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metalslugx1942 wrote:I will watch this movie at home, then the big screen if its worth it. I like the toylines for the most part. A little on the box office demise for a minute whom seem to think movies at the theaters are loosing steam....

(Box Office data)

Gross and ticket sales are not one and the same. You're not taking into account increased price of tickets or even comparative data or even averages. If I wanted to be a jerk I could simply post the box-office data of Titanic which came out over a decade ago and made more than all those films but it wouldn't be a fair comparison either.

Not all ticket prices are uniform around the USA, nor aroundthe world, but when you look at the numbers, of budget needed to complete, and gross numbers at the end of the life of the film in theaters you will see that it far exceed the first numbers. And that is all taken into account our current economic standings with inflation. So, in essence, is the average ticket price is 10$, and a movie makes 300 million USA wide, thats 30 million ticket sales. So seeing as how in some cases ticket sales are lower in certain states, its well possible that it could far exceed that number. My point is, the movie industry is not suffering, just bad movies are. And that statement to me was to show that piracy has not really dented anything too much, is just Hollywood wants as much as it can get.

Titanic Data
Released in US December 19, 1997
Total US Gross $600,788,188(ticket sales, not including rentals)
Production Budget $200,000,000
Prints and Advertising Budget $20,000,000
Rentals $324,425,000
Worldwide Gross $1,835,400,000
MPAA Rating PG-13 for disaster related peril and violence, nudity, sensuality and brief language
Running Time: 194 minutes
TV Rights (NBC/HBO): $55,000,000
Worldwide video and DVD sales and rentals: $1,200,000,000
2nd most total weekends at top of charts: 15 (ET: The Extra-Terrestrial holds the record with 16 weeks)
Holds record for longest run at top of charts: 15
All-Time Box Office Rank 1
Equal-fastest movie to $400m gross 66 days - equal with Spider-Man (see full chart)
Fastest movie to $500m gross 98 days (December 19th, 1997 - March 26th, 1998)
Fastest movie to $600m gross 252 days (December 19th, 1997 - August 25th, 1998)
Academy Award Winner, 1997 Best Picture
Highest Combined Star Gross 106 (see full chart)
Keywords Visual Effects, Disaster, Cross-Class Romance
Distributed by 20th Century Fox
Music Composed By James Horner
Source Based on Real Life Events
Award Best Picture Oscar
Major Genre Drama
Production Method Live Action
Creative Type Dramatization
Time Frame 1910-1920
Director James Cameron

So as you can see, Titanic was not as successful as some might have thought, and the average ticket sale then, atleast in major cities was 9.00 and the estimated nationwide prices were 4.68. This years average ticket prices believe it or not, is 6.58 nationwide according to boxofficemojo.com

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/about/adjuster.htm

I've cut down my time here a lotin the last few months. I'm guessing the film will put me over the age. I guess I just lost interest.

metalslugx1942 wrote:Not all ticket prices are uniform around the USA, nor aroundthe world, but when you look at the numbers, of budget needed to complete, and gross numbers at the end of the life of the film in theaters you will see that it far exceed the first numbers. And that is all taken into account our current economic standings with inflation. So, in essence, is the average ticket price is 10$, and a movie makes 300 million USA wide, thats 30 million ticket sales. So seeing as how in some cases ticket sales are lower in certain states, its well possible that it could far exceed that number. My point is, the movie industry is not suffering, just bad movies are. And that statement to me was to show that piracy has not really dented anything too much, is just Hollywood wants as much as it can get.

Apologies, I was typing as I went out the door. What I was trying to say was the the stats you provided alone aren't evidence of anything besides Hollywood films being a multibillion dollar industry. While you obviously meant to show that Hollywood is making increased profits, which I don't argue with, the numbers you provided alone weren't proof of that.

The theaters, on the other hand, aren't profiting as well as the production companies/distributors and it's their floundering that the MPAA blames on piracy. Ticket prices do indeed vary, not just by location but time as well (matinees, 2-for-1s, etc). But, on average, theater attendance has been steadily declining. If you want proof of that you can get a rough idea by dividing the top-grossing films of each year http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/ or yearly total (including indie/unrated films) http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/?vi ... ate&p=.htm by that year's average ticket price http://www.natoonline.org/statisticstickets.htm . It doesn't account for factors like market competition or quality of films, of course, but the decline as a whole is there either way.

