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Something I don't know if anybody ever brought up in any threads is on the very first episode of G1 when Teletran 1 started repairing everyone millions of years after they crashed into the volcano it repaired Skywarp first and he then dragged Megatron over to get repaired as well. Who then ordered Skywarp to help him drag the other Decepticon's over to be repaired. Now had it gone differently where Starscream got repaired first. What do you think would have happened? Myself I think he would have probably disposed of Megatron's body and then repaired all the other Con's and told them that Megatron was destroyed and that he was leader now. Or he would have left them all alone and tried to go on and conquer Earth all by himself. What are your thoughts as to what could have happened if Starscream came back online first instead of the loyal Skywarp? I dual posted this on TFW2005 as well because would love to hear what other people all over think since this is something I always wondered about.

Sounds like Starscream would just take over and go from there I believe. I mean it's within his character to try it. Maybe Soundwave would try to revive Megatron though like he did in Fall of Cybertron after Metroplex squished him. It all depends. Would love to see some fiction related to it. Would be interesting to read through in any case.

If Starscream got revived first instead of Skywarp, and then disposed of Megatron before Megs could be repaired, then we'd have had a much shorter show than the one we had.

starscream would take over

You know, this has become a rather timely question since the latest issue of the TCC magazine has provided a two-page screencap comic that presents a very similar "what if" situation to this inquiry. And that is "What if both Optimus and Megatron were never revived in the Ark?"

In this comic, Beast Wars Megatron succeeds in killing the stasis locked Optimus Prime, but to tip the scales back against BW Megatron's actions, Blackarachnia uses her venom to render G1 Megatron permanently offline, preventing him from waking in 1984 as well. Thus, time is rewritten and history takes a difference course. With both Optimus Prime and Megatron completely out of commission and irreparable by the time Teletraan I reactivated and revived everyone else inside the Ark, the war took a different direction with both sides leaderless, and a new timeline was born with a completely different future.

That future... is Beast Wars: Uprising.

i dont like beast wars, dudes.

The idea's kind of explored in Hearts of Steel iirc. Never got to read it but Starscream comes online and Megatron doesn't.

Sabrblade wrote:You know, this has become a rather timely question since the latest issue of the TCC magazine has provided a two-page screencap comic that presents a very similar "what if" situation to this inquiry. And that is "What if both Optimus and Megatron were never revived in the Ark?"

In this comic, Beast Wars Megatron succeeds in killing the stasis locked Optimus Prime, but to tip the scales back against BW Megatron's actions, Blackarachnia uses her venom to render G1 Megatron permanently offline, preventing him from waking in 1984 as well. Thus, time is rewritten and history takes a difference course. With both Optimus Prime and Megatron completely out of commission and irreparable by the time Teletraan I reactivated and revived everyone else inside the Ark, the war took a different direction with both sides leaderless, and a new timeline was born with a completely different future.

That future... is Beast Wars: Uprising.

Alright. That actually sounds pretty cool. Also, wouldn't that have like further repercussions too? Like Unicron destroying Cybertron and there being no Matrix to fight back against him?

Tyrannacon wrote:Alright. That actually sounds pretty cool. Also, wouldn't that have like further repercussions too? Like Unicron destroying Cybertron and there being no Matrix to fight back against him?

One might think, but let's consider something else. Unicron in the movie told Galvatron "For a time, I considered sparring your wretched planet Cybertron..." and only lashed out against Cybertron when Galvatron attempted to use the Matrix against Unicron rather than destroy the Matrix. If the Matrix was gone when Optimus died, then Unicron wouldn't need to have Galvatron go destroy it, thus Galvatron wouldn't be able to try using the Matrix against Unicron, thus Unicron wouldn't get angry enough at Galvatron to want to spite him by attacking Cybertron.

Although, then again, if the Matrix was gone when Optimus died, then Optimus wouldn't have passed it onto Ultra Magnus in 2005, meaning Unicron's attention wouldn't have been taken by that exchanging of the Matrix, meaning Unicron might not have even bothered with Cybertron at all, and would instead have just kept eating planets off on his own.

