A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors
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We are here to explain what is happening. Fans have been very confused at the sight of 2 completely different Rise of the Beasts deluxe class Airazor toys which look as complex (for a standard deluxe). So here is a breakdown with info coming from insiders and people with access to distributor info.
This whole confusion is a result of the movie being delayed. The big difference isn't the complexity, it's the sculpt and detail. The initial Airazor we saw is part of the Rise of the Beasts mainline that was supposed to be out months ago. That line mirrors the Earthspark and Cyberverse lines where the entire line is aimed at kids but there are deluxes which may interest fans as well due to their more standard complexity. Since these were worked on early, all toys in that line are based on early movie designs so that they could be sold in stores in summer of 2022 for kids and parents to buy, along with the 2022 holiday season. Also, it would be a unified class so all bots would be relatively the same size, and there would just be deluxes, no voyagers or leaders. That is the line the initial Airazor is from. Below is an image along with the listing for that Airazor and the other characters in the deluxe class of that ROTB movie line (Core Boy means the toys are aimed at 8 year old boys).
Tra Mv7 Core Boy Deluxe Class Ast with the EAN: 5010993983308
Deluxe Bumblebee (Codename: George)
Deluxe Mirage (Codename: Pluto)
Deluxe Wheeljack (Codename: Barcelona)
Deluxe Airazor (Codename: Titan)
Deluxe Nightbird (Codename: Outlaw)
The Studio Series one first shown just a few hours ago is from the 2023 Studio Series line that was always going to come out in 2023, so one year after the film. And with that extra time, the idea is that Hasbro would have had more updated designs to work with, hence the differences in design.
But since the film was delayed, the toys that should have already been out will now come out at the same time as the toys that were always meant to come later. Hence why we get 2 deluxe Airazors at once, both seemingly as complex, transformation wise, but different in design.
Below are some of the Studio Series Rise of the Beasts figures we know are coming in 2023 along with Airazor.
TRA Gen Studio Series DLX TF7 Bumblebee (Codename: George)
TRA Gen Studio Series DLX TF7 Airazor (Codename: Titan)
Tra Gen Studio series Dlx TF7 Mirage (Codename: Pluto)
Tra Gen Studio Series DLX TF7 Wheeljack (Codename: Barcelona)
Tra Gen Studio series Dlx TF7 Nightbird (Codename Outlaw)
TRA Gen Studio Series VOY TF7 Cheetor (Codename: Butch)
TRA Gen Studio Series VOY TF7 Battletrap (Codename: Appolo)
Tra Gen Studio series Voy TF7 Rhinox (Codename: Warrior)
So that means what we are seeing with Airazor will also happen with Bumblebee, Wheeljack, Nightbird and Mirage. 2 deluxe toys, both similar in complexity, but with different designs. We don't know if Hasbro will try avoiding to have them on the shelves at the same time or not.
Hopefully that cleared things up for some people.
This whole confusion is a result of the movie being delayed. The big difference isn't the complexity, it's the sculpt and detail. The initial Airazor we saw is part of the Rise of the Beasts mainline that was supposed to be out months ago. That line mirrors the Earthspark and Cyberverse lines where the entire line is aimed at kids but there are deluxes which may interest fans as well due to their more standard complexity. Since these were worked on early, all toys in that line are based on early movie designs so that they could be sold in stores in summer of 2022 for kids and parents to buy, along with the 2022 holiday season. Also, it would be a unified class so all bots would be relatively the same size, and there would just be deluxes, no voyagers or leaders. That is the line the initial Airazor is from. Below is an image along with the listing for that Airazor and the other characters in the deluxe class of that ROTB movie line (Core Boy means the toys are aimed at 8 year old boys).
Tra Mv7 Core Boy Deluxe Class Ast with the EAN: 5010993983308
Deluxe Bumblebee (Codename: George)
Deluxe Mirage (Codename: Pluto)
Deluxe Wheeljack (Codename: Barcelona)
Deluxe Airazor (Codename: Titan)
Deluxe Nightbird (Codename: Outlaw)
The Studio Series one first shown just a few hours ago is from the 2023 Studio Series line that was always going to come out in 2023, so one year after the film. And with that extra time, the idea is that Hasbro would have had more updated designs to work with, hence the differences in design.
But since the film was delayed, the toys that should have already been out will now come out at the same time as the toys that were always meant to come later. Hence why we get 2 deluxe Airazors at once, both seemingly as complex, transformation wise, but different in design.
Below are some of the Studio Series Rise of the Beasts figures we know are coming in 2023 along with Airazor.
TRA Gen Studio Series DLX TF7 Bumblebee (Codename: George)
TRA Gen Studio Series DLX TF7 Airazor (Codename: Titan)
Tra Gen Studio series Dlx TF7 Mirage (Codename: Pluto)
Tra Gen Studio Series DLX TF7 Wheeljack (Codename: Barcelona)
Tra Gen Studio series Dlx TF7 Nightbird (Codename Outlaw)
TRA Gen Studio Series VOY TF7 Cheetor (Codename: Butch)
TRA Gen Studio Series VOY TF7 Battletrap (Codename: Appolo)
Tra Gen Studio series Voy TF7 Rhinox (Codename: Warrior)
So that means what we are seeing with Airazor will also happen with Bumblebee, Wheeljack, Nightbird and Mirage. 2 deluxe toys, both similar in complexity, but with different designs. We don't know if Hasbro will try avoiding to have them on the shelves at the same time or not.
Hopefully that cleared things up for some people.
