Behind the Scenes at Transformers: Age of Extinction Movie Collection TV Shoot

Mindmaster wrote:

Metro Prime wrote:

Va'al wrote:

Wonder if this has anything to do with that Drift Skyhammer repaint we saw the other day?

I have no doubt about it. The color placement is about right (though this is a dark gray rather than the blue we're used to seeing on Drift toys), it's almost the right shape, and it's got missile pods like the Skyhammer mold has. Plus, it's got an Autobot faction symbol slapped on the side, so that narrows it down some.

Remember on deluxe Drifts toy it says he used to be a decepticon.


I believe this is when Drift is a Decepticon in the early part of the movie but for marketing sake they package him as an Autobot so they can get him off the shelf because for some reason kids dont buy decepticons anymore despite them having good guys with no bad guys to fight.

Or they have an Autobot symbol on it to try and avoid spoilers about it starting the movie as a Decepticon, like they did in the ROTF line releasing the Blackout repaint as Grindor to cover that Blackout was back for the sequel

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Or they have an Autobot symbol on it to try and avoid spoilers about it starting the movie as a Decepticon, like they did in the ROTF line releasing the Blackout repaint as Grindor to cover that Blackout was back for the sequel

I'm not sure how this relates to Drift possibly being the mystery chopper.

Not sure if this belongs here, but I picked up Leader Grimlock the other day, interesting comparison to MP Grimlock. Note that Leader Grimlock is slightly modified to shorten his dino-torso and hand-wield his shield. Heh-heh, poet.

Mindmaster wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Or they have an Autobot symbol on it to try and avoid spoilers about it starting the movie as a Decepticon, like they did in the ROTF line releasing the Blackout repaint as Grindor to cover that Blackout was back for the sequel

I'm not sure how this relates to Drift possibly being the mystery chopper.

They put an autobot symbol on the chopper to not spoil the plot point that Drift starts the movie as a Decepticon then switches sides.

While Scorn is arguably the best of the AOE wave 1 deluxes I'm pleased to say that it's Constructbots counterpart holds up just as well. The colors really pop and need to be seen in hand to fully appreciate the brightness. Crosshairs is really fun and I think it's great how you can tilt the car hood to get a trench coat like flow going. Highly recommended.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Or they have an Autobot symbol on it to try and avoid spoilers about it starting the movie as a Decepticon, like they did in the ROTF line releasing the Blackout repaint as Grindor to cover that Blackout was back for the sequel

I'm not sure how this relates to Drift possibly being the mystery chopper.

They put an autobot symbol on the chopper to not spoil the plot point that Drift starts the movie as a Decepticon then switches sides.

But I still don't understand how Blackout and Grindor have to do with anything. For the record, Blackout and Grindor are completely separate characters.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Or they have an Autobot symbol on it to try and avoid spoilers about it starting the movie as a Decepticon, like they did in the ROTF line releasing the Blackout repaint as Grindor to cover that Blackout was back for the sequel

Blackout never came back plus Grindor was in the trailers and it was said they are separate.



We never saw Blackout come back to life (cons had one shard)

While similar Grindor is a different chopper from Blackout

The games call him Grindor so do the toys and he is never called Blackout in rotf so I'm sure it is safe to call him Grindor.

If the helicopter toy has an Autobot symbol to hide the fact that Drift used to be a Decepticon, then that is a pretty pointless thing to do since the bio for Drift on Hasbro.com already explicitly gives away that he used to be a Decepticon.

Drift is a master of ancient weaponry who always remains calm and controlled during combat. Long ago, he fought for the DECEPTICONS. The scars of battle changed his thinking, and now Drift wields his swords for good as a member of the AUTOBOTS!

RhA wrote:Well, you could make him into an angry plush, if you want to. The bully of your bedside. Use your imagination, the sky is the limit.

You would think a T-rex was a good bedside bully

I'd much rather take him to work and hurl him at my work mates head.

Hopefully she's too stunned to throw him back at me.

