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BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch

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Friday, January 6th, 2012 9:19PM CST

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BotCon has tweeted a concept sketch for the BotCon 2012 convention exclusive Metalhawk. We got a teaser earlier this evening when BotCon 2012 registration went live and all six figures where more or less revealed. Metalhawk is a repaint of Generations Thunderwing with a new head sculpt. As you can see they are going for his Pretender shell look in robot mode. We will have to wait until next week for Metalhawk's full figure reveal, but for now this sketch gives us a good idea of what the new head sculpt will look like.

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Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331096)
Posted by Emperor Galvatron on January 6th, 2012 @ 9:24pm CST
OK


Now how long until the 3rd parties make a robotic head for him.
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331105)
Posted by BeastProwl on January 6th, 2012 @ 10:08pm CST
well. If their going to make it look EXACTLY like that, I hope never....
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331108)
Posted by zodconvoy on January 6th, 2012 @ 10:28pm CST
I like it. Metalhawk is one of the few figures I actually want out of this set and to see that they're doing him as a full Pretender is a welcome sight. I just hope it turns out well. They normally just do robots.
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331109)
Posted by Mkall on January 6th, 2012 @ 10:35pm CST
Not too sure how I feel about this, I suppose I'll know for sure upon seeing the full figure.
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331110)
Posted by Emperor Galvatron on January 6th, 2012 @ 10:38pm CST
I'd like it if it was a removable helmet/face. I dunno. Every other Pretender homage has integrated the face/shell in a robotic way, this just looks like a Centurion. Bonus points for the '80s kids who remember those.

I'd rather have the Cyclonus mold, and the Silverbolt mold for Overlord. I still want the set, but that's my opinion right now.
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331114)
Posted by zodconvoy on January 6th, 2012 @ 10:49pm CST
Emperor Galvatron wrote:Bonus points for the '80s kids who remember those.


POWER X-TREME!
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331118)
Posted by Emperor Galvatron on January 6th, 2012 @ 11:04pm CST
:APPLAUSE:
zodconvoy wrote:
Emperor Galvatron wrote:Bonus points for the '80s kids who remember those.


POWER X-TREME!

:APPLAUSE: Bravo sir. Bravo. :APPLAUSE:
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331120)
Posted by Rated X on January 6th, 2012 @ 11:11pm CST
Sucks.

It is not a shell so it should not have the shells human face. This is supposed to be Botcon, not Dollcon.
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331136)
Posted by BeastProwl on January 7th, 2012 @ 12:15am CST
Rated X wrote: This is supposed to be Botcon, not Dollcon.

:APPLAUSE: Truer Words have never been spoken!
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331140)
Posted by zodconvoy on January 7th, 2012 @ 12:47am CST
BeastProwl wrote:
Rated X wrote: This is supposed to be Botcon, not Dollcon.

:APPLAUSE: Truer Words have never been spoken!


Every other Pretender that has had an update favored the shell. Every single one. Bludgeon, Skullgrin, Thunderwing, Black Shadow. The only reason why none of them have had human faces is because they were all Decepticons/Destrons. I for one welcome our new human overlords.
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331149)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 7th, 2012 @ 1:13am CST
I'll get it because I like the character, but this toy should NOT be called "Metalhawk", as this is the Pretender shell, whose name in this form was simply "Hawk". The inner robot went by the name "Metalhawk".

Emperor Galvatron wrote:I'd rather have the Cyclonus mold, and the Silverbolt mold for Overlord.
This!

Rated X wrote:Sucks.

It is not a shell so it should not have the shells human face. This is supposed to be Botcon, not Dollcon.
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zodconvoy wrote:
BeastProwl wrote:
Rated X wrote: This is supposed to be Botcon, not Dollcon.

:APPLAUSE: Truer Words have never been spoken!


