for a broadside repaint of the tidalwave mold, and this is how funpub decides to use the mold ? I pray they dont do it...
Well, it is still up in the air as to whether or not they will actually use that mold. Much less remold it to have sails since the Club admitted on their Twitter that, after Cannonball and Devcon, their remold budget was all used up by Scorponok's new tooling.

There's also the possibility of this mold being so old that it might not be available for them to use.

And those colors it has in that page (or what little of them that we can see since most of the ship is cast in shadow) don't look too different from the toy's original Armada colors, so it's possible that it isn't a redeco and just a repurposing of the original toy as it is (for those who already own it). Which would sensible thing to do as it would let people use that mold with the BotCon toys without the Club having to spend more money on an 11-year-old mold of that large size.

Personally, I'm still a bit skeptical about them actually using the Tidal Wave mold and am not expecting them to (and certainly not expecting it to have newly molded sails), but I wouldn't mind them using it as it would be a pleasant surprise.

I have the crazy white and translucent green tidalwave. Isnt that the energon version ? I thought the armada version was black and purple ? The black in the comic drawing appears to be a shadow to me and the top is painted white. Also im so sick of hearing about funpubs retool budget. Why cant they just spend more and get more ? Or why not have someone do resin heads like they did with the custom class longarm ? Every botcon figure should have a new head. Did they not learn from megaplex ? Did they pretend those renderform megaplex heads didnt exist ?
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Re: BotCon 2014 (Pasadena, CA) Discussion: Toys and Events

Postby Sabrblade » Thu May 01, 2014 10:15 pm

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I can't speak for the Club about their budget since I lack the proper info regarding it, so I'll just address what I can:

Rated X wrote:I have the crazy white and translucent green tidalwave. Isnt that the energon version ? I thought the armada version was black and purple ? The black in the comic drawing appears to be a shadow to me and the top is painted white.
Yours does sound like the Energon one, yes.

And, like I said, it is difficult to tell what the ship's full colors look like, what with all that shadow we see. But what we can see are some green in the placements where green is found on both the Armada and Energon versions (green hands and green side bows), and what looks like some light gray on the ship's front (the aircraft carrier part).

Now, looking at the latter on both the Armada and Energon versions, the Armada one has a light gray aircraft carrier part, while the Energon one has a dark gray aircraft carrier part (really do wish there was a simpler term for this part, lol). Since this part is lighter on both the Armada version and the ship in this comic, that's a point in favor of the Armada deco.

Then again, pretty much everything in these images look washed out and faded, anyway. ^_^'

but, as we said, it is too tough for us to tell for sure at this point based on this single shadowed picture. Guess we'll just have to wait and see what's what.


For reference, here are the two versions of Tidal Wave we mentioned (Armada on top, Energon under it), along with the comic page. :)

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Re: BotCon 2014 (Pasadena, CA) Discussion: Toys and Events

Postby Henry921 » Fri May 02, 2014 12:26 am

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You know... assuming the mold was available for use...

Troop builder 3 pack?
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Re: BotCon 2014 (Pasadena, CA) Discussion: Toys and Events

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri May 02, 2014 6:24 am

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Yeah, I believe it would be a troop-builder 3-pack, with the 3 components in separate baggies.

Also, a remolding isn't really necessary for the figure, just a repainting. They can produce the mast-and-sail set and just find a good place to attach on/stick on the existing mold of Tidal Wave. From the positioning of the mast in the comic, it looks like it's stuck on the Mini-Con peg on his chest. So all it really needs is a hollow mast section.
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Re: BotCon 2014 (Pasadena, CA) Discussion: Toys and Events

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Fri May 02, 2014 6:56 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah, I believe it would be a troop-builder 3-pack, with the 3 components in separate baggies.

Also, a remolding isn't really necessary for the figure, just a repainting. They can produce the mast-and-sail set and just find a good place to attach on/stick on the existing mold of Tidal Wave. From the positioning of the mast in the comic, it looks like it's stuck on the Mini-Con peg on his chest. So all it really needs is a hollow mast section.