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Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149791)
Posted by blackeyedprime on November 23rd, 2022 @ 12:58am CST
Posted by blackeyedprime on November 23rd, 2022 @ 12:58am CST
Orange truck looks great, maybe a bit too square/angular in vehicle mode but a definite buy for me. Also liking the head, the move away from the live action hideousnous is good. Kinda reminds me of armada red alert.
Air razor is confusing and the head is five steps backwards. Bird mode looks a little bit less cyber but I think the first wins out. If it has cyber parts might as well embrace them. I might prefer bot mode on this one but the other one saves me from head swapping.
Air razor is confusing and the head is five steps backwards. Bird mode looks a little bit less cyber but I think the first wins out. If it has cyber parts might as well embrace them. I might prefer bot mode on this one but the other one saves me from head swapping.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149794)
Posted by X3ROhour on November 23rd, 2022 @ 1:46am CST
Posted by X3ROhour on November 23rd, 2022 @ 1:46am CST
WOOOOOW!
ROTB BATTLETRAP...
hmm... a movie figure that I don't immediately hate!
Fascinating.
I haven't seen any movie fig put a smile on my face since - IDK - ummmmm... Dropkick's helicopter figure?
It looks like maybe we are moving towards bots that don't look like they forgot to put on their outer chassis when they ran out of the house late for work!
Usually Baybots tend to look like Robot chickens or bugs or a bunch of wires and knives that young Anikin Skywalker forgot to ask his mom to get coverings for.
I might actually lift my self-imposed ban on movie-bots, if we continue with this trend!
Airazor, on the other hand, looks like @#$%!!!
Kidding!
She looks even better than the previous one.
We shall see.
ROTB BATTLETRAP...
hmm... a movie figure that I don't immediately hate!
Fascinating.
I haven't seen any movie fig put a smile on my face since - IDK - ummmmm... Dropkick's helicopter figure?
It looks like maybe we are moving towards bots that don't look like they forgot to put on their outer chassis when they ran out of the house late for work!
Usually Baybots tend to look like Robot chickens or bugs or a bunch of wires and knives that young Anikin Skywalker forgot to ask his mom to get coverings for.
I might actually lift my self-imposed ban on movie-bots, if we continue with this trend!
Airazor, on the other hand, looks like @#$%!!!
Kidding!
She looks even better than the previous one.
We shall see.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149795)
Posted by JazZeke on November 23rd, 2022 @ 2:00am CST
Posted by JazZeke on November 23rd, 2022 @ 2:00am CST
I might just pick up the mainline version. The SS toy looks like it transforms the same as Kingdom/BW Airazor, and I'm feeling like we've been there and done that for an already simple transformation. I really like the look of the mainline's transformation, with the legs becoming the wings similar to my favorite toy out of the entire Unicron Trilogy, Divebomb.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149796)
Posted by SpaceEagle on November 23rd, 2022 @ 2:37am CST
Posted by SpaceEagle on November 23rd, 2022 @ 2:37am CST
Battletrap looks absolutely amazing. Gonna be nice getting him and putting him with the rest of the Movie 'Cons. He'll fit right in with the other car 'Cons.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149797)
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 23rd, 2022 @ 3:14am CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 23rd, 2022 @ 3:14am CST
It'll be interesting to see which one will be more screen accurate, in theory it should be the Studio Series one but they may have tweaked the cgi models even further with the delay.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149805)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 23rd, 2022 @ 6:23am CST
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 23rd, 2022 @ 6:23am CST
Can we just talk about how the mainline airazor would be a perfect starting point for a really good terrorsaur figure?
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149806)
Posted by Dr. Caelus on November 23rd, 2022 @ 6:26am CST
Posted by Dr. Caelus on November 23rd, 2022 @ 6:26am CST
I really want both of these molds in my collection but I don't need three Airazors. Hopefully these get recolors or slight retools into other characters at some point.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149807)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 23rd, 2022 @ 6:42am CST
That's just the head, like for Legacy Bulkhead.
I mean not only bug-faces, but chicken legs, multiple arms, overkill of mechanical details, truly ALIEN designs.
This Battletrap looks too "normal" to be "truly Bayverse".
Stiiiiiiiiiil, he's pretty damn awesome and it will be one of the rare movie toy that I'll pre-order.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 23rd, 2022 @ 6:42am CST
william-james88 wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:These "movie" bots looks like Generations toys.
I like them, but call me weird but I kinda miss the alien designs of the first 3 movies.
Well it definitely doesnt help that this movie airazor is absed on a generations toy. But Battletrap looks as Bayverse as can be. There's the shot of him next to Bayverse Hot Rod and they look like they come from the same film. Granted, Hot Rod is a design post the initial trilogy, but still Bayverse.
That's just the head, like for Legacy Bulkhead.
I mean not only bug-faces, but chicken legs, multiple arms, overkill of mechanical details, truly ALIEN designs.
This Battletrap looks too "normal" to be "truly Bayverse".
Stiiiiiiiiiil, he's pretty damn awesome and it will be one of the rare movie toy that I'll pre-order.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149808)
Posted by Dr. Caelus on November 23rd, 2022 @ 7:06am CST
I don't know, the Bumblebee movie designs were hewing pretty close to pre-Bay - even the Decepticons, who traditionally had the more xenomorph-esque designs.
Posted by Dr. Caelus on November 23rd, 2022 @ 7:06am CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:I mean not only bug-faces, but chicken legs, multiple arms, overkill of mechanical details, truly ALIEN designs.
This Battletrap looks too "normal" to be "truly Bayverse".
