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aronjlove wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:

aronjlove wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:It's not a fan theory. Hasbro has told us this is the case, period. There were not enough slots in Kingdom for all of the 1986 movie characters AND the Beast Wars characters.

Which makes me wonder all the more why the even added BW to the WfC trilogy. They could easily have made a separate line for BW figures and then left SS to what it originally was, the live-action movies, and finished the G1-esque WfC with the '86 animated movie figures all in one line. I really feel like this third season/chapter whatever of WfC was sorta rushed and not thought out from a marketing standpoint.

I can see where you're coming from on that one, but idk im a big fan of combining G1 with BW. I like the idea of optimus prime and optimus primal fighting side by side against the megatrons, and all the other potential team-ups and battles between characters. It does seem to be rushed though

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong because I think this is pretty cool and I definitely love me some new Beast Wars figures. Just seems really weird from a Marketing standpoint and many products live and die by their Marketing. Transformers just has such a massive fan base it almost doesn't matter, at least for those that frequent sites like this. But I have to wonder how many purchases are by fans, scalpers, and then parents buying for their kids. That breakdown would tell a lot but I have no idea if even Hasbro has that info.

Any excuse for new Optimus Primal and BW Megatron is fine by me

Im also very curious about the breakdown of purchases, I think that would clear things up a lot. Because I see a lot of complaints about figures and knowing whether or not majority of purchases come from fans or people buying for kids would clear up whether or not fans are justified in expecting more or kids are the priority haha. I'm happy with where things are headed and the improvements with figures now compared to cw/tr/potp trilogy. Definitely more room for improvement but I love the progress. But the marketing is definitely confusing, there's no denying that haha

o.supreme wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:Could we maybe not debate WfC vs. SS-86 again, it wasn't any more interesting in the SS and ER threads when we talked it to death weeks ago.

Lines are marketing constructs, who cares

I care. By that logic, they might as well put original Series Glavatron in Botbots, because , ya know, that line really needs a sales boost so they can justify the next wave...

BotBots isn't a Generations line. Studio Series, however, is.

All I know is my fingers are crossed for more stimulus checks so they can go straight to transformers lol

o.supreme wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:Could we maybe not debate WfC vs. SS-86 again, it wasn't any more interesting in the SS and ER threads when we talked it to death weeks ago.

Lines are marketing constructs, who cares

I care. By that logic, they might as well put original Series Glavatron in Botbots, because , ya know, that line really needs a sales boost so they can justify the next wave...

Oh, if you want to talk logic, then let's talk about the logically fallacy you just made. Reductio ad Absurdum. Putting a Generations styled toy into the BotBots branding isn't the equivalent at ALL of putting a 1986 movie character into a movie line, that heretofore NEVER said that animated movie characters were off the table. That was just an assumption, although not a terrible one, that we now know is not the case, so let us reconcile the fact that we lacked imagination until now and were wrong. At least all the G1 characters in the Studio Series line were legitimately featured in The Transformers: The Movie. If they tried to shoehorn in some non 1986-movie characters, like Sandstorm or Octane, then we'd have a bit of an issue.

I'll try to track down a source for you on Hasbro, but that will take a bit of time. This is information that came to us in podcast form from one of the recent Fan First Fridays on Hasbro Pulse or what have you. In other words, it's not an interview transcript or news story that I can readily point to.

aronjlove wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:It's not a fan theory. Hasbro has told us this is the case, period. There were not enough slots in Kingdom for all of the 1986 movie characters AND the Beast Wars characters.

Which makes me wonder all the more why the even added BW to the WfC trilogy. They could easily have made a separate line for BW figures and then left SS to what it originally was, the live-action movies, and finished the G1-esque WfC with the '86 animated movie figures all in one line. I really feel like this third season/chapter whatever of WfC was sorta rushed and not thought out from a marketing standpoint.