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Re: BotCon 2014 (Pasadena, CA) Discussion: Toys and Events

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri May 02, 2014 7:00 am

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah, I believe it would be a troop-builder 3-pack, with the 3 components in separate baggies.

Also, a remolding isn't really necessary for the figure, just a repainting. They can produce the mast-and-sail set and just find a good place to attach on/stick on the existing mold of Tidal Wave. From the positioning of the mast in the comic, it looks like it's stuck on the Mini-Con peg on his chest. So all it really needs is a hollow mast section.


And a new identity for Ramjet. ;)



Pfft, if that is what would hold up the "remolding" then FunPub has lost whatever little touch they did have...
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Re: BotCon 2014 (Pasadena, CA) Discussion: Toys and Events

Postby shajaki » Fri May 02, 2014 7:52 am

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Sabrblade wrote:For reference, here are the two versions of Tidal Wave we mentioned (Armada on top, Energon under it)
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Re: BotCon 2014 (Pasadena, CA) Discussion: Toys and Events

Postby Sabrblade » Fri May 02, 2014 9:20 am

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shajaki wrote:dont forget micron legend shockwave!

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I didn't forget him. I didn't post him because he's irrelevent because he has no green. >:oP
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Re: BotCon 2014 (Pasadena, CA) Discussion: Toys and Events

Postby shajaki » Fri May 02, 2014 10:12 am

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shajaki wrote:dont forget micron legend shockwave!

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I didn't forget him. I didn't post him because he's irrelevent because he has no green. >:oP
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Re: BotCon 2014 (Pasadena, CA) Discussion: Toys and Events

Postby Sabrblade » Fri May 02, 2014 10:18 am

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shajaki wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
shajaki wrote:dont forget micron legend shockwave!

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I didn't forget him. I didn't post him because he's irrelevent because he has no green. >:oP
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Did you even read the conversation X and I were having? We were discussing the green that Cannonball's ship had.

Besides, as you said, that Micron Densetsu toy is Shockwave, not Tidal Wave. :P
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Re: BotCon 2014 (Pasadena, CA) Discussion: Toys and Events

Postby It Is Him » Fri May 02, 2014 11:09 am

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Rated X wrote:Sails on a spaceship is stuipd. I mean REALLY stupid. There is no wind in space. Not to mention it has rocket boosters.
Two words: Solar Sails.

Lots of science fiction stories use them. They usually serve the function of an additional power source that absorbs solar radiation from stars, and aesthetically resemble sails for multiple reasons depending on the author(s).


Actually, I vaguely recall something about this from my rocket science class in college (no joke, I couldn't drop it either!). The idea was that sails would make sense in space since radiation particles would hit the sail, slowly bringing the ship to a high rate of speed, which then wouldn't slow down because there's no resistance in space.

I also have no idea what I'm talking about, and could be completely wrong. :HEADHURTS:
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Re: BotCon 2014 (Pasadena, CA) Discussion: Toys and Events

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Fri May 02, 2014 11:20 am

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Rated X wrote:Sails on a spaceship is stuipd. I mean REALLY stupid. There is no wind in space. Not to mention it has rocket boosters.
Two words: Solar Sails.

Lots of science fiction stories use them. They usually serve the function of an additional power source that absorbs solar radiation from stars, and aesthetically resemble sails for multiple reasons depending on the author(s).


Actually, I vaguely recall something about this from my rocket science class in college (no joke, I couldn't drop it either!). The idea was that sails would make sense in space since radiation particles would hit the sail, slowly bringing the ship to a high rate of speed, which then wouldn't slow down because there's no resistance in space.

I also have no idea what I'm talking about, and could be completely wrong. :HEADHURTS:


You're completely right actually. Those sails make use of the so-called Solar Wind, or the constant stream of particles that the Sun, or any star really, emits. Kinda like the wind on earth, only a lot more deadly were it not for Earth's magnetic field. :-B
Given the design of the sails on the Tidal Wave here, it's obvious they're merely cosmetic, not to mention the flag, rigging and the crow's nest are a bit... useless here. For all we know it's a hologram :)
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Re: BotCon 2014 (Pasadena, CA) Discussion: Toys and Events

Postby Sabrblade » Fri May 02, 2014 11:25 am

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:For all we know it's a hologram :)
A hologram would make sense if they wanted to use the mold without retooling it.