From Transformers Columbia - https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=oa.10152034606627000&type=1

The Transformers Columbia Facebook page continues giving us looks at upcoming Evolutions 2-packs. This time we get our first look at the Optimus Prime Evolutions 2-pack. The set consists of repaints of Classics Optimus Prime and Evasion Mode Optimus Prime. The Classics mold Prime features a G1 deco with chrome thighs, bumper and grill. The Evasion Mode Prime gives us added flames in both alt and robot modes. He also features a head with a faceplate.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Or they have an Autobot symbol on it to try and avoid spoilers about it starting the movie as a Decepticon, like they did in the ROTF line releasing the Blackout repaint as Grindor to cover that Blackout was back for the sequel

Blackout never came back plus Grindor was in the trailers and it was said they are separate.



We never saw Blackout come back to life (cons had one shard)

While similar Grindor is a different chopper from Blackout

The games call him Grindor so do the toys and he is never called Blackout in rotf so I'm sure it is safe to call him Grindor.

That wasn't blackout in ROTF? I thought it was, my bad.

They finally got it right. And just when I was about to buy the standard version.

So basically you can get the Evasion mode Prime with chrome, and a faceplate, in the two pack with Grimlock

OR

Evasion mode Prime without chrome, closer G1 robot mode, with flames, and a faceplate with the 6th or 7th domestic release of the Classic Prime mold, with chrome. Don't know about you but I'm having a hard time figuring out which set I want.

Well, I still don't have that classics Optimus mold, and was never able to get any of its other releases. Very, very tempted by this two pack.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:So basically you can get the Evasion mode Prime with chrome, and a faceplate, in the two pack with Grimlock

OR

Evasion mode Prime without chrome, closer G1 robot mode, with flames, and a faceplate with the 6th or 7th domestic release of the Classic Prime mold, with chrome. Don't know about you but I'm having a hard time figuring out which set I want.

I feel like the confusion about which product you prefer is part of the business strategy with all of these repaints. Somewhere in these, if you mix and match parts, is the perfect versions of each of these molds. Curious to see what people come up with.

This is going to be crazy for the galleries by the way ... I finally have my hands on Crystal Convoy, I never did the gallery of Henkei Ultra Magnus, we've got Fire Guts Ginrai coming out and now this one. Oh! And Cloud Convoy as well. 5 galleries of one mold 8 years after it was released after having been so used in the past. Very interesting!

Seibertron wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:So basically you can get the Evasion mode Prime with chrome, and a faceplate, in the two pack with Grimlock

OR

Evasion mode Prime without chrome, closer G1 robot mode, with flames, and a faceplate with the 6th or 7th domestic release of the Classic Prime mold, with chrome. Don't know about you but I'm having a hard time figuring out which set I want.

I feel like the confusion about which product you prefer is part of the business strategy with all of these repaints. Somewhere in these, if you mix and match parts, is the perfect versions of each of these molds. Curious to see what people come up with.

I'm just wondering what condition that classic Prime mold is in, I'm expecting much looseness.

Seibertron wrote:This is going to be crazy for the galleries by the way ... I finally have my hands on Crystal Convoy, I never did the gallery of Henkei Ultra Magnus, we've got Fire Guts Ginrai coming out and now this one. Oh! And Cloud Convoy as well. 5 galleries of one mold 8 years after it was released after having been so used in the past. Very interesting!

Don't forget Bot Con shattered glass, and the two black versions!

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I'm just wondering what condition that classic Prime mold is in, I'm expecting much looseness.

I love this comment from people. After 30 uses of the Classics Starscream mold, I think we should be able to finally move away from this thought process about molds degrading after time. Those molds are amazing and they will last the test of time. The only question should really be whether or not the original mold was made of "sturdy stuff" or made from a lesser material that gives way after time.

I'm of two minds about this, as on one side it's the same old classics prime mold for the umpteenth time and as much as I like the mold I'm still waiting for someone to one-up it IME, but... DEM CHROME PANTS!