I don't know, the Bumblebee movie designs were hewing pretty close to pre-Bay - even the Decepticons, who traditionally had the more xenomorph-esque designs.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149815)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on November 23rd, 2022 @ 9:17am CST
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on November 23rd, 2022 @ 9:17am CST
Wow wow wow wow wow!
Battletrap looks REALLY good. They got the beef of the alt mode, which is a truck mode that I am particularly attached to from my family history. And that robot mode is incredible. It's a great mix of standard Transformers and Bayverse, complete with a wonderful movie head. And the colors look great on him. and a wrecking ball weapon! I have absolutely zero bad things to say.
I don't really care about the Airazor conundrum, both look good to me for different reasons, and both will end up on my movie shelves.
Battletrap looks REALLY good. They got the beef of the alt mode, which is a truck mode that I am particularly attached to from my family history. And that robot mode is incredible. It's a great mix of standard Transformers and Bayverse, complete with a wonderful movie head. And the colors look great on him. and a wrecking ball weapon! I have absolutely zero bad things to say.
I don't really care about the Airazor conundrum, both look good to me for different reasons, and both will end up on my movie shelves.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149818)
Posted by First-Aid on November 23rd, 2022 @ 9:24am CST
The Bee movie was the "happy medium", I feel, between the truly alien Bay designs (which make sense because, y'know, alien robots who don't necessarily have a "human" perspective, just the mechanical efficiency perspective). More G1 blocky feel but still streamlined.
Posted by First-Aid on November 23rd, 2022 @ 9:24am CST
Dr. Caelus wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:I mean not only bug-faces, but chicken legs, multiple arms, overkill of mechanical details, truly ALIEN designs.
This Battletrap looks too "normal" to be "truly Bayverse".
I don't know, the Bumblebee movie designs were hewing pretty close to pre-Bay - even the Decepticons, who traditionally had the more xenomorph-esque designs.
The Bee movie was the "happy medium", I feel, between the truly alien Bay designs (which make sense because, y'know, alien robots who don't necessarily have a "human" perspective, just the mechanical efficiency perspective). More G1 blocky feel but still streamlined.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149819)
Posted by william-james88 on November 23rd, 2022 @ 9:47am CST
I get that, but the designs changed within Bay's time as well, during the previous soft reboot that happened with AOE where Optimus' design change drastically. This goes more with those, like Drift, Crosshairs, Hound, Hot Rod, the new Barricade, ect. Still Bayverse but from a different period.
Posted by william-james88 on November 23rd, 2022 @ 9:47am CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:
This Battletrap looks too "normal" to be "truly Bayverse".
Stiiiiiiiiiil, he's pretty damn awesome and it will be one of the rare movie toy that I'll pre-order.
I get that, but the designs changed within Bay's time as well, during the previous soft reboot that happened with AOE where Optimus' design change drastically. This goes more with those, like Drift, Crosshairs, Hound, Hot Rod, the new Barricade, ect. Still Bayverse but from a different period.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149828)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 23rd, 2022 @ 10:20am CST
Well, I wish they would go crazy with the designs again.
A fully CGI series based on the home planet of the ROTB beastformers would allow that.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 23rd, 2022 @ 10:20am CST
william-james88 wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:
This Battletrap looks too "normal" to be "truly Bayverse".
Stiiiiiiiiiil, he's pretty damn awesome and it will be one of the rare movie toy that I'll pre-order.
I get that, but the designs changed within Bay's time as well, during the previous soft reboot that happened with AOE where Optimus' design change drastically. This goes more with those, like Drift, Crosshairs, Hound, Hot Rod, the new Barricade, ect. Still Bayverse but from a different period.
Well, I wish they would go crazy with the designs again.
A fully CGI series based on the home planet of the ROTB beastformers would allow that.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149829)
Posted by First-Aid on November 23rd, 2022 @ 10:25am CST
That won't work. It's too original and not G1 enough.
That was sarcasm.
Posted by First-Aid on November 23rd, 2022 @ 10:25am CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:william-james88 wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:
This Battletrap looks too "normal" to be "truly Bayverse".
Stiiiiiiiiiil, he's pretty damn awesome and it will be one of the rare movie toy that I'll pre-order.
I get that, but the designs changed within Bay's time as well, during the previous soft reboot that happened with AOE where Optimus' design change drastically. This goes more with those, like Drift, Crosshairs, Hound, Hot Rod, the new Barricade, ect. Still Bayverse but from a different period.
Well, I wish they would go crazy with the designs again.
A fully CGI series based on the home planet of the ROTB beastformers would allow that.
That won't work. It's too original and not G1 enough.
That was sarcasm.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149830)
Posted by william-james88 on November 23rd, 2022 @ 10:44am CST
Posted by william-james88 on November 23rd, 2022 @ 10:44am CST
With our first look, yesterday, at two Studio Series toys coming out in 2023, I thought it would be a good time to consolidate all the listings we got to give you a full view of what is coming out next year in that line. It will be a mix of toys for characters from the Rise of the Beasts movie (labelled as TF7 in toy listings, two of which are still code names), War for Cybertron High Moon Game, 86 Movie Michael Bay films (of which there is only one so far). We do not know the full wave breakdown and that will always be subject to change, but below you will find the full list organized by price point. This does not include exclusive Studio Series toys like the upcoming Hatchet.