If they even plan to use it, that is.

Unless, as I said, they use an existing deco for a repurposing.
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Re: BotCon 2014 (Pasadena, CA) Discussion: Toys and Events

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Fri May 02, 2014 11:33 am

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:For all we know it's a hologram :)
A hologram would make sense if they wanted to use the mold without retooling it.

If they even plan to use it, that is.

Unless, as I said, they use an existing deco for a repurposing.


If they were to repurpose Armada's colors... I may have to look for Micron Shockwave.
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Re: BotCon 2014 (Pasadena, CA) Discussion: Toys and Events

Postby shajaki » Fri May 02, 2014 4:38 pm

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shajaki wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
shajaki wrote:dont forget micron legend shockwave!

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I didn't forget him. I didn't post him because he's irrelevent because he has no green. >:oP
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Did you even read the conversation X and I were having? We were discussing the green that Cannonball's ship had.

Besides, as you said, that Micron Densetsu toy is Shockwave, not Tidal Wave. :P
i was trying to sidestep my foolishness. i read the posts about tidalwave (not closely as it would seem) and was all "oooohhh pretty pictures" like dangling keys to an infant.
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Re: BotCon 2014 (Pasadena, CA) Discussion: Toys and Events

Postby Thalack » Fri May 02, 2014 7:02 pm

shajaki wrote:
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shajaki wrote:
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shajaki wrote:dont forget micron legend shockwave!

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I didn't forget him. I didn't post him because he's irrelevent because he has no green. >:oP
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Did you even read the conversation X and I were having? We were discussing the green that Cannonball's ship had.

Besides, as you said, that Micron Densetsu toy is Shockwave, not Tidal Wave. :P
i was trying to sidestep my foolishness. i read the posts about tidalwave (not closely as it would seem) and was all "oooohhh pretty pictures" like dangling keys to an infant.


Don't feel bad, I did the same thing. I, like you, was also an infant looking at car keys when it came to those pics. LOL
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Re: BotCon 2014 (Pasadena, CA) Discussion: Toys and Events

Postby El Duque » Mon May 05, 2014 1:22 pm

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The Official Transformers Collectors' Club just sent out an update on BotCon 2014 registration. They still hope to go live this week, however it will probably be sometime after Tuesday. Stay tuned.

Hello Everyone!

We are still shooting for registration to go live this week. It won't be today or Tuesday, so rest those refresh keys!

We have loaded on the Information page a Package Matrix to help everyone make sure they are ordering the correct package. Check it out.

In the meantime, to make sure you have not forgotten your log in or password, please go to TransformersClub.com/shop and log in. If it works there, it will work with the registration system. You can also retrieve your password at the store site.

Also please use the email link at BotCon.com if you have any questions, and make sure you read the FAQs before we start registration!

See you in Pasadena!

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Re: BotCon 2014 (Pasadena, CA) Discussion: Toys and Events

Postby Mindmaster » Mon May 05, 2014 1:25 pm

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Re: BotCon 2014 (Pasadena, CA) Discussion: Toys and Events

Postby Midnight_Fox » Mon May 05, 2014 2:04 pm

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Mindmaster wrote:Still think that $395 for the non-attendee package is absurd. >:oP


Gonna be more next year. It's been going up every year.
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Re: BotCon 2014 (Pasadena, CA) Discussion: Toys and Events

Postby mooncake623 » Mon May 05, 2014 2:37 pm

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Mindmaster wrote:Still think that $395 for the non-attendee package is absurd. >:oP


Gonna be more next year. It's been going up every year.


How much was it last year? I remember 2012 I believe it was $325 for non-attendee? Correct me if I'm wrong.
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