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Seibertron wrote:This is going to be crazy for the galleries by the way ... I finally have my hands on Crystal Convoy, I never did the gallery of Henkei Ultra Magnus, we've got Fire Guts Ginrai coming out and now this one. Oh! And Cloud Convoy as well. 5 galleries of one mold 8 years after it was released after having been so used in the past. Very interesting!

Don't forget Bot Con shattered glass, and the two black versions!

I think you misread what I wrote. I was only talking about galleries that haven't been completed yet. All 3 of the ones you mentioned have had their galleries completed long ago.

Seibertron wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I'm just wondering what condition that classic Prime mold is in, I'm expecting much looseness.

I love this comment from people. After 30 uses of the Classics Starscream mold, I think we should be able to finally move away from this thought process about molds degrading after time. Those molds are amazing and they will last the test of time. The only question should really be whether or not the original mold was made of "sturdy stuff" or made from a lesser material that gives way after time.

My classics Ramjet was loose out of the package. Thundercracker, Dirge, and Thrust from Games of Deception all had loose legs. Target Legion Smokescreen and BH Bluestreak were both loose messes. Bluestreak in particular had issues with the arms staying clipped in. It can't all be bad luck. Then again it could, it's me.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I'm just wondering what condition that classic Prime mold is in, I'm expecting much looseness.

I love this comment from people. After 30 uses of the Classics Starscream mold, I think we should be able to finally move away from this thought process about molds degrading after time. Those molds are amazing and they will last the test of time. The only question should really be whether or not the original mold was made of "sturdy stuff" or made from a lesser material that gives way after time.

My classics Ramjet was loose out of the package. Thundercracker, Dirge, and Thrust from Games of Deception all had loose legs. Target Legion Smokescreen and BH Bluestreak were both loose messes. Bluestreak in particular had issues with the arms staying clipped in. It can't all be bad luck. Then again it could, it's me.

Sounds like bad luck. I don't have those issues with any of those figures. Classics Ramjet wouldn't even make sense of mold degradation since it was the 2nd use of the mold out of "30" times (which is arguable if you want to debate that the mold was split off at some point to do the "Conehead" variants).

Seibertron wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Seibertron wrote:This is going to be crazy for the galleries by the way ... I finally have my hands on Crystal Convoy, I never did the gallery of Henkei Ultra Magnus, we've got Fire Guts Ginrai coming out and now this one. Oh! And Cloud Convoy as well. 5 galleries of one mold 8 years after it was released after having been so used in the past. Very interesting!

Don't forget Bot Con shattered glass, and the two black versions!

I think you misread what I wrote. I was only talking about galleries that haven't been completed yet. All 3 of the ones you mentioned have had their galleries completed long ago.

It's been awhile, I forgot, lol

Seibertron wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I'm just wondering what condition that classic Prime mold is in, I'm expecting much looseness.

I love this comment from people. After 30 uses of the Classics Starscream mold, I think we should be able to finally move away from this thought process about molds degrading after time. Those molds are amazing and they will last the test of time. The only question should really be whether or not the original mold was made of "sturdy stuff" or made from a lesser material that gives way after time.

My classics Ramjet was loose out of the package. Thundercracker, Dirge, and Thrust from Games of Deception all had loose legs. Target Legion Smokescreen and BH Bluestreak were both loose messes. Bluestreak in particular had issues with the arms staying clipped in. It can't all be bad luck. Then again it could, it's me.

Sounds like bad luck. I don't have those issues with any of those figures. Classics Ramjet wouldn't even make sense of mold degradation since it was the 2nd use of the mold out of "30" times (which is arguable if you want to debate that the mold was split off at some point to do the "Conehead" variants).

I don't think I could have all that bad luck, especially considering that retail Thrust and Dirge were made from a second production mold and are fine.

one problem with this release. one. they forgot to paint the smokestacks/pistol on classics prime

So are we going to get a beat up rusty brown version of Evasion Mode Optimus Prime?