Every other Pretender that has had an update favored the shell. Every single one. Bludgeon, Skullgrin, Thunderwing, Black Shadow. The only reason why none of them have had human faces is because they were all Decepticons/Destrons.
This as well.
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331152)
Posted by phase on January 7th, 2012 @ 1:50am CST
Maybe they'll release his inner robot from Cyclonus as a bagged figure either at BotCon 2012 or 2013. Or even make it a Club-Exclusive in 2013. Who knows? I just want to see the thing before I decide how I feel about it. :???:
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331157)
Posted by No One on January 7th, 2012 @ 2:30am CST
I love the idea behind this one and really like the effort.
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331177)
Posted by GetRightRobot on January 7th, 2012 @ 7:22am CST
On your mark! Get SET ! Terrible. Haha. Well, maybe not terrible , just not as good as I was counting on. I was hoping this was the savior of the box set.
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331179)
Posted by vaporretarder on January 7th, 2012 @ 7:38am CST
pssssst hey third parties.....

why doesn't someone make a replacement for that little drone piece that transforms into the inner robot...and they could do repaints for the normal hasbro products too.

who would buy that? (raises hands).
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331180)
Posted by DISCHARGE on January 7th, 2012 @ 7:49am CST
I think it is a good effort. They are giving us the robot mode as the shell and the alt mode for the inner robot mode. Gonna be real tough to make it exact with only on piece to work with when Pretenders are comprised of two pieces.

Pretenders never were the favored gimmick of Transformers, but after reading the comics use of them I was sold on them, they are a pretty neat idea, just they haven't perfected the idea in toy form.

I just wish they had incorporated the gold chrome somewhere on the toy, maybe on the drone.
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331185)
Posted by CaSSeTteBOTs45 on January 7th, 2012 @ 8:19am CST
I like it, we can always use more classics pretenders... too bad I'm not going to Botcon :(
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331187)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on January 7th, 2012 @ 8:59am CST
A part of me thinks it's kinda neat since it's such an oddball way to do a TF. I do like my TFs to be transformable ROBOTS; I wouldn't want a whole lineup of "humanformers", but it makes a kind of sense with Metal Hawk. I guess the fiction will pretend he has some sort of inner robot that goes with the toy we're seeing.

The effort might have gone over better if the "drone" turned into a tiny robot you could put into the mold. Dotto on the original Thunderwing. But it's such a small thing ... I don't know if it could be turned into any kind of passable robot.
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331188)
Posted by Rated X on January 7th, 2012 @ 9:04am CST
Sabrblade wrote:I'll get it because I like the character, but this toy should NOT be called "Metalhawk", as this is the Pretender shell, whose name in this form was simply "Hawk". The inner robot went by the name "Metalhawk".

Emperor Galvatron wrote:I'd rather have the Cyclonus mold, and the Silverbolt mold for Overlord.
This!

Rated X wrote:Sucks.

It is not a shell so it should not have the shells human face. This is supposed to be Botcon, not Dollcon.
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zodconvoy wrote:
BeastProwl wrote:
Rated X wrote: This is supposed to be Botcon, not Dollcon.

:APPLAUSE: Truer Words have never been spoken!


Every other Pretender that has had an update favored the shell. Every single one. Bludgeon, Skullgrin, Thunderwing, Black Shadow. The only reason why none of them have had human faces is because they were all Decepticons/Destrons.
This as well.



My point is the concept just won’t receive the same love as the Decepticon pretenders. I am an 80’s child so I can vouch for this. I had Skullgrin and Bugly as a kid. The Decepticon pretenders sold while the Autobot pretenders were shelf warmers. No kid wanted to own an oversized human doll.

Now back to 2012. Thanks to Michael Bay, a robot can have any type of weird alien, bug, skull, or monster face and still pass as a robot. But a human face? It’s as stupid a concept now as it was 25 years ago. Scale wise, the robot inside the shell would have to be as small as a child, while the Decepticon pretenders could be any size since there is no scale for monsters. Unless you would be “fooled” by a 20 foot tall human walking down the block. I never saw the 80's japanese cartoon, so I dont know if the humans played a different role than as the actual figures which portrayed them as huge shells. But judging from these photos posted, even a deluxe is way out of scale with other classics figures. Maybe if he were legends size.

I understand the homage factor, but the cool factor just isn’t there.
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331189)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 7th, 2012 @ 9:06am CST
phase wrote:Maybe they'll release his inner robot from Cyclonus as a bagged figure either at BotCon 2012 or 2013. Or even make it a Club-Exclusive in 2013. Who knows? I just want to see the thing before I decide how I feel about it. :???:
It's not among the rumored line up for Botcon 2012 (which has all come true thus far).