Core Class:
Tra Gen Studio series Core TF3 Bumblebee
Tra Gen Studio series 86 core Frenzy
Tra Gen Studio series 86 core Ironhide
Tra Gen studio series core TF7 code name Delta2
Tra Gen Studio series Core TF7 code name Hydra
Deluxe Class:
TRA Gen Studio Series DLX TF7 Bumblebee (Codename: George)
TRA Gen Studio Series DLX TF7 Airazor (Codename: Titan)
Tra Gen Studio series Dlx TF7 Mirage (Codename: Pluto)
Tra Gen Studio Series DLX TF7 Wheeljack (Codename: Barcelona)
Tra Gen Studio series Dlx TF7 Nightbird (Codename: Outlaw)
Tra Gen Studio series Dlx WFC Barricade
Tra Gen studio series Dlx WFC Bumblebee
Tra Gen studio series Dlx WFC Cliffjumper
Tra Gen Studio series 86 Dlx Brawn
Voyager Class:
TRA Gen Studio Series VOY TF7 Cheetor (Codename: Butch)
TRA Gen Studio Series VOY TF7 Battletrap (Codename: Appolo)
Tra Gen Studio series Voy TF7 Rhinox (Codename: Warrior)
Tra Gen Studio series Voy WFC Megatron
Tra Gen Studio series VOY WFC Optimus Prime
Tra Gen Studio series 86 voyager Ratchet
Leader Class:
Tra Gen Studio Series Leader TF7 Optimus Primal (Codename: Cyclops)
Tra Gen Studio Series Leader TF7 Scourge (Codename: Oscar)
Tra Gen Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl
Core Class:
Tra Gen Studio series Core TF3 Bumblebee
Tra Gen Studio series 86 core Frenzy
Tra Gen Studio series 86 core Ironhide
Tra Gen studio series core TF7 code name Delta2
Tra Gen Studio series Core TF7 code name Hydra
Deluxe Class:
TRA Gen Studio Series DLX TF7 Bumblebee (Codename: George)
TRA Gen Studio Series DLX TF7 Airazor (Codename: Titan)
Tra Gen Studio series Dlx TF7 Mirage (Codename: Pluto)
Tra Gen Studio Series DLX TF7 Wheeljack (Codename: Barcelona)
Tra Gen Studio series Dlx TF7 Nightbird (Codename: Outlaw)
Tra Gen Studio series Dlx WFC Barricade
Tra Gen studio series Dlx WFC Bumblebee
Tra Gen studio series Dlx WFC Cliffjumper
Tra Gen Studio series 86 Dlx Brawn
Voyager Class:
TRA Gen Studio Series VOY TF7 Cheetor (Codename: Butch)
TRA Gen Studio Series VOY TF7 Battletrap (Codename: Appolo)
Tra Gen Studio series Voy TF7 Rhinox (Codename: Warrior)
Tra Gen Studio series Voy WFC Megatron
Tra Gen Studio series VOY WFC Optimus Prime
Tra Gen Studio series 86 voyager Ratchet
Leader Class:
Tra Gen Studio Series Leader TF7 Optimus Primal (Codename: Cyclops)
Tra Gen Studio Series Leader TF7 Scourge (Codename: Oscar)
Tra Gen Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149831)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 23rd, 2022 @ 11:11am CST
I didn't realise the Studio Series High Moon figures were appearing so soon?
Suddenly thinking ahead to (maybe) SS Metroplex and Bruticus??
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 23rd, 2022 @ 11:11am CST
william-james88 wrote:Tra Gen Studio series Dlx WFC Barricade
Tra Gen studio series Dlx WFC Bumblebee
Tra Gen studio series Dlx WFC Cliffjumper
Tra Gen Studio series Voy WFC Megatron
Tra Gen Studio series VOY WFC Optimus Prime
Tra Gen Studio series 86 voyager Ratchet
I didn't realise the Studio Series High Moon figures were appearing so soon?
Suddenly thinking ahead to (maybe) SS Metroplex and Bruticus??
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149833)
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 23rd, 2022 @ 11:36am CST
I have a feeling you'll be waiting a bit longer for those two.
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 23rd, 2022 @ 11:36am CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:william-james88 wrote:Tra Gen Studio series Dlx WFC Barricade
Tra Gen studio series Dlx WFC Bumblebee
Tra Gen studio series Dlx WFC Cliffjumper
Tra Gen Studio series Voy WFC Megatron
Tra Gen Studio series VOY WFC Optimus Prime
Tra Gen Studio series 86 voyager Ratchet
I didn't realise the Studio Series High Moon figures were appearing so soon?
Suddenly thinking ahead to (maybe) SS Metroplex and Bruticus??
I have a feeling you'll be waiting a bit longer for those two.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149834)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 23rd, 2022 @ 11:45am CST
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 23rd, 2022 @ 11:45am CST
True. But for those people asking for a new/redux Metroplex. I'd say it would likely be this one.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149835)
Posted by william-james88 on November 23rd, 2022 @ 12:13pm CST
That's doesnt make sense to me since the previous Metroplex was the one from WFC. We'd get a more g1 accurate Metroplex before revisiting a WFC Metroplex.
Posted by william-james88 on November 23rd, 2022 @ 12:13pm CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:True. But for those people asking for a new/redux Metroplex. I'd say it would likely be this one.
That's doesnt make sense to me since the previous Metroplex was the one from WFC. We'd get a more g1 accurate Metroplex before revisiting a WFC Metroplex.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149836)
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 23rd, 2022 @ 12:26pm CST
This is my thinking, and I'm surprised Warden left before he got a crack at it. As it is, i can't see them doing Metroplex till 2025? Gives them a couple of years removed from Cybertron Metroplex.
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 23rd, 2022 @ 12:26pm CST
william-james88 wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:True. But for those people asking for a new/redux Metroplex. I'd say it would likely be this one.
That's doesnt make sense to me since the previous Metroplex was the one from WFC. We'd get a more g1 accurate Metroplex before revisiting a WFC Metroplex.