'cause that's what I want. I've never been fussed with the G1 inspired version, toss some flames on him and he's even more unwanted.

dear god are they trying to make evasion prime look more like a KO? If it was painted good id be all over this but they both look terrible so pass. Plus im sure the price will be extremely high.

Oh yeah, this is the one I'm getting for sure. I also really REALLY need a version of Nemesis Prime.

I really wished that helicopter was going to be Cyclonus...wasn't he supposed to be in this thing?

DinobotScorn wrote:I really wished that helicopter was going to be Cyclonus...wasn't he supposed to be in this thing?

Given his alt-mode (which may or may not be a plot point) I think Cyclonus may have been one of the codenames Hasbro used to obscure the new character's names in case of leaks- So in this case, it might have been Drift's.

Why does Classics Prime have 1984?

I think I prefer the regular version of Evasion Prime, don't like those flames one bit.

Well, i'll be having that! No classics Prime in my collection and it looks like one of the better red versions. I'm not keen on that Evasion mode one but this 2pack will still be cheaper than hunting down a Henkei or Cloud Op.

i do think the 1984 on the box is a bit misleading.

I really want these 2 figures in my collection, hope I manage

Oh my god, that Classics Prime is gorgeous! I never thought I'd see the day where I might think of replacing my 2006 version of the mold. (Although I may do some parts swapping... Most notably the smokestacks.)

I'm torn on the Evasion Mode Prime included... On one hand, I like the vehicle mode deco and some of the other color choices better on the regular release. On the other hand, this one has a faceplate! I suppose I could just get both, and do some parts swapping between them. Or I could just get this two-pack version, and be happy with it seeing as it was the only TF4 toy I was even mildly interested in, anyway.

Mindmaster wrote:

Metro Prime wrote:

Va'al wrote:

Wonder if this has anything to do with that Drift Skyhammer repaint we saw the other day?

I have no doubt about it. The color placement is about right (though this is a dark gray rather than the blue we're used to seeing on Drift toys), it's almost the right shape, and it's got missile pods like the Skyhammer mold has. Plus, it's got an Autobot faction symbol slapped on the side, so that narrows it down some.

My guess is that, like Optimus and Bumblebee, Drift has an Evasion mode of some sort. He's in hiding, disguised as a helicopter (or a Bugatti, it could be either one) and when the Autobots reveal themselves, he scans a different alt-mode. That, or he's a Triple-Changer and Hasbro couldn't engineer that into a Deluxe figure without it looking horrid.

I wonder if this means that there isn't going to be a Voyager Class Optimus Prime (Western Star truck). We can't get enough of that Evasion Mode Optimus.

Seibertron wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:So basically you can get the Evasion mode Prime with chrome, and a faceplate, in the two pack with Grimlock

OR

Evasion mode Prime without chrome, closer G1 robot mode, with flames, and a faceplate with the 6th or 7th domestic release of the Classic Prime mold, with chrome. Don't know about you but I'm having a hard time figuring out which set I want.

I feel like the confusion about which product you prefer is part of the business strategy with all of these repaints. Somewhere in these, if you mix and match parts, is the perfect versions of each of these molds. Curious to see what people come up with.

Thats exactly what people are gonna do...mix and match parts. Theyre gonna buy both sets, Frankenstein the perfect Prime, and then return the crap bot to the store for some little kid to buy and never even notice. Personally I wouldnt blame them for doing it.

Rated X wrote:Thats exactly what people are gonna do...mix and match parts. Theyre gonna buy both sets, Frankenstein the perfect Prime, and then return the crap bot to the store for some little kid to buy and never even notice. Personally I wouldnt blame them for doing it.

That's slightly less evil then usual with toy swapping, as at least it is still a representation of the same character, and in the same mold... but you're still advocating for people* to unload a sub-par product on a poor, unsuspecting kid (or to piss off a fellow adult collector if they go looking for an Evasion Mode Prime in a store, and all that happens to be left on a shelf is this Frankenstein parts reject). Not cool.

