What Counts for a list of a character's best toys? (need community input)

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What Counts for a list of a character's best toys? (need community input)

Postby william-james88 » Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:39 am

When you deal with the big names, its easy. Optimus has similar characteristics and themes in all his toys so its easy to see what counts when thinking of his best toys. Same for BB (a younger character who turns into yellow car) and Grimlock (a big T-Rex that doesn't make the most of sense when he talks), Megatron (the big bad guy with lots of Firepower) and Starscream (the jet villain).

But then you get into Sideswipe, Smokescreen, Prowl and Wheeljack and it all falls apart.

Like lets say I am making a top 5 Wheeljack toys list, what counts?
Armada Wheeljack? Armada Downshift? Cybertron Downshift? Movie Q?

What about Smokescreen? He's a fairlady z guy, but in Prime he becomes a totally different character. So would he still count in a list of best Smokescreen toys?

Just things I have been wondering and wanted your input!
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Re: What Counts for a list of a character's best toys? (need community input)

Postby GuyIncognito » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:04 am

I think you're overthinking it. If you're ranking the top Wheeljack toys, then the list should only include toys packaged/sold with the name Wheeljack. That'a a simple criterion that will make things easy for you. Related toys that aren't technically "Wheeljack" could be menioned in the "Honorable Mentions".
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Re: What Counts for a list of a character's best toys? (need community input)

Postby william-james88 » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:08 am

GuyIncognito wrote:I think you're overthinking it. If you're ranking the top Wheeljack toys, then the list should only include toys packaged/sold with the name Wheeljack. That'a a simple criterion that will make things easy for you. Related toys that aren't technically "Wheeljack" could be menioned in the "Honorable Mentions".

Thanks for the input. But does that mean Beast Wars Inferno would be on a top 5 Inferno list?
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Re: What Counts for a list of a character's best toys? (need community input)

Postby DangerousFat » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:20 am

william-james88 wrote:
GuyIncognito wrote:I think you're overthinking it. If you're ranking the top Wheeljack toys, then the list should only include toys packaged/sold with the name Wheeljack. That'a a simple criterion that will make things easy for you. Related toys that aren't technically "Wheeljack" could be menioned in the "Honorable Mentions".

Thanks for the input. But does that mean Beast Wars Inferno would be on a top 5 Inferno list?


I feel like you're trying to be thick here. lol Beast Wars Inferno is clearly a completely different character... being Predacon Fire Ant as compared to the G1 Autobot Fire Truck. So no, they would not be on the same list together. Now I'd personally allow the Wheeljack / Downshift thing if Downshift was clearly intended to be an analog for Wheeljack.

In the end, it's up to you. People are gonna complain no matter what you decide, so just go with it and have fun. All I'd say is whatever criteria you decide on, be consistent and state that clearly at the beginning to set expectations.
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Re: What Counts for a list of a character's best toys? (need community input)

Postby william-james88 » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:46 am

DangerousFat wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
GuyIncognito wrote:I think you're overthinking it. If you're ranking the top Wheeljack toys, then the list should only include toys packaged/sold with the name Wheeljack. That'a a simple criterion that will make things easy for you. Related toys that aren't technically "Wheeljack" could be menioned in the "Honorable Mentions".

Thanks for the input. But does that mean Beast Wars Inferno would be on a top 5 Inferno list?


I feel like you're trying to be thick here. lol

I was :lol: But it was to show that the name sometimes might not mean anything, hence why i brought this topic up. I too would include Downshift for Wheeljack and I would not include Armada wheeljack in a wheeljack list. I just wanted to know what people would think of that.

What about scorponok? its all different characters, but they have the same theme. then again, for that I might as well just say Top 5 scorpion toys.
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Re: What Counts for a list of a character's best toys? (need community input)

Postby MrBlack » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:21 pm

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I think that characters that don't exactly match their G1 archetype can count, even if they don't have the same name and exact look, as long as they are intended to fill the role of the G1 character.

As you said, when making a Wheeljack list, the Armada character of that name wouldn't make the list because he shares nothing in common with his namesake. The same might not be true of, say, Armada Prowl or Animated Prowl. Neither exactly look like their G1 namesake, but they both fulfill similar roles, and both have alt-modes that reference G1 Prowl's police car.