This is my thinking, and I'm surprised Warden left before he got a crack at it. As it is, i can't see them doing Metroplex till 2025? Gives them a couple of years removed from Cybertron Metroplex.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149838)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 23rd, 2022 @ 12:48pm CST
Comparing the two, the WFC one just looks like an update to the original design. So I'd assume any new Metroplex would work from the WFC model and fix it's problems IE the teeny, tiny waist.
I don't imagine there would be a need to revisit the "G1" look, in lieu of the WFC one. Outside of a Selects-style redeco?
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 23rd, 2022 @ 12:48pm CST
ZeroWolf wrote:william-james88 wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:True. But for those people asking for a new/redux Metroplex. I'd say it would likely be this one.
That's doesnt make sense to me since the previous Metroplex was the one from WFC. We'd get a more g1 accurate Metroplex before revisiting a WFC Metroplex.
This is my thinking, and I'm surprised Warden left before he got a crack at it. As it is, i can't see them doing Metroplex till 2025? Gives them a couple of years removed from Cybertron Metroplex.
Comparing the two, the WFC one just looks like an update to the original design. So I'd assume any new Metroplex would work from the WFC model and fix it's problems IE the teeny, tiny waist.
I don't imagine there would be a need to revisit the "G1" look, in lieu of the WFC one. Outside of a Selects-style redeco?
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149839)
Posted by JazZeke on November 23rd, 2022 @ 12:57pm CST
I'm surprised they're going with Snarl before Swoop.
Posted by JazZeke on November 23rd, 2022 @ 12:57pm CST
william-james88 wrote:Tra Gen Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl
I'm surprised they're going with Snarl before Swoop.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149842)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 23rd, 2022 @ 1:14pm CST
Is Swoop going to be Leader Class? If not, that might explain him being last??
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 23rd, 2022 @ 1:14pm CST
JazZeke wrote:william-james88 wrote:Tra Gen Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl
I'm surprised they're going with Snarl before Swoop.
Is Swoop going to be Leader Class? If not, that might explain him being last??
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149844)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on November 23rd, 2022 @ 1:21pm CST
I'm largely removed from collecting Bayverse figures in general, and I have low expectations for the new movie, so unless some of these are visually stunning and the engineering is next level, I'll probably just stick with Frenzy and Snarl. Maybe Brawn. I would like to see Springer get released in SS86. Just the cleaned up version of the Siege figure.
I still think Devastator should be done in SS86, either as single releases or a set, or both like RoTF Devy was. Or just reissue CW Devy in SS86 packaging.
Optimus and Megatron should still be coming. But I guess there's a near bottomless goldmine in the potential new figures from the game designs.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on November 23rd, 2022 @ 1:21pm CST
Isn't Swoop rumored to be a voyager? Maybe they want to get the leaders out of the way?JazZeke wrote:william-james88 wrote:Tra Gen Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl
I'm surprised they're going with Snarl before Swoop.
I'm largely removed from collecting Bayverse figures in general, and I have low expectations for the new movie, so unless some of these are visually stunning and the engineering is next level, I'll probably just stick with Frenzy and Snarl. Maybe Brawn. I would like to see Springer get released in SS86. Just the cleaned up version of the Siege figure.
I still think Devastator should be done in SS86, either as single releases or a set, or both like RoTF Devy was. Or just reissue CW Devy in SS86 packaging.
Optimus and Megatron should still be coming. But I guess there's a near bottomless goldmine in the potential new figures from the game designs.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149845)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 23rd, 2022 @ 1:27pm CST
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 23rd, 2022 @ 1:27pm CST
How far would they go with game designs? WFC Springer, Broadside and the other concept designs that didn't make it into the series? Or just the base roster?
There is also the PS2 Transformers game, based loosely on Armada. That could bring a select number of UT figures some modern updates.
There is also the PS2 Transformers game, based loosely on Armada. That could bring a select number of UT figures some modern updates.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149847)
Posted by blackeyedprime on November 23rd, 2022 @ 1:30pm CST
Posted by blackeyedprime on November 23rd, 2022 @ 1:30pm CST
Pretty sure swoop was confirmed as leader, he might have a small bit of plastic with him like grimlock or starscream did to look worthy of the pricing.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149848)
Posted by Omegatron. on November 23rd, 2022 @ 1:44pm CST
Posted by Omegatron. on November 23rd, 2022 @ 1:44pm CST
Remind me, where was it confirmed that WFC meant High Moon rather than Netflix?
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149849)
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 23rd, 2022 @ 1:46pm CST
Swoop has been rumoured to have been both at one point. I think he'll be leader on account of the plastic needed for the wings.
Regarding Metroplex, it was said that Warden wanted a more G1 take on ole plex (read not stretched out just to gain a title that he held for 2 years just to give to Fortress...who then lost it to Unicron). I'd imagine the intent would be to have a plex with G1 proportions.
Bear this in mind though that we've yet to have a titan class outside the main Generations line branding yet (one exception being when Takara did Grand.) It's entirely possible that Studio Series never gets a commander or titan class of It's own. Only time will tell if it holds true
EDIT:
While more an assumption still (baring either a leak of figures or official confirmation), it's down to there already being a Netflix wfc line.
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 23rd, 2022 @ 1:46pm CST
blackeyedprime wrote:Pretty sure swoop was confirmed as leader, he might have a small bit of plastic with him like grimlock or starscream did to look worthy of the pricing.
Swoop has been rumoured to have been both at one point. I think he'll be leader on account of the plastic needed for the wings.
