Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
Treetop Maximus wrote:Does it matter? It's foolish to take the haters seriously since most of them are just butthurt geewunners.
MOST OF THEM.
NOT ALL.
OptiMagnus wrote:Does Hasbro really have much control? I just thought they said. "Okay, Mike and Steve, we want a Transformers movie so we can make millions on our toys and assorted licensed merchandise. Here is some background information, TV series to watch, and some guidelines and limitations. The rest is up to you. Just make it successful. Now go."
Do they really have much more than this. I'm speaking as a huge fan of the movies, but I thought the film team itself made most of the decisions, and Hasbro just initiated the launch sequence.
If one feels the need to "blame", then blame freaking everyone that used any creativity, effort, or imagination in this thing.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
5150 Cruiser wrote: Oh, no. I'm a fan of the movies myself. Just that when those that don't like the film generaly put all the movie faults on Bay and after looking at the big picture, i don't think thats fair.
as far as hasbro's control, i don't believe thats how it went down. It couldn't have gone down that way. While yes, they are the experts on filming and such, at the end of the day, how the characters are portrayed and designs, hasbro has to aprove. I just don;t see them handing everything over to the film and production crew and entrusting them to make something good. Now as i said, i'm a fan of the movies. So if they did just hand over the relmes then i'm all good with that. But either way, you either have Hasbro to thank, or blame!
Treetop Maximus wrote:Does it matter? It's foolish to take the haters seriously since most of them are just butthurt geewunners.
MOST OF THEM.
NOT ALL.
shamone wrote:Treetop Maximus wrote:Does it matter? It's foolish to take the haters seriously since most of them are just butthurt geewunners.
MOST OF THEM.
NOT ALL.
well you have discounted yourself from any serious conversation
To blame Hasbro we need to know how much impact Hasbro had on the movies themselves. Did they have script approval, did they create personality templates to be adhered to, or did they jsut approve the physical design of the transformers.
Did they insist on all that time on human chararcters. Surely that would go against their marketing ploy, which should be more transformers time, more transformers time, less stupid semi retarded "adult" humour which will persuade parents to not bring their kids to the movies, kids, Hasbro's target market
Treetop Maximus wrote:Does it matter? It's foolish to take the haters seriously since most of them are just butthurt geewunners.
MOST OF THEM.
NOT ALL.
Treetop Maximus wrote:shamone wrote:Treetop Maximus wrote:Does it matter? It's foolish to take the haters seriously since most of them are just butthurt geewunners.
MOST OF THEM.
NOT ALL.
well you have discounted yourself from any serious conversation
To blame Hasbro we need to know how much impact Hasbro had on the movies themselves. Did they have script approval, did they create personality templates to be adhered to, or did they jsut approve the physical design of the transformers.
Did they insist on all that time on human chararcters. Surely that would go against their marketing ploy, which should be more transformers time, more transformers time, less stupid semi retarded "adult" humour which will persuade parents to not bring their kids to the movies, kids, Hasbro's target market
Atary77 wrote:I admit when I wrote my original post hating on Micheal Bay I didn't take the time to see the whole picture on things. And yes Hasbro truly is to blame and very well should be held accountable for the movies ending up the way they did. I still think Having Bay direct was a mistake and having Stephen Speilberg produce was an even bigger one. True Speilberg knows how to make movies but NOT a Transformers movie. His limited vision made these films so bloody boring and Hasbro approved of it.
To me the films were proof that hasbro as well didn't care enough about the TF fan base either. And in a sense what can we expect? They're a toy company. Thier job is to sell as many toys as they can and making sure that those we do have are easily replaced. This can also be proven with the 1980's TF flick. All that was about was breaking all our toys we already had and showing off the new ones so our parents would have to buy them.
But yeah these movies sold and in their eyes that's all that matters to them.
Course even they learned you don't murder Prime without bringing him back. So let's see if they can learn anything from how we feel about these movies... not that they care.
Atary77 wrote:If there was something in those films that Hasbro wouldn't have allowed they would've put a stop to it. Being the brand name owner. So yeah they probably weren't on set at all calling any of the shots but I'm certain they got to see these movies before anyone else have laid eyes on them.
So when they were presented with shots of Megan and Rosie's' ass, Suggestively placed wrecking balls, and that obnoxious little booger Wheelie humping Megan Fox's leg they either didn't see it or they let it slide.
You tell me what you think happened.
Atary77 wrote:I admit when I wrote my original post hating on Micheal Bay I didn't take the time to see the whole picture on things. And yes Hasbro truly is to blame and very well should be held accountable for the movies ending up the way they did. I still think Having Bay direct was a mistake and having Stephen Speilberg produce was an even bigger one. True Speilberg knows how to make movies but NOT a Transformers movie. His limited vision made these films so bloody boring and Hasbro approved of it.
To me the films were proof that hasbro as well didn't care enough about the TF fan base either. And in a sense what can we expect? They're a toy company. Thier job is to sell as many toys as they can and making sure that those we do have are easily replaced. This can also be proven with the 1980's TF flick. All that was about was breaking all our toys we already had and showing off the new ones so our parents would have to buy them.
But yeah these movies sold and in their eyes that's all that matters to them.
Course even they learned you don't murder Prime without bringing him back. So let's see if they can learn anything from how we feel about these movies... not that they care.
Screamfleet wrote:Treetop Maximus wrote:Does it matter? It's foolish to take the haters seriously since most of them are just butthurt geewunners.
MOST OF THEM.
NOT ALL.
Do you have anything to back up that claim?
5150 Cruiser wrote:I've asked this proabably a dozen times now in various threads and no one has given a response. For those that hate/dislike the live action movies, you put majority of the blame on Bay, and a small fraction on the writers, but i have yet to see anyone hold Hasbro accountable for the end results of the movies. In the end, Hasbro owns Transformers. They will be selling the toys an its there products that are being represented on screen. evertthing from character designs, to character development, it all comes donw to hasbro giving the yay, or ney. Yes, i understand that bay and others throw in their idea's, but in the end, Hasbro is the one that will either succeed, or fail in the long run as a result of the movies. When ever they decide for a reboot, i would think directing some of those coments towards hasbro and telling them how you would like to see your favorite character represented on screen would go alot further then the director.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Atary77 wrote:If there was something in those films that Hasbro wouldn't have allowed they would've put a stop to it. Being the brand name owner. So yeah they probably weren't on set at all calling any of the shots but I'm certain they got to see these movies before anyone else have laid eyes on them.
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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
For my part, Hasbro doesnt really get any blame.To tell the truth I'm not a big fan of the films, but the character designs arnt my issue.Its the bad story telling.And for that, only Bay gets the blame.
Not even the writers are at fault, because Bay ok'ed the scripts.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
Treetop Maximus wrote:Screamfleet wrote:Treetop Maximus wrote:Does it matter? It's foolish to take the haters seriously since most of them are just butthurt geewunners.
MOST OF THEM.
NOT ALL.
Do you have anything to back up that claim?
You're right. For all I know, they could ALL be butthurt geewunners. Thanks for pointing out the flaw in my claim.
Atary77 wrote:To me the films were proof that hasbro as well didn't care enough about the TF fan base either.
Treetop Maximus wrote:Atary77 wrote:So let's see if they can learn anything from how we feel about these movies... not that they care.
Yeah, I hope they learn how much I loved this series.
Treetop Maximus wrote:Does it matter? It's foolish to take the haters seriously since most of them are just butthurt geewunners.
MOST OF THEM.
NOT ALL.
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