Coupled with declining ticket sales the theaters themselves are allowed to keep smaller and smaller percentages of per-ticket sales so, while the number of screens has increased (in part because of theaters replacing their old cinemas with the newer, smaller, arena-type that can fit more attendees per showing) http://www.natoonline.org/statisticsscreens.htm the theater industry itself has only recently begun to stabilize as seen by the number of theaters lost over the past decade http://www.natoonline.org/statisticssites.htm . How long this small upswing will last is anyone's guess.

So, in short, while people in Hollywood continue to make money the theater industry is suffering be it whether you believe it's due to Hollywood, piracy, or their own failures.

Well, you make a very good arguement there with your post. I do see the point of alot more venues closing down, but being replaced with more seaters, and so forth. And I think we are at an in between point in both our arguements and I'm sticking with that...lol. I think that soon, they(theaters)will be gone, and more affordable home theaters will replace them as we will be able to order the films via our homes. I hope not, because I love the whole theater thing, and if one thing came out of this new TF movie, is that we have educated ourselves more about the movie industry and maybe some of our friends here, maybe even more so than they would have like to know.

Last I paid for a movie was 12.50, and that's was something, lucky me, it was a good movie. Well, I want to watch this movie early morning, because I don't like heads in front of me or a neck pain by sitting in the front, or lastly, I don't want to paid more money in the evening, bad parking, just to find out that it was all waste of time. I'll see how my luck goes, that's life.

NightFall wrote:Last I paid for a movie was 12.50, and that's was something, lucky me, it was a good movie. Well, I want to watch this movie early morning, because I don't like heads in front of me or a neck pain by sitting in the front, or lastly, I don't want to paid more money in the evening, bad parking, just to find out that it was all waste of time. I'll see how my luck goes, that's life.

12.50 for one ticket!?

Phategod1 wrote:

NightFall wrote:Last I paid for a movie was 12.50, and that's was something, lucky me, it was a good movie. Well, I want to watch this movie early morning, because I don't like heads in front of me or a neck pain by sitting in the front, or lastly, I don't want to paid more money in the evening, bad parking, just to find out that it was all waste of time. I'll see how my luck goes, that's life.

12.50 for one ticket!?

Yeah, really. Matinees are your friend. Especially early Sunday when it's typically quiet.

I've always had an overall positive outlook on this movie. The new toys, the possibilities of my favorite franchise hitting the big-time. I've enjoyed just about every part of it outside of the early Megatron redesign pics from last year. I mean, c'mon, who wouldn't want an Optimus Prime transforming pillow?

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Leonardo wrote:

Riotflea wrote:I mean, people who like to act all condescending towards movie downloaders (Hi, Ironhidensh!) are missing the MAJOR fact that going to see a movie... you're not even seeing the whole movie anymore.

While I see what you're saying, I just wanted to pick up on this one sentence. Audiences never saw an entire film; there's always been footage (nearly 80%, apparently) left on the cutting room floor! Audiences have consistently missed out on extra footage; the extra features on DVD's are just that: extra. They're bonuses.

There is also a reason that footage gets cut, most of it is rubbish. It either doesnt work visually, doesnt really fit the continuity of the story or slows down the pace of the movie too much. It only when directors are given strict guidelines on how long their movie can be that the good stuff gets cut. However it is nice to get that material as part of a DVD just so you can make you own mind about whether it should have been in the movie or not.

Yours AK

Actually, in my Lord of the Rings DVD's, which have over half hour each of extra footage, the extra footage should have been left in the orginal cut, since it either explained stuff, or made the film better to watch.

Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Leonardo wrote:

Riotflea wrote:I mean, people who like to act all condescending towards movie downloaders (Hi, Ironhidensh!) are missing the MAJOR fact that going to see a movie... you're not even seeing the whole movie anymore.

While I see what you're saying, I just wanted to pick up on this one sentence. Audiences never saw an entire film; there's always been footage (nearly 80%, apparently) left on the cutting room floor! Audiences have consistently missed out on extra footage; the extra features on DVD's are just that: extra. They're bonuses.

There is also a reason that footage gets cut, most of it is rubbish. It either doesnt work visually, doesnt really fit the continuity of the story or slows down the pace of the movie too much. It only when directors are given strict guidelines on how long their movie can be that the good stuff gets cut. However it is nice to get that material as part of a DVD just so you can make you own mind about whether it should have been in the movie or not.

Yours AK

Actually, in my Lord of the Rings DVD's, which have over half hour each of extra footage, the extra footage should have been left in the orginal cut, since it either explained stuff, or made the film better to watch.

Indeed but thats your opinion, a lot of people complained that at 3 hours plus the LOTR movies were way too long. Imaging how long each would have been if they include all that footage! Most average movie goers would have been turned off by having to sit there for 3-4 hours.