If someone buys a toy for parts, congratulations! They bought a toy. It is theirs. They should either keep it, try and sell it (disclosing what was done to it) on eBay or someplace similar, or gift it to a friend (or a friend's kid). They should not return it to a store, get their money back for a product they have extensively made use of, and take that money to the bank while leaving open the possibility that some poor, unsuspecting person will be buying a toy that is not the toy they are expecting.

Like I said, slightly less evil in this case since at least it is still the right character, and the right mold of that character. But still evil enough to qualify anyone who does this as a douchebag.



* You never said in your post if you intended to do this thing yourself, but you did say that you "wouldn't blame them for doing it." Hence, advocating it.

just looking at the pics of the universe Nemesis Prime is it me or does his colour scheme look like that of Galvatrons alt mode?

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Seibertron wrote:This is going to be crazy for the galleries by the way ... I finally have my hands on Crystal Convoy, I never did the gallery of Henkei Ultra Magnus, we've got Fire Guts Ginrai coming out and now this one. Oh! And Cloud Convoy as well. 5 galleries of one mold 8 years after it was released after having been so used in the past. Very interesting!

Don't forget Bot Con shattered glass, and the two black versions!

I think you misread what I wrote. I was only talking about galleries that haven't been completed yet. All 3 of the ones you mentioned have had their galleries completed long ago.

It's been awhile, I forgot, lol

sorry this is just a follow up to my previous post

Yotsuyasan wrote:

Rated X wrote:Thats exactly what people are gonna do...mix and match parts. Theyre gonna buy both sets, Frankenstein the perfect Prime, and then return the crap bot to the store for some little kid to buy and never even notice. Personally I wouldnt blame them for doing it.

That's slightly less evil then usual with toy swapping, as at least it is still a representation of the same character, and in the same mold... but you're still advocating for people* to unload a sub-par product on a poor, unsuspecting kid (or to piss off a fellow adult collector if they go looking for an Evasion Mode Prime in a store, and all that happens to be left on a shelf is this Frankenstein parts reject). Not cool.

If someone buys a toy for parts, congratulations! They bought a toy. It is theirs. They should either keep it, try and sell it (disclosing what was done to it) on eBay or someplace similar, or gift it to a friend (or a friend's kid). They should not return it to a store, get their money back for a product they have extensively made use of, and take that money to the bank while leaving open the possibility that some poor, unsuspecting person will be buying a toy that is not the toy they are expecting.

Like I said, slightly less evil in this case since at least it is still the right character, and the right mold of that character. But still evil enough to qualify anyone who does this as a douchebag.

* You never said in your post if you intended to do this thing yourself, but you did say that you "wouldn't blame them for doing it." Hence, advocating it.

Is it any more douche that the strategy Ryan believes Hasbro is using to persuade collectors to buy both sets ? Not sure if youve ever been to a fleamarket where the figures formerly owned by little kids end up. Its a parts graveyard. An arm here, a torso there missing a head. Ive had to swap out defective or broken hasbro parts many times and I switch out the parts with the most perfect paint apps as reimbursement for my gas and wasted time. I havent done head swap with different figures before. But if the toy shelves are overflowing with AOE toys like they always are during movie season, I wouldnt feel bad. I never claimed to be the most ethical person in the world. My momma didnt raise no boy scout...

Rated X wrote:Is it any more douche that the strategy Ryan believes Hasbro is using to persuade collectors to buy both sets?

Ah yes, the argument of, "Person or corporation 'A' is doing something questionable, so therefore obviously I am perfectly right in doing something of comparable questionableness myself!" Tell me again when is that ever an acceptable argument? Would it sound acceptable to you if I said, "Well, the NSA is apparently spying on whoever they please, so that means it is okay if I break into my neighbor's apartment, bug their phone, and set up hidden cameras!" I suspect not. (And if you do think it would be fine for me to do that, I would worry about those close to you.)

