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Re: What Might Have Been - Beast Wars Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:35 pm

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Made some more adjustments to the episode order after I changed my mind and decided to switch around "Possession" and "Dark Voyage".

Here's the main section that's been edited (among other smaller edits):

Sabrblade wrote:Then we get "Possession" and "Dark Voyage". Inferno is unusually absent from these episodes, allowing both of them to come earlier. "Dark Voyage" always felt like an early episode, especially with Dinobot still referring to the Pit as "the Inferno". Yet, the episode was both produced and aired after Inferno's debut. But, because Airazor is mentioned by Optimus, this episode could not come any earlier than after "The Spark".

"Possession", similarly, does not feature Inferno at all, yet still came after his debut. Moving it up to come before both parts of "The Trigger" actually patches up a bit of continuity that always felt off to me in that two-parter. In that episode, Blackarachnia harbors a thirst for power and a desire to overthrow Megatron and rule the Predacons. Megatron is also suspicious of her ambitions and cautions Scorponok to watch her. However, in the original broadcast order, Blackarachnia never held such desires in any prior episodes and thus never gave Megatron any reason to distrust her.

In "Possession", Blackarachnia is taught the ways of deception by Starscream. She also uses what she learned to smooth-talk her way back into Megatron's good graces, but not without him still leery of her. Placing this episode before "The Trigger" thus creates a more complete picture of Blackarachia's descent into treachery, as the only time beforehand that she ever expressed any kind of disdain for Megatron was in "The Spark" wherein she complained to Scorponok "Don't you ever get tired of groveling to that saurian?" But, that was brief and she never again expressed such frustration in the rest of the episode. Placing "Possession" here completes that development.

However, I also switched these two episodes around to place "Possession" first for three reasons. First, Airazor's absence from "Dark Voyage" didn't feel right coming right after her debut. Unlike Tigatron's preference to be on his own and Blackarachnia's natural tendency to sneak away, Airazor became a full-time resident of her team's base, and it felt wrong to put the episode wherein she is only-mentioned-and-never-seen right after her debut. While she only has a minor role in "Possession", she is at least still present for some of it.

Second, I mentioned before that Blackarachnia was getting tired of working for Megatron in "The Spark", which was only a momentary feeling in the original broadcast order. Placing the episode wherein she first develops her treacherous nature right after that episode suddenly makes her frustration in that episode all the more meaningful, now serving as foreshadowing to the events of "Possession".

Third, I also said that Megatron become wary of Blackarachnia by the end of "Possession", so his choosing send her out on such an important mission in "The Trigger", so soon after "Possession" had just given him ample reason to distrust her, felt a bit reckless on his part. Placing "Dark Voyage" between "Possession" and "The Trigger" gives some breathing room that allows Megatron to ease up on his suspicions of Blackarachnia. Not completely (as evidenced by his whispers to Scorponok) but just enough to make him willing to send her out on the mission to the flying island.
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Re: What Might Have Been - Beast Wars Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:04 pm

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Building upon both the previous Beast Wars season 1 list and this other Beast Machines list I made four years ago in a different thread, I have used my TFWiki user page to make a new complete list for the entire Beast Wars Expanded Universe.

The first one, that is. Not the later universe made by IDW that changed/ignored/misunderstood so much about the cartoons.
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Re: What Might Have Been - Beast Wars Discussion

Postby Alph » Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:40 pm

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The Agenda
All this in mind you can imagine how "thrilled" I was when they completely squandered all of that potential and through plot contrivance, resolved the immediate danger in a single episode.


Uh...that wasn't a plot contrivance. Blackarachnia having the access codes (which gave her the ability to stop Megatron) and her being a maximal protoform (which gave her the motive to do so) were both well established aspects of the basic storyline up until that point. They weren't something that just popped up out of nowhere to resolve the conflict, rather they were both established details that Megatron (and most of the audience, as we believed, just like him, that he had won) had simply overlooked. It's the exact opposite of a contrivance
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Re: What Might Have Been - Beast Wars Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:20 pm

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Alph wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The Agenda
All this in mind you can imagine how "thrilled" I was when they completely squandered all of that potential and through plot contrivance, resolved the immediate danger in a single episode.


Uh...that wasn't a plot contrivance. Blackarachnia having the access codes (which gave her the ability to stop Megatron) and her being a maximal protoform (which gave her the motive to do so) were both well established aspects of the basic storyline up until that point. They weren't something that just popped up out of nowhere to resolve the conflict, rather they were both established details that Megatron (and most of the audience, as we believed, just like him, that he had won) had simply overlooked. It's the exact opposite of a contrivance



The contrivance wasn't Blackarachnia and no one said it was.