Regarding Metroplex, it was said that Warden wanted a more G1 take on ole plex (read not stretched out just to gain a title that he held for 2 years just to give to Fortress...who then lost it to Unicron). I'd imagine the intent would be to have a plex with G1 proportions.
Bear this in mind though that we've yet to have a titan class outside the main Generations line branding yet (one exception being when Takara did Grand.) It's entirely possible that Studio Series never gets a commander or titan class of It's own. Only time will tell if it holds true
EDIT:
Omegatron. wrote:Remind me, where was it confirmed that WFC meant High Moon rather than Netflix?
While more an assumption still (baring either a leak of figures or official confirmation), it's down to there already being a Netflix wfc line.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149850)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 23rd, 2022 @ 1:49pm CST
When it was noted that Studio Series would be going from films to video games. A Netflix WFC line already exists. So it wouldn't make sense for it to be in the SS line, too.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 23rd, 2022 @ 1:49pm CST
Omegatron. wrote:Remind me, where was it confirmed that WFC meant High Moon rather than Netflix?
When it was noted that Studio Series would be going from films to video games. A Netflix WFC line already exists. So it wouldn't make sense for it to be in the SS line, too.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149851)
Posted by TulioDude on November 23rd, 2022 @ 2:05pm CST
Posted by TulioDude on November 23rd, 2022 @ 2:05pm CST
Cool toys! It also means we're gonna have to wait a bit more for a Studio Series Rise of the Beasts Optimus Prime.
Day 1058 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.
Day 1058 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149852)
Posted by Omegatron. on November 23rd, 2022 @ 2:38pm CST
And a G1 already exists but they still put G1 toys in Studio Series, so I don't find that very persuasive.
Ok, where was that confirmed?
Posted by Omegatron. on November 23rd, 2022 @ 2:38pm CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:A Netflix WFC line already exists. So it wouldn't make sense for it to be in the SS line, too.
And a G1 already exists but they still put G1 toys in Studio Series, so I don't find that very persuasive.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:When it was noted that Studio Series would be going from films to video games.
Ok, where was that confirmed?
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149853)
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 23rd, 2022 @ 2:41pm CST
It hasn't officially but we have just had a line of screen accurate decos to the Netflix series and Siege, so while it could be a line of reissues, it's doubtful.
Really this is the problem of having two completely different things called War For Cybertron
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 23rd, 2022 @ 2:41pm CST
Omegatron. wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:A Netflix WFC line already exists. So it wouldn't make sense for it to be in the SS line, too.
And a G1 already exists but they still put G1 toys in Studio Series, so I don't find that very persuasive.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:When it was noted that Studio Series would be going from films to video games.
Ok, where was that confirmed?
It hasn't officially but we have just had a line of screen accurate decos to the Netflix series and Siege, so while it could be a line of reissues, it's doubtful.
Really this is the problem of having two completely different things called War For Cybertron
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149854)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 23rd, 2022 @ 2:46pm CST
Studio Series '86 AKA G1: The Movie. Hence why it was in the SS line. Netflix series has no movie. But High Moon does have a video game series.
It was a news article, a while ago. It should be in this thread.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 23rd, 2022 @ 2:46pm CST
Omegatron. wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:A Netflix WFC line already exists. So it wouldn't make sense for it to be in the SS line, too.
And a G1 already exists but they still put G1 toys in Studio Series, so I don't find that very persuasive.
Studio Series '86 AKA G1: The Movie. Hence why it was in the SS line. Netflix series has no movie. But High Moon does have a video game series.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:When it was noted that Studio Series would be going from films to video games.
Omegatron. wrote:Ok, where was that confirmed?
It was a news article, a while ago. It should be in this thread.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149855)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 23rd, 2022 @ 2:49pm CST
If only it was the first time Hasbro had performed this particular blunder... Robots in Disguise, anyone?
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 23rd, 2022 @ 2:49pm CST
ZeroWolf wrote:Really this is the problem of having two completely different things called War For Cybertron
If only it was the first time Hasbro had performed this particular blunder... Robots in Disguise, anyone?
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149856)
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 23rd, 2022 @ 2:53pm CST
Very true, they performed that one 3 times (2 cartoons, their respective toy lines and a prime sub line)
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 23rd, 2022 @ 2:53pm CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Really this is the problem of having two completely different things called War For Cybertron
If only it was the first time Hasbro had performed this particular blunder... Robots in Disguise, anyone?
Very true, they performed that one 3 times (2 cartoons, their respective toy lines and a prime sub line)
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149858)
Posted by william-james88 on November 23rd, 2022 @ 3:53pm CST
No official confirmation from Hasbro, but that goes for this entire list. The confirmation came from JTPrime who has access to distributer info, he is the same source for most of these early listings.
The latest news from a Hasbro designer is that they are all the same size, as was the case in the G1 show.
Thats an interesting one since it's a glaring omission. But, unlike all the others, Optimus retains the same design he had before, so it could just be a reissue within the SS line, apart from the main line, or a reissue in the Buzzworthy line.
Posted by william-james88 on November 23rd, 2022 @ 3:53pm CST
Omegatron. wrote:Remind me, where was it confirmed that WFC meant High Moon rather than Netflix?
No official confirmation from Hasbro, but that goes for this entire list. The confirmation came from JTPrime who has access to distributer info, he is the same source for most of these early listings.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Isn't Swoop rumored to be a voyager? Maybe they want to get the leaders out of the way?JazZeke wrote:william-james88 wrote:Tra Gen Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl
I'm surprised they're going with Snarl before Swoop.
The latest news from a Hasbro designer is that they are all the same size, as was the case in the G1 show.