Yours AK

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Leonardo wrote:

Riotflea wrote:I mean, people who like to act all condescending towards movie downloaders (Hi, Ironhidensh!) are missing the MAJOR fact that going to see a movie... you're not even seeing the whole movie anymore.

While I see what you're saying, I just wanted to pick up on this one sentence. Audiences never saw an entire film; there's always been footage (nearly 80%, apparently) left on the cutting room floor! Audiences have consistently missed out on extra footage; the extra features on DVD's are just that: extra. They're bonuses.

There is also a reason that footage gets cut, most of it is rubbish. It either doesnt work visually, doesnt really fit the continuity of the story or slows down the pace of the movie too much. It only when directors are given strict guidelines on how long their movie can be that the good stuff gets cut. However it is nice to get that material as part of a DVD just so you can make you own mind about whether it should have been in the movie or not.

Yours AK

Actually, in my Lord of the Rings DVD's, which have over half hour each of extra footage, the extra footage should have been left in the orginal cut, since it either explained stuff, or made the film better to watch.

Indeed but thats your opinion, a lot of people complained that at 3 hours plus the LOTR movies were way too long. Imaging how long each would have been if they include all that footage! Most average movie goers would have been turned off by having to sit there for 3-4 hours.

Yours AK

I would've been put off, I think.

One thing I like about the movie is that there are no "clones" or "repaint" characters. As much as I would've liked to have seen Thundercracker and Skywarp, I can't imagine watching three of the same robot on screen. For my liking they would've had to give each different alt.modes, but not including them at all works just as well.

Heavens, that was a garbled paragraph.

um... positive......hmm.... maybe this crapfest film will cause a backlash against the movie style and get Classics restarted as dozens of TF fans see their childhoods figuratively get rear-ended with a broom handle on screen on July 4th... No, not bitter at all.

Scaleface wrote:um... positive......hmm.... maybe this crapfest film will cause a backlash against the movie style and get Classics restarted as dozens of TF fans see their childhoods figuratively get rear-ended with a broom handle on screen on July 4th... No, not bitter at all.

Actualy I'd like to see this movie and the toy line die on it's ass, and the Transformers brand to take a massive nose dive forcing Hasbro(and Takara) to get off their asses and do something inovative and intelligent with the line to save it. Rather than relying on G1 nostalgia as a back up plan as they have for the last 5+ years. to paraphrase good friend of mine, Through desperation and adversity comes ingenuity, though complatency things become stagnated and apathetic. Case in point: crummy sales led to the renaissance of Transformers via Beast Wars.

Yours AK

Alex Kingdom wrote: to paraphrase good friend of mine, Through desperation and adversity comes ingenuity, though complatency things become stagnated and apathetic.

Ugh, "that" guy. Whatever happened to him?

I love the designs bays samrt G1 is GAY i mean there are like 500 autobot and decepticon who all sound like old hicks with a bad accent. I never did and never will like g1 but as for the movie its new to transformers and i hope it changes it for good! LOL this was so fun to type!

HitsugiKun wrote:I love the designs bays samrt G1 is GAY i mean there are like 500 autobot and decepticon who all sound like old hicks with a bad accent. I never did and never will like g1 but as for the movie its new to transformers and i hope it changes it for good! LOL this was so fun to type!

SHUT UP! G1 is what inspired this F*****g movie, so shut your mouth and keep it closed to comments like that. You didn't even have a reason to post in this topic. And no, Bay is a dumbass for pissing all over 23 years of history to make a generic monster movie to make a quick, F*****g, buck. As long as you bash G1, I bash your head in with comments like these.

HitsugiKun wrote:I love the designs bays samrt G1 is GAY i mean there are like 500 autobot and decepticon who all sound like old hicks with a bad accent. I never did and never will like g1 but as for the movie its new to transformers and i hope it changes it for good! LOL this was so fun to type!

Is there something wrong with being gay?

Leonardo wrote:

HitsugiKun wrote:I love the designs bays samrt G1 is GAY i mean there are like 500 autobot and decepticon who all sound like old hicks with a bad accent. I never did and never will like g1 but as for the movie its new to transformers and i hope it changes it for good! LOL this was so fun to type!

Is there something wrong with being gay?

I could name a few things.

Mmmmmm i'm trying really hard to think of something positive to say about bayformers... Nope, I still got nothing.

Bluebullet wrote:

HitsugiKun wrote:I love the designs bays samrt G1 is GAY i mean there are like 500 autobot and decepticon who all sound like old hicks with a bad accent. I never did and never will like g1 but as for the movie its new to transformers and i hope it changes it for good! LOL this was so fun to type!