Or, then again, this is all presuming that only events akin to the cartoon took place in the Uprising timeline. Were it instead events like the Marvel Comics, then the biggest differences would instead be that everyone birthed by the Creation Matrix (the Constructicons, Jetfire, the Aerialbots, the Stunticons) mightn't have existed. But in another sense, with G1 Megatron out of the picture as well, Starscream might've taken over only for Shockwave to come along and seize power from him and have an undisputed leadership over the Decepticons until Ratbat's coming since Megatron wouldn't be around to challenge Shockwave. Thus, the whole situation with Megatron appearently dying in a space bridge accident wouldn't happen, which means Megatron wouldn't have ended up back on Cybertron, which means he wouldn't have kidnapped Ratchet or forced him into reviving Starscream as a Pretender, nor would Ratchet revive Bumblebee, Jazz, and Grimlock as Pretenders, meaning those three wouldn't go on to inspire hope on Cybertron shortly after their resurrection, meaning the Mayhem Attack Squad wouldn't be sent to kill those three and sabotage their return to Earth, meaning all six of them wouldn't end up warping into the heart of Cybertron and accidentally reawaken Primus, whose scream wouldn't then catch the attention of a dormant Unicron, meaning Unicron wouldn't wake up and decide to go destroy Cybertron.

But at the heart of all this speculation is the notion that, with this magazine comic taking both Optimus Prime and Megatron out of the picture before the Ark erupted and woke up Teletraan I, the events that played out from 1984 onward had changed considerably. We don't know everything that changed or didn't change, but things did turn out differently. For all we know, Unicron may not have attacked Cybertron at all this time around. Or maybe he simply brought about Galvatron for some other non-Matrix-related purpose and didn't need to do anything else himself beyond bringing about Galvatron. All we know about Unicron in the Uprising timeline is that he apparently still made Galvatron from Megatron, but for what purpose this time around (and why Unicron used a 4 million year old corpse for the job) is unknown.

The thing that I never get about the whole "If Optimus is dead the Matrix isn't around to kill Unicron" thing... is that how does Optimus' death and the Matrix' disappearance correlate in any sense? Hell, the first time we ever saw the Matrix in Transformers was when Optimus died. When the Autobots woke up they'd find Optimus dead, mourn him sadly and keep the Matrix somewhere safe. And then later Hot Rod might stumble across it and become Rodimus - maybe even earlier than 2005, which is pretty interesting. I don't think even BW Megatron would be crazy enough to destroy the one thing keeping robot-satan at bay.

Kurona wrote:The thing that I never get about the whole "If Optimus is dead the Matrix isn't around to kill Unicron" thing... is that how does Optimus' death and the Matrix' disappearance correlate in any sense? Hell, the first time we ever saw the Matrix in Transformers was when Optimus died. When the Autobots woke up they'd find Optimus dead, mourn him sadly and keep the Matrix somewhere safe. And then later Hot Rod might stumble across it and become Rodimus - maybe even earlier than 2005, which is pretty interesting. I don't think even BW Megatron would be crazy enough to destroy the one thing keeping robot-satan at bay.

True. Though, the 2005 thing is if Unicron attacked during that year and not during 1991 like he did in Marvel.

Sabr, you are truly your rank of "God of Transformers" with this gift of knowledge you shared. I aspire to have your level of knowledge regarding all this some day. Thank you for entertaining the "what-if's" here.

Just got some clarity from the authors that the Matrix likely did survive Prime's death by BW Megatron in the Uprising timeline.

I got another theory which also might have happened:

- Starscream got revived first.
- Starscream brought the other Decepticons into the "revive beam".
- The Decepticons would have left the Ark...but...

But then come some questions.
- Soundwave? What would Soundwave have done?

If Soundwave would have revived Megs, then Megs would have punished Starscream, maybe killed him. A blast could have created the same tremor that forced the body of Optimus into the beam, resulting into revive of the other Autobots. This would have create a timeline without Starscream.

If Soundwave would not have revived Megs, Starscream could have shot the mountain like he did originally resulting into to same tremor that forced the body of Optimus into the beam, also resulting into revive of the other Autobots. This would have created a timeline with Starscream being the leader of the Decepticons.

On the other hand - and I am really going far - considering the fact that Optimus and Megs were fighting each other during the crash, they've must have been close to each other. Therefore when Starscream shot the mountain the tremor could have forced the body of Megs into the beam, resulting into Megs revenge and no revive of any Autobots. Unless Starscream did everything possible to prevent the revive of Megs, like ... shattering his head into pieces.

Starscream revives first, renders Megatron unable to be revived(either by disposing of the body or turning it into so much scrap that repairs can't be done), then revives the other Decepticons. When they leave the Ark, suppose they didn't land on that specific cliff that they did in MTMTE episode 1 because let's say that was a Megatron choice of heading there to survey the area, now the Autobots never revive and the 'Cons decimate the planet's resources.