Silverwing wrote:Also, I feel compelled to give the obligatory:
One for each year of the Movieverse's decade strong tenure. Here's to a few more explosive years!
Especially consdering how it came first ad outlived the cartoon by four years.Delicon wrote:Transformers history is a wacky thing. In the 1980's it seemed pretty simple as there was only the one show, although the Marvel comic definitely had some major differences.
It was well more coherent a story than the cartoon was.Delicon wrote:I enjoyed the Marvel comic as well but between the 2 different writers and the fact that they had to tapdance around the animated movie, I felt the storyline spun into too many different directions at times.
Delicon wrote:For instance, since when is Galvatron a totally different Transformer from Megatron? There are a lot more, but that's just one example.
Not the Aligned stuff (WFC/Exodus/Prime/Exiles/FOC/etc.). It's "outside" the multiverse (but still canon).Blurrz wrote:To me, everything is game... it's all part of the Transformers multiverse.
Different worlds can have differing mechanics. Though, Primus is still credited as being the TF's creator-god throughout the multitude of continuities. The Quints in the cartoon can still be the ones who built them, but also could have been unknowingly doing exactly what Primus wanted by building the TFs.Delicon wrote:I agree that in some instances you can just say "well, in an alternate universe it was like this" but some things, like who created the Transformers, etc. aren't exactly things that should be greatly varying from one to the other.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:BOY was I stupid wrong!
Having finally sat down and read all of the Marvel G1 stuff, I now see more references to it in later cartoons than I see references to the Sunbow cartoon. At least, in regards to the cosmological and religious aspects (i.e. - the Primus/Unicron myth and such).DrLegend wrote:I always like to consider the G1 cartoon/Beast Wars as the main story with everything else a veritable "spin-off" of it. And that's not to say a spin-off is a bad thing but so far all of the shows have pulled from the original G1 show as a source of inspiration for the newer version.
Even though it seems to make more callbacks to post-G1 material?DrLegend wrote:After watching all of the episodes of Transformers Prime, I was very pleasantly surprised. It reminded me of the G1 stories in a lot of ways and in others it stood on its own. For me, that's very validating because it almost feels like they took my childhood, updated it, and repackaged it all nice, new, and shiny.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
DrLegend wrote:I always like to consider the G1 cartoon/Beast Wars as the main story with everything else a veritable "spin-off" of it. And that's not to say a spin-off is a bad thing but so far all of the shows have pulled from the original G1 show as a source of inspiration for the newer version.
After watching all of the episodes of Transformers Prime, I was very pleasantly surprised. It reminded me of the G1 stories in a lot of ways and in others it stood on its own. For me, that's very validating because it almost feels like they took my childhood, updated it, and repackaged it all nice, new, and shiny.
Sabrblade wrote:The Quints in the cartoon can still be the ones who built them, but also could have been unknowingly doing exactly what Primus wanted by building the TFs.
Chaoslock wrote:The only things I don't consider main canon are:
1.a monkey built Unicron
Delicon wrote:Chaoslock wrote:The only things I don't consider main canon are:
1.a monkey built Unicron
To this day, I have no idea why so many people consider "Call of the Primitives" one of the best episodes of the series. It may be even less realistic than B.O.T.
Even though it seems to make more callbacks to post-G1 material? [/quote]DrLegend wrote:After watching all of the episodes of Transformers Prime, I was very pleasantly surprised. It reminded me of the G1 stories in a lot of ways and in others it stood on its own. For me, that's very validating because it almost feels like they took my childhood, updated it, and repackaged it all nice, new, and shiny.
Are you calling Primon, Prima, and Prime Nova of the G1 cartoon liars? Cuz, they were there when the Quints were in power.Chaoslock wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The Quints in the cartoon can still be the ones who built them, but also could have been unknowingly doing exactly what Primus wanted by building the TFs.
Or, they could have just conquered Cybertron and "retcon" transformers' history by spreading the lie that they created transformers (maybe that was told in one of the Dreamwave MTMTE books)
They seriously need to work that out to make it not contradict the Primus/Unicron myth. Like, have them say that Primacron didn't know that the being he was building the body of was a dark god, or something.Chaoslock wrote:The only things I don't consider main canon are:
1.a monkey built Unicron
"Balancing Act" solves EVERYTHING with that. And even Takara eventually got on the bandwagon with making Galaxy Force a sequel to Micron Densetsu and Super Link.Chaoslock wrote:2. Cybertron is a direct continuity of A-E
See episode 26 of TF: Prime.Chaoslock wrote:3. WFC has anything to do with TF: Prime
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Oxymoron? Hypocracy? Irony? Schrödinger's cat? I'm sure there is a word for it.RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Everything is canon, just some more canon than others. For me, the G1 cartoon trumps all, but not all of it. Paradox much?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Huh? They do what?Delicon wrote:Btw, it's funny how the TCC comics reference War Dawn one moment and War Within the next, like the 2 somehow jive.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Huh? They do what?Delicon wrote:Btw, it's funny how the TCC comics reference War Dawn one moment and War Within the next, like the 2 somehow jive.
Oh, now I see what's going on. See, the Elite Guard ones take place in a world, the "Wings Universe" if you will, that based on the G1 cartoon's past.Delicon wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Huh? They do what?Delicon wrote:Btw, it's funny how the TCC comics reference War Dawn one moment and War Within the next, like the 2 somehow jive.
In the Elite Guard stories, they have Dion as a character which obviously is a reference to War Dawn. In the Shattered Glass stories, they mention how SG Optimus was Optotronix from War Within. Correct me if I'm wrong (which I know you will) but they have also tied both comic threads into their Classicsverse universe. One doesn't work with the other.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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