SHUT UP! G1 is what inspired this F*****g movie, so shut your mouth and keep it closed to comments like that. You didn't even have a reason to post in this topic. And no, Bay is a dumbass for pissing all over 23 years of history to make a generic monster movie to make a quick, F*****g, buck. As long as you bash G1, I bash your head in with comments like these.

i love tfs and always will, but **** like these two comments is almost enough to make me ashamed to admit it, for fear of being associated with such garbage. is it really too much to ask for people to lay off the incessant baiting and insults and just state their opinions civilly?

well, yeah, probably, but it feels good to ask.

Faceful of Kitchen wrote:

Bluebullet wrote:

HitsugiKun wrote:I love the designs bays samrt G1 is GAY i mean there are like 500 autobot and decepticon who all sound like old hicks with a bad accent. I never did and never will like g1 but as for the movie its new to transformers and i hope it changes it for good! LOL this was so fun to type!

SHUT UP! G1 is what inspired this F*****g movie, so shut your mouth and keep it closed to comments like that. You didn't even have a reason to post in this topic. And no, Bay is a dumbass for pissing all over 23 years of history to make a generic monster movie to make a quick, F*****g, buck. As long as you bash G1, I bash your head in with comments like these.

i love tfs and always will, but **** like these two comments is almost enough to make me ashamed to admit it, for fear of being associated with such garbage. is it really too much to ask for people to lay off the incessant baiting and insults and just state their opinions civilly?

well, yeah, probably, but it feels good to ask.

Garbage???????? i didnt grow up with g1 i tried watching the first episode hated it you guys have you opinions i have myn.All youve seen are leaked pics you havent even seen the movie and your making desicions wtf keep with it till you see it.....

i never said you were wrong to have such an opinion.* but there are ways to express that opinion other than "OMG G1 IS TEH GAY." that's just begging for a flame war.


*on a side note, i do suggest you check out some of the other aspects of g1 rather than rushing to label the entire period junk based solely on one episode of the show. many fans, myself included, consider the marvel comics, especially the later issues and the uk exclusives, to be vastly superior to the cartoon. and some of the g1 toys are pretty cool, if a bit primitive by today's standards.

look down it mess up

Faceful of Kitchen wrote:i never said you were wrong to have such an opinion.* but there are ways to express that opinion other than "OMG G1 IS TEH GAY." that's just begging for a flame war.


*on a side note, i do suggest you check out some of the other aspects of g1 rather than rushing to label the entire period junk based solely on one episode of the show. many fans, myself included, consider the marvel comics, especially the later issues and the uk exclusives, to be vastly superior to the cartoon. and some of the g1 toys are pretty cool, if a bit primitive by today's standards.

I dissagree with to toys had barely any poseableity and i just wrote that to see how many people i could piss of my friends told me to and know they cant stop luaghing. Sill i have some good knowledge of g1 and i dont like it. im more of a demonic robot anime loving person. Still there are some things good about g1 i think you need to listen to your post and every one else should you need to wait to see it before making a decison you cant base it on somthing you havent saw move breath talk transform and fight so you shouldnt judge but g1 is already out and i have watched 20 episodes and the movie the only thing i like is the kick ass soundwave.

Faceful of Kitchen wrote:

Bluebullet wrote:

HitsugiKun wrote:I love the designs bays samrt G1 is GAY i mean there are like 500 autobot and decepticon who all sound like old hicks with a bad accent. I never did and never will like g1 but as for the movie its new to transformers and i hope it changes it for good! LOL this was so fun to type!

SHUT UP! G1 is what inspired this F*****g movie, so shut your mouth and keep it closed to comments like that. You didn't even have a reason to post in this topic. And no, Bay is a dumbass for pissing all over 23 years of history to make a generic monster movie to make a quick, F*****g, buck. As long as you bash G1, I bash your head in with comments like these.

i love tfs and always will, but **** like these two comments is almost enough to make me ashamed to admit it, for fear of being associated with such garbage. is it really too much to ask for people to lay off the incessant baiting and insults and just state their opinions civilly?

well, yeah, probably, but it feels good to ask.

to Faceful of Kitchen. I'll go on the iMDB boards when I feel in the mood for that kind of talk. A little word to the wise for Bluebullet and HitsugiKun; I don't know how things are run on other forums you may post at, but the staff here has very little tolerance for that kind of posting. If any of the mods catch this, they'll probably just let you go with a warning PM or somthing, seeing as you're both relatively new, but just for future reference......