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cotss2012 wrote: People who create accounts at RT are NOT, in any way, a cross-section of general moviegoing audiences. They are instead the hardest of the hardcore fans/haters. That's why I referred to the numbers for the CRITICS.

Excuses, excuses, excuses... That's really sad how evidence is right in front of you, yet you still make excuses. and even if what your saying is true, it still proves that the overall majority approved of the movies.

cotss2012 wrote:

Burn wrote:If you're going to say something like "Because Bay had stopped caring at that point", then be prepared to cite your sources.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaOWce9srEk

This means nothings. This has been done by multiple directors, and has been done in countless number of movies. and bay is not the first to reuse footage from one of his movies.
And please explain how less than 10 seconds of footage re used from another one of his movies proves that he doesn't care?

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

cotss2012 wrote::roll:

Please, for the love of Primus, can you make ANY kind of argument that these movies were good, other than "Michael Bay has a swimming pool full of hundred dollar bills"?

No other argument needs to be made. That money means a lot of people saw it and some saw it multiple times. I saw the first one and second one 3 times and DotM twice, and I HATE going to the theater. People don't do that for movies they don't like.

Exactly this. But you know what, I'll bite..
My argument is i liked the movies. I liked the plot, the story, the characters, the alt modes (especially, the alt modes) and the overall feel. Were the movies perfect? No. Could they be improved on? Sure. But that can be said for nearly any movie.

Bottom line is i liked the movies. And that's the only argument i need.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:No other argument needs to be made. That money means a lot of people saw it and some saw it multiple times.

A lot of people also eat at McDonald's. That doesn't mean that a Big Mac is a damn filet mignon.

5150 Cruiser wrote:Excuses, excuses, excuses... That's really sad how evidence is right in front of you, yet you still make excuses.

Evidence that the movies were well-liked among people who were sufficiently obsessed with them to create accounts at RT to express their opinions of the movies? Yeah, that was never in dispute. However, those people do not represent the average movie-goer. Critics don't either, but they come light-years closer than RT members do.

5150 Cruiser wrote:and even if what your saying is true, it still proves that the overall majority approved of the movies.

A slim majority approved the first movie, and much more substantial majorities hated the second and third.

5150 Cruiser wrote:My argument is i liked the movies. I liked the plot, the story, the characters, the alt modes (especially, the alt modes) and the overall feel. Were the movies perfect? No. Could they be improved on? Sure. But that can be said for nearly any movie.

Bottom line is i liked the movies. And that's the only argument i need.

Bottom line is that your taste in movies sucks.

For the most part I agree with you cotss, but I'd say a large majority of longtime TF fans and regular movie goers liked the first film. More regular movie goers liked the 2nd film, which for the love of god had no substance & was so disjointed & yet still people ate this up like pigs & bucket full of gruel. Longtime fans hated it (I hope). For DOTM - I'd say about at least half or more of longtime fans liked it and a very large majority of average joes liked it.

"Bottom line is that your taste in movies sucks."
--- unfortunately this can be said for a movie anyone liked including your favorite movie cotss. It's all subjective

cotss2012 wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:No other argument needs to be made. That money means a lot of people saw it and some saw it multiple times.

A lot of people also eat at McDonald's. That doesn't mean that a Big Mac is a damn filet mignon.

You're comparing apples to toasters there. People eat McDonalds because it's cheap and easy to get. Seeing a movie costs the same and takes the same effort regardless of what it is. If fillet mignon was as cheap and easy to get as a Big Mac McDonalds would be out of business.

You are clearly living in your own little world. A world where people will see a movie they hate multiple times. A world where these people will give said hated movie a positive review for some reason. A world where the opinions of a few wind bags is law.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:You are clearly living in your own little world. A world where people will see a movie they hate multiple times. A world where these people will give said hated movie a positive review for some reason. A world where the opinions of a few wind bags is law.

Your strawman needs a brain, and so do you:

cotss2012 wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:You are clearly living in your own little world. A world where people will see a movie they hate multiple times. A world where these people will give said hated movie a positive review for some reason. A world where the opinions of a few wind bags is law.

Your strawman needs a brain, and so do you:

Insults. For when arguments become stale. But you're making one solid point, though. There is no single quantifialble reason for you to like the movies.

You can dislike the movies. No problem. Stop telling everyone else they can't, because that's crossing a line IMO.

Freedom of speech suddenly sucks when people start to disagree, wouldn't you agree?

cotss, i'm getting sick of this. You need to learn to respect the opinions of others, you don't need to agree with them, just respect them.

You certainly do not need to resort to insults.

That goes for everyone else as well.

Seeing as this has gotten completely off topic, and the personal insults have begun, there's only one thing to do with this thread.