Rated X wrote:Not sure if youve ever been to a fleamarket where the figures formerly owned by little kids end up. Its a parts graveyard. An arm here, a torso there missing a head.

So now you're equating buying used toys with what one should be able to expect new at retail? If I go to a flea market, and I find parts, I know what I'm buying. If I go to Toys 'Я' Us and buy a toy off a shelf, expecting one thing and finding another when I get the box open, then not cool.

Rated X wrote:Ive had to swap out defective or broken hasbro parts many times and I switch out the parts with the most perfect paint apps as reimbursement for my gas and wasted time. I havent done head swap with different figures before.

I'm confused here. Are you still talking about flea markets, or are you back to original retail?

If someone has to swap out a broken part or something on a new toy they just bought, then if they did so with the knowledge of the store's staff ("I bought this toy here, and this part is broken/missing. Can I swap it out with this part from the same toy off of your shelf?") then that is perfectly acceptable, and if the resulting product the store is left with ends up back on their shelf, that is the store being a douche, not the customer.

If, on the other hand, this hypothetical person is going into a store, and doing one of these:

-buying multiple versions of the same mold, swapping parts around to get one figure they like, and returning the rest
-buying a new version of a toy they already have an old version of with a broken part, to replace the part and return the "new" toy with the broken part
-buying a new version of a toy they already have, where they like the new one better, throwing the old toy into the box and returning it

...then that person is a douche.

Rated X wrote:But if the toy shelves are overflowing with AOE toys like they always are during movie season, I wouldnt feel bad.

So... a store's sub-par purchasing decision is an expectable reason to cause potential harm to that store's other customers?

Rated X wrote:I never claimed to be the most ethical person in the world. My momma didnt raise no boy scout...

That much is obvious from this discussion. Me, on the other hand:

Yotsuyasan wrote:

Rated X wrote:Is it any more douche that the strategy Ryan believes Hasbro is using to persuade collectors to buy both sets?

Ah yes, the argument of, "Person or corporation 'A' is doing something questionable, so therefore obviously I am perfectly right in doing something of comparable questionableness myself!" Tell me again when is that ever an acceptable argument? Would it sound acceptable to you if I said, "Well, the NSA is apparently spying on whoever they please, so that means it is okay if I break into my neighbor's apartment, bug their phone, and set up hidden cameras!" I suspect not. (And if you do think it would be fine for me to do that, I would worry about those close to you.)

Rated X wrote:Not sure if youve ever been to a fleamarket where the figures formerly owned by little kids end up. Its a parts graveyard. An arm here, a torso there missing a head.

So now you're equating buying used toys with what one should be able to expect new at retail? If I go to a flea market, and I find parts, I know what I'm buying. If I go to Toys 'Я' Us and buy a toy off a shelf, expecting one thing and finding another when I get the box open, then not cool.

Rated X wrote:Ive had to swap out defective or broken hasbro parts many times and I switch out the parts with the most perfect paint apps as reimbursement for my gas and wasted time. I havent done head swap with different figures before.

I'm confused here. Are you still talking about flea markets, or are you back to original retail?

If someone has to swap out a broken part or something on a new toy they just bought, then if they did so with the knowledge of the store's staff ("I bought this toy here, and this part is broken/missing. Can I swap it out with this part from the same toy off of your shelf?") then that is perfectly acceptable, and if the resulting product the store is left with ends up back on their shelf, that is the store being a douche, not the customer.

If, on the other hand, this hypothetical person is going into a store, and doing one of these:

-buying multiple versions of the same mold, swapping parts around to get one figure they like, and returning the rest
-buying a new version of a toy they already have an old version of with a broken part, to replace the part and return the "new" toy with the broken part
-buying a new version of a toy they already have, where they like the new one better, throwing the old toy into the box and returning it

...then that person is a douche.