TulioDude wrote:Cool toys! It also means we're gonna have to wait a bit more for a Studio Series Rise of the Beasts Optimus Prime.
Thats an interesting one since it's a glaring omission. But, unlike all the others, Optimus retains the same design he had before, so it could just be a reissue within the SS line, apart from the main line, or a reissue in the Buzzworthy line.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149859)
Posted by RotorstormNZ on November 23rd, 2022 @ 4:08pm CST
Posted by RotorstormNZ on November 23rd, 2022 @ 4:08pm CST
I love both Airazors. Call me weird, but I do! I'll probably go for the mainline one though.
And Battletrap? Awesome!
Because none of the other robots do?
And Battletrap? Awesome!
RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Why can't female transformers from the movie universe have liquid metal faces?
Because none of the other robots do?
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149866)
Posted by durroth on November 23rd, 2022 @ 4:55pm CST
Posted by durroth on November 23rd, 2022 @ 4:55pm CST
I am honestly struggling to think of how they can top the previous WfC Optimus, the deluxe had amazing engineering and besides the magazine on the side of the gun needing a stronger spring because its as touch sensitive as unite frenzy and rumble its already an amazing figure. I can only assume the voyager will be roughly the same size with the engineering they'll need to make this worth replacing him. *FoC* Optimus however... please hasbro.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149872)
Posted by Overcracker on November 23rd, 2022 @ 5:19pm CST
Ohh, they can improve it. WFC Prime has a super fiddly and overly convoluted transformation.
Cyber Truck mode is o.k, and robot mode looks fine, but going form one to the other is not pleasant.
An update to that would be appreciated.
FOC was a simpler more intuitive transformation that I think works much better and is much better experience overall.
Transformers Fall of Cybertron Optimus Prime Gallery
Posted by Overcracker on November 23rd, 2022 @ 5:19pm CST
durroth wrote:I am honestly struggling to think of how they can top the previous WfC Optimus, the deluxe had amazing engineering and besides the magazine on the side of the gun needing a stronger spring because its as touch sensitive as unite frenzy and rumble its already an amazing figure. I can only assume the voyager will be roughly the same size with the engineering they'll need to make this worth replacing him. *FoC* Optimus however... please hasbro.
Ohh, they can improve it. WFC Prime has a super fiddly and overly convoluted transformation.
Cyber Truck mode is o.k, and robot mode looks fine, but going form one to the other is not pleasant.
An update to that would be appreciated.
FOC was a simpler more intuitive transformation that I think works much better and is much better experience overall.
Transformers Fall of Cybertron Optimus Prime Gallery
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149874)
Posted by Whirlkick on November 23rd, 2022 @ 5:37pm CST
Posted by Whirlkick on November 23rd, 2022 @ 5:37pm CST
Thanks for this! Man, makes me so happy seeing the WFC game figures here! I've wanted them to give us more figures from that continuity for a decade!
I also would've preferred if they made Hatchet a jet like his original Commander figure. Not movie accurate, but such a cool alt form for our doggy friend!
I also would've preferred if they made Hatchet a jet like his original Commander figure. Not movie accurate, but such a cool alt form for our doggy friend!
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149876)
Posted by Sabrblade on November 23rd, 2022 @ 5:50pm CST
That is NOT the Titan class toy's design:
Posted by Sabrblade on November 23rd, 2022 @ 5:50pm CST
FOC Metroplex looks like this (click each to see full size):william-james88 wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:True. But for those people asking for a new/redux Metroplex. I'd say it would likely be this one.
That's doesnt make sense to me since the previous Metroplex was the one from WFC. We'd get a more g1 accurate Metroplex before revisiting a WFC Metroplex.
That is NOT the Titan class toy's design:
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149878)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 23rd, 2022 @ 6:12pm CST
Exactly.
The old Titan Metroplex was not "G1" enough, and was certainly NOT "FOC".
Also, I would want an official FOC Omega Supreme and Triptycon. Both were absolutely fantastic in the games and they got solid 3P offerings. Having Hasbro complete and improve the toys of the Activision games would be awesome. A release of a remasters of those games on Steam and modern consoles would help.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 23rd, 2022 @ 6:12pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:FOC Metroplex looks like this (click each to see full size):william-james88 wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:True. But for those people asking for a new/redux Metroplex. I'd say it would likely be this one.
That's doesnt make sense to me since the previous Metroplex was the one from WFC. We'd get a more g1 accurate Metroplex before revisiting a WFC Metroplex.
Exactly.
The old Titan Metroplex was not "G1" enough, and was certainly NOT "FOC".
Also, I would want an official FOC Omega Supreme and Triptycon. Both were absolutely fantastic in the games and they got solid 3P offerings. Having Hasbro complete and improve the toys of the Activision games would be awesome. A release of a remasters of those games on Steam and modern consoles would help.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149887)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on November 23rd, 2022 @ 8:28pm CST
The level of disappointment I have that there is still no Que, no live action dinobots, no TLK crew in 2023 is immeasurable. Guess I gotta hope for 2024...
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on November 23rd, 2022 @ 8:28pm CST
william-james88 wrote:With our first look, yesterday, at two Studio Series toys coming out in 2023, I thought it would be a good time to consolidate all the listings we got to give you a full view of what is coming out next year in that line. It will be a mix of toys for characters from the Rise of the Beasts movie (labelled as TF7 in toy listings, two of which are still code names), War for Cybertron High Moon Game, 86 Movie Michael Bay films (of which there is only one so far). We do not know the full wave breakdown and that will always be subject to change, but below you will find the full list organized by price point. This does not include exclusive Studio Series toys like the upcoming Hatchet.