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Re: What Might Have Been - Beast Wars Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:31 am

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So, I just watched the second Japanese clip show for Beast Wars Metals (which is set after "Nemesis Part 2") and also found an online description for it and... it is very silly.

I'm also convinced that the title's English translation should be "Remix: I Forgot the Banana" instead of "Remix: I Lost the Banana".

The Maximals take off in the Autobot shuttle, but then Optimus realizes he forgot his banana and refuses to go back to Cybertron without it. They take the ship back down. Optimus then reads in the Covenant of Primus about "Legendary Banana Seeds" that only a true hero will find. Everyone then scrambles to search for the Legendary Banana Seeds, including the Predacons. Megatron is back inside the Nemesis, using it as his base to coordinate the Predacons' search for the banana seeds. Everyone who died in the past three episodes are also suddenly alive again with no explanation, all taking part in the search for the seeds.

The episode also features moments narrated by Quickstrike, proving ASMR-styled narrations to, I presume, help the story make more sense, but I'm not sure.

The protohumans (who can all conveniently speak in full sentences now) are said to possess the knowledge of where the seeds can be found, and the Predacons attack them. Cheetor does his best to protect them, but Una is abducted by Waspinator. Rattrap and Depth Charge rescue her and Optimus learns from her that one seed is located under the sea. Silverbolt drops Rattrap inside his submarine into the water to find it, but he's attacked by Rampage and saved by Depth Charge. He gets the seed (represented by Sentinel), but he and Silverbolt fight Waspinator and Inferno over it, but are ultimately victorious.

The episode is then interrupted by a quick collection of all the Beast Wars Metals commercial bumpers playing in rapid succession.

It resumes with the Maximals realizing there is a second Legendary Banana Seed. Optimus battles Megatron in a game of Shiritori before Megatron reveals that the second part of the Covenant of Primus says that the seed can only be acquired by winning a game of voice impressions. Megatron hosts the tournament with Dinobot scoring everyone's impressions. Nearly all of the Beast Warriors participate doing impressions of pop culture characters and people (except Rampage, who doesn't want to play and passes whenever it's his turn). In the end, Cheetor is the first to get a perfect score, winning him the seed.

With all that out of the way, the episode concludes with the final moments of "Nemesis Part 2" playing again. The Autobot shuttle takes off with the Maximals inside and Megatron suddenly recaptured. Though, Tigerhawk is apparently left behind, somehow still not back to being dead (the fates of the other characters who died before but were alive in this episode are not given).

During the end credits, in an out-of-continuity fashion, all of the characters say their respective farewells to the viewing audience at home and thank them for watching the show.


That description I linked to above also contains a complete list of every impression they do. Pikachu, Inspector Zenigata, Columbo, Popeye, and more.
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Re: What Might Have Been - Beast Wars Discussion

Postby ZeroWolf » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:22 pm

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This sounds utterly ridiculous, yet I can't help but love it. It's so odd to consider the tones that the us and Japan took with the same material.

One more thing, was Columbo really that popular with Japanese kids/parents that they would have guessed the impression?
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Re: What Might Have Been - Beast Wars Discussion

Postby SallyRay » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:14 pm

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The Agenda - Arguably the biggest love letter to G1 onscreen to date. While Season 2 of Beast Wars featured some of the best Transformers stories ever told: Code of Hero, Transmutate etc It was the Finale that gave the ultimate pay off to fans of old. Back then for the first time we were shown the Ark and Most of it's occupants, in CG for the first time (That ugly old G2 intro to Sunbow repeats doesn't really count). More than that we saw a Megatron that did the unthinkable.. follow through with a plan and it actually succeeded.

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"Say goodbye to the universe, Maximals! The future has changed, yessssss. The Autobots lose! Evil triumphs! And you...YOU NO LONGER EXIST!"


:APPLAUSE: I cheered! He did it. Megatron had won. Not just the Beast Wars, but the Great War too by proxy.

I was reeling at the possibility of the next season. Would it be set on Cybertron? Earth? Would we still follow the Predacons or would Megatron's actions have meant the Decepticons endured until the BW era?
Obviously there would be a small "ragtag" group of Autobot/Maximal survivors. Which BW toys would form this New Cast? Would they know time was altered? Would the Vok come into play? Would they mirror the beginning of Season One, with this ragtag band on the run trying to fix what Megatron had done?


So much amazing potential, so many new possibilities. A true fresh start for a series that was going from strength to strength.

All this in mind you can imagine how "thrilled" I was when they completely squandered all of that potential and through plot contrivance, resolved the immediate danger in a single episode. They would come back to it by the finale but to me the damage had been done. Season 3 was a near total reverse on the momentum built up with the previous season and even following on the Beast Machines they never delivered on the premise on offer through The Agenda.

If only they did, what a season that might a been.



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