Ultimately, it's admittedly a judgment call. Smokescreen is a bit of a toss-up, but the Prime version is close enough that I'd let it slide.
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Re: What Counts for a list of a character's best toys? (need community input)

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:42 pm

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Judgement call. No one's gonna method's gonna work for all characters. I mean, I'd be a bit miffed if you left Armada Wheeljack off the list of 'best Wheeljack' characters. ;)
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Re: What Counts for a list of a character's best toys? (need community input)

Postby Insurgent » Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:04 pm

If the figure has that name, then it counts for the list. So yes, bw inferno would count in my mind for best inferno toys. Otherwise, your list needs refining to be called best g1 inferno inspired toys. Because if not, then youre just being picky and selective with an unfait g1 biased. Ttansformers are always reinventing themselves, leaving figures off just because they are completely different is a disservice to those new interpretations.


Maybe figures without the name but is a clear homage goes under honourable mentions.
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Re: What Counts for a list of a character's best toys? (need community input)

Postby fenrir72 » Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:01 pm

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Look/appearance (this IS the prime attraction) and engineering in the transformation.

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Re: What Counts for a list of a character's best toys? (need community input)

Postby william-james88 » Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:01 pm

MrBlack wrote:As you said, when making a Wheeljack list, the Armada character of that name wouldn't make the list because he shares nothing in common with his namesake.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote: I mean, I'd be a bit miffed if you left Armada Wheeljack off the list of 'best Wheeljack' characters. ;)


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Re: What Counts for a list of a character's best toys? (need community input)

Postby RAR » Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:20 am

william-james88 wrote:W
Like lets say I am making a top 5 Wheeljack toys list, what counts?
Armada Wheeljack? Armada Downshift? Cybertron Downshift? Movie Q?

What about Smokescreen? He's a fairlady z guy, but in Prime he becomes a totally different character. So would he still count in a list of best Smokescreen toys?

Just things I have been wondering and wanted your input!


Prime Smokescreen might count in a rather convoluted way as being bundled in (as would the Cybertron mould repaint version) as Prime Smokescreen's alt deco is based on the Binaltech version and the Binaltech Smokescreen surely counts - I'd say Silverstreak counts as Bluestreak too (even the Stealthmode one).

As for Jackie the specific ones you mention were actually also sold a Wheeljack (aside from Cybertron Downshift- a criminal oversight on Takara's part there).

Armada Wheeljack can count if you want him too or you can say he's "Rampage" if you prefer.

Energon Downshift was actually sold as Wheeljack in Japan so no problems there. (i'm not so keen on the Micron Wheeljack being included though - but that is just me) Movie Que is also fine as likewise he has a Wheeljack version too - including one with a white deco and a more normal Wheeljack head.
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Re: What Counts for a list of a character's best toys? (need community input)

Postby william-james88 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:20 pm

RAR wrote:
william-james88 wrote:W
Like lets say I am making a top 5 Wheeljack toys list, what counts?
Armada Wheeljack? Armada Downshift? Cybertron Downshift? Movie Q?

What about Smokescreen? He's a fairlady z guy, but in Prime he becomes a totally different character. So would he still count in a list of best Smokescreen toys?

Just things I have been wondering and wanted your input!


Prime Smokescreen might count in a rather convoluted way as being bundled in (as would the Cybertron mould repaint version) as Prime Smokescreen's alt deco is based on the Binaltech version and the Binaltech Smokescreen surely counts - I'd say Silverstreak counts as Bluestreak too (even the Stealthmode one).

As for Jackie the specific ones you mention were actually also sold a Wheeljack (aside from Cybertron Downshift- a criminal oversight on Takara's part there).

Armada Wheeljack can count if you want him too or you can say he's "Rampage" if you prefer.

Energon Downshift was actually sold as Wheeljack in Japan so no problems there. (i'm not so keen on the Micron Wheeljack being included though - but that is just me) Movie Que is also fine as likewise he has a Wheeljack version too - including one with a white deco and a more normal Wheeljack head.

I thought armada wheeljack was supposed to be sideswipe.
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Re: What Counts for a list of a character's best toys? (need community input)

Postby RAR » Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:31 pm

william-james88 wrote:
RAR wrote:
william-james88 wrote:W
Like lets say I am making a top 5 Wheeljack toys list, what counts?
Armada Wheeljack? Armada Downshift? Cybertron Downshift? Movie Q?