Core Class:
Tra Gen Studio series Core TF3 Bumblebee
Tra Gen Studio series 86 core Frenzy
Tra Gen Studio series 86 core Ironhide
Tra Gen studio series core TF7 code name Delta2
Tra Gen Studio series Core TF7 code name Hydra
Deluxe Class:
TRA Gen Studio Series DLX TF7 Bumblebee (Codename: George)
TRA Gen Studio Series DLX TF7 Airazor (Codename: Titan)
Tra Gen Studio series Dlx TF7 Mirage (Codename: Pluto)
Tra Gen Studio Series DLX TF7 Wheeljack (Codename: Barcelona)
Tra Gen Studio series Dlx TF7 Nightbird (Codename: Outlaw)
Tra Gen Studio series Dlx WFC Barricade
Tra Gen studio series Dlx WFC Bumblebee
Tra Gen studio series Dlx WFC Cliffjumper
Tra Gen Studio series 86 Dlx Brawn
Voyager Class:
TRA Gen Studio Series VOY TF7 Cheetor (Codename: Butch)
TRA Gen Studio Series VOY TF7 Battletrap (Codename: Appolo)
Tra Gen Studio series Voy TF7 Rhinox (Codename: Warrior)
Tra Gen Studio series Voy WFC Megatron
Tra Gen Studio series VOY WFC Optimus Prime
Tra Gen Studio series 86 voyager Ratchet
Leader Class:
Tra Gen Studio Series Leader TF7 Optimus Primal (Codename: Cyclops)
Tra Gen Studio Series Leader TF7 Scourge (Codename: Oscar)
Tra Gen Studio Series 86 Leader Snarl
The level of disappointment I have that there is still no Que, no live action dinobots, no TLK crew in 2023 is immeasurable. Guess I gotta hope for 2024...
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149888)
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on November 23rd, 2022 @ 9:12pm CST
Same here, but I think Buzzworthy might be coming in clutch with some Bayverse stuff next year, which would explain why we don't see much in these listings. We already know about NEST Ratchet and Bonecrusher, and Hatchet is also coming to Buzzworthy. Hopefully we see more, like Que!
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on November 23rd, 2022 @ 9:12pm CST
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:The level of disappointment I have that there is still no Que, no live action dinobots, no TLK crew in 2023 is immeasurable. Guess I gotta hope for 2024...
Same here, but I think Buzzworthy might be coming in clutch with some Bayverse stuff next year, which would explain why we don't see much in these listings. We already know about NEST Ratchet and Bonecrusher, and Hatchet is also coming to Buzzworthy. Hopefully we see more, like Que!
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149898)
Posted by cloudballoon on November 24th, 2022 @ 1:54am CST
Posted by cloudballoon on November 24th, 2022 @ 1:54am CST
If the eventual Swoop is a Voyager size figure at Leader price, Hasbro better pack 5 swords as accessories. None of the Blitzwing/Shockwave crap.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149899)
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 24th, 2022 @ 4:24am CST
I don't think they will, the swords were never in the movie anyway. What I now think Swoop will be like is consistent in height with the others but leaner, allowing for his wings to be the size they need to be.
People always talk about the swords but then forget that they never appeared in the movie which this line is all about.
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 24th, 2022 @ 4:24am CST
cloudballoon wrote:If the eventual Swoop is a Voyager size figure at Leader price, Hasbro better pack 5 swords as accessories. None of the Blitzwing/Shockwave crap.
I don't think they will, the swords were never in the movie anyway. What I now think Swoop will be like is consistent in height with the others but leaner, allowing for his wings to be the size they need to be.
People always talk about the swords but then forget that they never appeared in the movie which this line is all about.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149903)
Posted by griftimus prime on November 24th, 2022 @ 6:20am CST
Posted by griftimus prime on November 24th, 2022 @ 6:20am CST
damn battletrap looks good. flawless botmode
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149904)
Posted by william-james88 on November 24th, 2022 @ 7:06am CST
Swoop will be as tall as the others in robot mode, so it will be a leader class toy with a leader's height.
Posted by william-james88 on November 24th, 2022 @ 7:06am CST
cloudballoon wrote:If the eventual Swoop is a Voyager size figure at Leader price, Hasbro better pack 5 swords as accessories. None of the Blitzwing/Shockwave crap.
Swoop will be as tall as the others in robot mode, so it will be a leader class toy with a leader's height.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149905)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 24th, 2022 @ 7:24am CST
He would also need to have a big wingspan with multiple joints.
That counts.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 24th, 2022 @ 7:24am CST
william-james88 wrote:cloudballoon wrote:If the eventual Swoop is a Voyager size figure at Leader price, Hasbro better pack 5 swords as accessories. None of the Blitzwing/Shockwave crap.
Swoop will be as tall as the others in robot mode, so it will be a leader class toy with a leader's height.
He would also need to have a big wingspan with multiple joints.
That counts.
Re: A Tale of 2 ROTB Airazors (2149906)
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 24th, 2022 @ 7:26am CST
He may just be thinner then the others while maintaining height
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 24th, 2022 @ 7:26am CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:william-james88 wrote:cloudballoon wrote:If the eventual Swoop is a Voyager size figure at Leader price, Hasbro better pack 5 swords as accessories. None of the Blitzwing/Shockwave crap.
Swoop will be as tall as the others in robot mode, so it will be a leader class toy with a leader's height.
He would also need to have a big wingspan with multiple joints.
That counts.
He may just be thinner then the others while maintaining height
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