Generating a toyline like that is not that simple. Hasbro doesn't just go to a Store and say "Put this on your shelf". They have to sell it and sell the idea of it. So far, we have not seen enough figures from the BW side of things to fill a full line, we're right around the Netflix series in terms of figures being released which would mean TA-DA! More exclusives. And no one wants that. So they slip them into the series that is supposed to be representing multiple Generations and roll with it. Then its padding in the line with whatever other releases they have. Now, why they didnt bump someone in Studio Series for the redt of SS86 is beyond me, but we don't know nearly enough about whats coming for that line. (i would have sacrificed BeeScream for a slot for Cyclonus, but thats just me). Magnus makes some sense since he is likely to be a re-up of his Siege figure.

Yeah, right now the store shelves at Target and Walmart are fighting to make room for four Transformers toylines in one section:

• War For Cybertron Trilogy (Siege/Earthrise/Kingdom)
• Studio Series
• War For Cybertron Trilogy (Netflix, Walmart only)
• Cyberverse

Though, while Target doesn't have the Netflix line, it makes up for it with BotBots and the Movie Masterpieces. And Walmart also has to fit the RED toyline and the Vintage G1 line of reissues in there as well.

Creating a fifth all new toyline to try and cram into that same retail section would be overkill.

Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, right now the store shelves at Target and Walmart are fighting to make room for four Transformers toylines in one section:

• War For Cybertron Trilogy (Siege/Earthrise/Kingdom)
• Studio Series
• War For Cybertron Trilogy (Netflix, Walmart only)
• Cyberverse

Though, while Targt doesn't have the Netflix line, it makes up for it with BotBots and the Movie Masterpieces. And Walmart also has to fit the RED toyline in there as well.

Creating a fifth all new toyline to try and cram into that same retail section would be overkill.

Don't forget the G1 reissues.

It's gotten to the point only parts of any given line may appear in any given store:

- Walmart doesn't carry Battle Masters or Micromasters Classes in-store
- Target has Commander Class on the shelves

Toys 'R Us they ain't (tho Walmart may beg to differ), so shelf space is limited.

Some Targets even had the Titan Class figures, but after the Ark that may be finished. Is the Ark part of the Kingdom line like Scorponok was with Earthrise?

Rodimus Prime wrote:Some Targets even had the Titan Class figures, but after the Ark that may be finished. Is the Ark part of the Kingdom line like Scorponok was with Earthrise?

Yes

Rodimus Prime wrote:Some Targets even had the Titan Class figures, but after the Ark that may be finished. Is the Ark part of the Kingdom line like Scorponok was with Earthrise?

Ahh yeah they did, that's how I got my Scorponok! Impulse buy as I was going for a bicycle for my god-daughter.

I've watched 2 reviews on Rattrap. No matter what, I cannot get over the wrong direction arms. And then to find out they are on a transformation hinge that goes down everyone you move them, instant and forever pass!!

Cheetron wrote:I've watched 2 reviews on Rattrap. No matter what, I cannot get over the wrong direction arms. And then to find out they are on a transformation hinge that goes down everyone you move them, instant and forever pass!!

To clarify, are you talking about the shoulder hinges that jut out from the kibble backpack at a 90 degree angle, as opposed to being connected to the robot mode torso?

Cheetron wrote:I've watched 2 reviews on Rattrap. No matter what, I cannot get over the wrong direction arms. And then to find out they are on a transformation hinge that goes down everyone you move them, instant and forever pass!!

The thing I can't get over is the figure just doesn't have the amount of personality I am looking for in a toy (in either mode). Went with Vertebreak for the Core Class win.

Love the designs! Love the fossilizers! Love the colors (looking at you initial Takara photographer) please Terrosaur and Scorponok! But is anyone else wondering why Megatron has the tail bumps on the bottom? I love the engineering just why does it do that though? Is there something I’m missing?

GrangerPerry wrote:But is anyone else wondering why Megatron has the tail bumps on the bottom? I love the engineering just why does it do that though? Is there something I’m missing?