Rated X wrote:But if the toy shelves are overflowing with AOE toys like they always are during movie season, I wouldnt feel bad.

So... a store's sub-par purchasing decision is an expectable reason to cause potential harm to that store's other customers?

Rated X wrote:I never claimed to be the most ethical person in the world. My momma didnt raise no boy scout...

That much is obvious from this discussion. Me, on the other hand:

Posting from a cellphone here so I cant do all the cut and paste stuff. Let me try to answer your questions. I know 2 wrongs dont make a right but it is what it is. If hasbro pulls a dick move thats not in the collectors favor, they have to remember collectors can be dicks too. On fleamarkets and parts graveyards, i was suggesting where a majority of little kids toys end up anyways, so I flat out dont feel guilty for toddlers who get a not so perfect figure. As I stated before, I have never swapped parts out from different figures, only identical ones. And I dont go to a different store as your cartoon suggests, I go right back to the same store and tell them this figure came broken. If they choose to put it back on the shelf, its on them not me. If someone else chooses to keep a defective or tampered figure and rather than returning it, its on them. Nobody forced them to keep it when they had a right to return or exchange it. On the boy scout thing, ive read your sig before. I dont want to go off topic, but they havent always had the most ethical standards either. I salute their decision to end a certain type of discrimination. Hats off to them for finally doing the ethical thing

Seibertron wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I'm just wondering what condition that classic Prime mold is in, I'm expecting much looseness.

I love this comment from people. After 30 uses of the Classics Starscream mold, I think we should be able to finally move away from this thought process about molds degrading after time. Those molds are amazing and they will last the test of time. The only question should really be whether or not the original mold was made of "sturdy stuff" or made from a lesser material that gives way after time.

Scopes really needs to do an article on "toy mold degradation." This isn't 1984, people. Molds can be remade again and again. You can machine the parts you need from information stored on a computer to recreate a mold. Variation in print runs of any mold comes down to differences in quality control for that particular printing.

Rated X wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:So basically you can get the Evasion mode Prime with chrome, and a faceplate, in the two pack with Grimlock

OR

Evasion mode Prime without chrome, closer G1 robot mode, with flames, and a faceplate with the 6th or 7th domestic release of the Classic Prime mold, with chrome. Don't know about you but I'm having a hard time figuring out which set I want.

I feel like the confusion about which product you prefer is part of the business strategy with all of these repaints. Somewhere in these, if you mix and match parts, is the perfect versions of each of these molds. Curious to see what people come up with.

Thats exactly what people are gonna do...mix and match parts. Theyre gonna buy both sets, Frankenstein the perfect Prime, and then return the crap bot to the store for some little kid to buy and never even notice. Personally I wouldnt blame them for doing it.

What kind of nonsense is this? In what world do you people live in?

One can never return a product to a store if it was opened in my country.

I can't believe a store has some sort of fruitcake policies.

If I buy something in the store, It is new unopened. It is totally unacceptable if someone else opened it and then returned it.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I'm just wondering what condition that classic Prime mold is in, I'm expecting much looseness.

I love this comment from people. After 30 uses of the Classics Starscream mold, I think we should be able to finally move away from this thought process about molds degrading after time. Those molds are amazing and they will last the test of time. The only question should really be whether or not the original mold was made of "sturdy stuff" or made from a lesser material that gives way after time.

Scopes really needs to do an article on "toy mold degradation." This isn't 1984, people. Molds can be remade again and again. You can machine the parts you need from information stored on a computer to recreate a mold. Variation in print runs of any mold comes down to differences in quality control for that particular printing.

Speaking of 1984, how many repaints and re-issue does the original G1 Optimus Prime have? No one ever had issues with it. So obviously, if it's a mold that is a cash cow, they either take really good care of it or they don't mind remaking it. That's why some molds remain perfect no matter what (G1 and classic OP, classic seekers) but others, like Movie 2007 voyager Starscream, have less than perfect later versions.
That is the theory my genius mind tell me.