What about Smokescreen? He's a fairlady z guy, but in Prime he becomes a totally different character. So would he still count in a list of best Smokescreen toys?

Just things I have been wondering and wanted your input!


Prime Smokescreen might count in a rather convoluted way as being bundled in (as would the Cybertron mould repaint version) as Prime Smokescreen's alt deco is based on the Binaltech version and the Binaltech Smokescreen surely counts - I'd say Silverstreak counts as Bluestreak too (even the Stealthmode one).

As for Jackie the specific ones you mention were actually also sold a Wheeljack (aside from Cybertron Downshift- a criminal oversight on Takara's part there).

Armada Wheeljack can count if you want him too or you can say he's "Rampage" if you prefer.

Energon Downshift was actually sold as Wheeljack in Japan so no problems there. (i'm not so keen on the Micron Wheeljack being included though - but that is just me) Movie Que is also fine as likewise he has a Wheeljack version too - including one with a white deco and a more normal Wheeljack head.

I thought armada wheeljack was supposed to be sideswipe.


I just mentioned Rampage as that is his Japanese Name - just so if you don't want to see him as Jackie you have an alternative - kinda like I do sometimes use the name for Armada/Micron Legend Doubleface rather than Sideways and Noisemaze for the Galaxy Force / Cybertron one then that leaves Sideways free for the other toy/s of that name.

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Re: What Counts for a list of a character's best toys? (need community input)

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:36 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
MrBlack wrote:As you said, when making a Wheeljack list, the Armada character of that name wouldn't make the list because he shares nothing in common with his namesake.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote: I mean, I'd be a bit miffed if you left Armada Wheeljack off the list of 'best Wheeljack' characters. ;)


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Re: What Counts for a list of a character's best toys? (need community input)

Postby william-james88 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:58 pm

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
MrBlack wrote:As you said, when making a Wheeljack list, the Armada character of that name wouldn't make the list because he shares nothing in common with his namesake.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote: I mean, I'd be a bit miffed if you left Armada Wheeljack off the list of 'best Wheeljack' characters. ;)


:lol: Theres no way I will be able to please all of you.

Exactly! :D So just do what you feel to be right.

Ok then :D and maybe you answered before but do you see movie sudeswipe as a version on Sideswipe?
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Re: What Counts for a list of a character's best toys? (need community input)

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:49 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
MrBlack wrote:As you said, when making a Wheeljack list, the Armada character of that name wouldn't make the list because he shares nothing in common with his namesake.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote: I mean, I'd be a bit miffed if you left Armada Wheeljack off the list of 'best Wheeljack' characters. ;)


:lol: Theres no way I will be able to please all of you.

Exactly! :D So just do what you feel to be right.

Ok then :D and maybe you answered before but do you see movie sudeswipe as a version on Sideswipe?

I didn't answer this, no. I do see him as a version of Sideswipe.
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Re: What Counts for a list of a character's best toys? (need community input)

Postby Optimum Supreme » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:25 pm

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IMO, the name's less important than the theme of the character.

Thus RID Grimlock wouldn't count, not being a T-Rex, but rather a construction vehicle. But movie Grimlock in all his too many variations would.

Energon Downshift is absolutely intended as Wheeljack, Hasbro just already (mis)used that name for silly (TM?) reasons and had to come up with something else.

Is Armada Smokescreen to be considered along side all the racing car Smokescreens? NO WAY JOSE!
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Re: What Counts for a list of a character's best toys? (need community input)

Postby Insurgent » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:53 pm

Optimum Supreme wrote:IMO, the name's less important than the theme of the character.

Thus RID Grimlock wouldn't count, not being a T-Rex, but rather a construction vehicle. But movie Grimlock in all his too many variations would.

Energon Downshift is absolutely intended as Wheeljack, Hasbro just already (mis)used that name for silly (TM?) reasons and had to come up with something else.

Is Armada Smokescreen to be considered along side all the racing car Smokescreens? NO WAY JOSE!



G1, Beast Wars, RID15 and Movie Scorpinoks. What about those? Completely different characters but the same theme of turning into scorpions. Would you put those all together?
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