I think it is so that his tail-hand can be a claw/pincher in robot mode.

GrangerPerry wrote:Love the designs! Love the fossilizers! Love the colors (looking at you initial Takara photographer) please Terrosaur and Scorponok! But is anyone else wondering why Megatron has the tail bumps on the bottom? I love the engineering just why does it do that though? Is there something I’m missing?

Scorponok is actually confirmed already. It's Terrorsaur, Taranntulas and Inferno (ant) that we need to hear some news about.

BeastWarrior wrote:

GrangerPerry wrote:Love the designs! Love the fossilizers! Love the colors (looking at you initial Takara photographer) please Terrosaur and Scorponok! But is anyone else wondering why Megatron has the tail bumps on the bottom? I love the engineering just why does it do that though? Is there something I’m missing?

Scorponok is actually confirmed already. It's Terrorsaur, Taranntulas and Inferno (ant) that we need to hear some news about.

Unfortunately, the news appears... Not good. The three of them aren't mainline, so while they could be exclusives or Selects, it's also been said that they're likely to follow if Kingdom does well.

As an aside, according to Pixelmaster (I believe, could be wrong), if Kingdom does well, then we might see more branching past G1 in future lines. But if it flops, then it'll be back to good old safe G1

The only one of those three I see happening is Tarantulas in the Netflix line, maybe, given he's "just" a head and front torso retool of Blackarachnia. The other two need their own molds, so if they weren't in the leaked mainline listing, they're probably not happening at all. At least not on Kingdom.

I hope people buy the Beast Wars figures, I really want to get more Beast Wars characters. It's already a bit sad that it's rumored they were going to do Polar Claw but had to cancel it. And maybe, if it's successful, we'll start getting Robots in Disguise, Unicron Trilogy and Animated toys too.

I actually heard that Polar Claw might be back in. Word through the grapevine is he's gonna be a Voyager class figure. As a Generations selects exclusive.

BeastWarrior wrote:I actually heard that Polar Claw might be back in. Word through the grapevine is he's gonna be a Voyager class figure. As a Generations selects exclusive.

That would be very unusual, we have heard before that the budget for Generations Selects is basically new paint and head retool, with other new tooling being too expensive to put into it.

The only 2 exceptions to this rule seem to be Greasepit (who was a new arm retool instead of head) and Tigertrack (who comes with weapons from both prior uses of the mold instead of just one or the other).

So while I want Polar Claw to happen, I feel it's still a bit of a pipe dream

It could still happen as an Amazon Exclusive given what they get from time to time, look at the earth mode ironhide/Ratchet tooling or punch/Counterpunch. I agree though, it's not a fit with what Selects does.

Just approved the delay to Kingdom Core-class Prime. I shouldn't be surprised but they didn't know until the day of shipping they didn't have it?!?! At least the Autobot Clones arrived to hold me over...

aronjlove wrote:Just approved the delay to Kingdom Core-class Prime. I shouldn't be surprised but they didn't know until the day of shipping they didn't have it?!?! At least the Autobot Clones arrived to hold me over...

This isn't an isolated issue, back in early October a bunch of release dates got changed (Paradron Medics, ER wave 3 deluxes, etc) to later in that week; they didn't arrive by then and the dates were changed back. It's likely that the same thing is happening here.

aronjlove wrote:Just approved the delay to Kingdom Core-class Prime. I shouldn't be surprised but they didn't know until the day of shipping they didn't have it?!?! At least the Autobot Clones arrived to hold me over...

Target?

Bone Age wrote:

aronjlove wrote:Just approved the delay to Kingdom Core-class Prime. I shouldn't be surprised but they didn't know until the day of shipping they didn't have it?!?! At least the Autobot Clones arrived to hold me over...

Target?

The Autobot clones were Amazon, Target got the Decepticons. If Amazon is actually shipping out the Autobot Clones then that means they passed up the Paradon Medics set as the first one to ship.