Speaking of which, I can't find that rumored line up anymore. Where did it go?! I need it for something!
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331191)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 7th, 2012 @ 9:26am CST
Rated X wrote:My point is the concept just won’t receive the same love as the Decepticon pretenders. I am an 80’s child so I can vouch for this. I had Skullgrin and Bugly as a kid. The Decepticon pretenders sold while the Autobot pretenders were shelf warmers.
What about Stranglehold? How well did he sell?

Rated X wrote:Now back to 2012. Thanks to Michael Bay, a robot can have any type of weird alien, bug, skull, or monster face and still pass as a robot. But a human face? It’s as stupid a concept now as it was 25 years ago. Scale wise, the robot inside the shell would have to be as small as a child, while the Decepticon pretenders could be any size since there is no scale for monsters.
[/quote]Why a child? In both the American and Japanese fiction, the Autobot Pretenders (and Stranglehold) all resembled adult males.

Rated X wrote:Unless you would be “fooled” by a 20 foot tall human walking down the block.
In Marvel G1, the giant sized human shells were used to fool the Decepticon Pretenders (rather than Earth humans) into think that they were giant humans so as to weird them out. They were also used to fool other giant alien lifeforms into thinking they were humans, and even visited a planet that was ruled by human female warriors of the same size as the Autobot Pretenders.

Though, Stranglehold, being a Decepticon, was an exception to this. He just used his Pretender shell for its added power, rather than for any disguising purposes (like any Decepticon Pretender did).

I don't know of what the other U.S. fiction did of with the Pretenders, though.

Rated X wrote:I never saw the 80's japanese cartoon, so I dont know if the humans played a different role than as the actual figures that portrayed them as huge shells. But judging from these photos posted, even a deluxe is way out of scale with other classics figures. Maybe if he were legends size.
In the Japanese cartoon, the human Pretender shells worked on a different level. Instead of a robot hiding with an organic casing, the robot actually shrunk down and physically changed on a molecular level into a human form. This was done as more than a mere disguise but as a means to actually integrate into human society (since these four Autobots were so fascinated by humanity when they first arrived on Earth during the Neolithic era). so, in this series, the Pretender shell was smaller than the actual robot form (though, one issue of the Japanese comic related to this series showed that the Pretender shell could grow in size to be at the height of robot mode, but this didn't happen on screen in the cartoon itself).

Though, the Decepticon Pretenders, being monsters, didn't shrink down completely to human size, but rather, just a little above human size. They were still smaller than their robot modes, but not as small as a human.

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Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331205)
Posted by zodconvoy on January 7th, 2012 @ 10:26am CST
Rated X wrote:My point is the concept just won’t receive the same love as the Decepticon pretenders. I am an 80’s child so I can vouch for this. I had Skullgrin and Bugly as a kid. The Decepticon pretenders sold while the Autobot pretenders were shelf warmers. No kid wanted to own an oversized human doll.

Now back to 2012. Thanks to Michael Bay, a robot can have any type of weird alien, bug, skull, or monster face and still pass as a robot. But a human face? It’s as stupid a concept now as it was 25 years ago. Scale wise, the robot inside the shell would have to be as small as a child, while the Decepticon pretenders could be any size since there is no scale for monsters. Unless you would be “fooled” by a 20 foot tall human walking down the block. I never saw the 80's japanese cartoon, so I dont know if the humans played a different role than as the actual figures which portrayed them as huge shells. But judging from these photos posted, even a deluxe is way out of scale with other classics figures. Maybe if he were legends size.

I understand the homage factor, but the cool factor just isn’t there.


You're forgetting one key thing that has been a major part of Transformers since day one: mass shifting. The Pretender robots and shells both could grow and shrink from Cybertronian size to human size. I am an "80's child" myself (as are the vast majority of posters on this board I find) and Pretenders did quite well in Philadelphia when I was a kid. Hell, more kids I knew wanted to Autobot Pretenders because you could pretend it was you as an Autobot. I had a friend named Bernard who took a permanent marker to his Classics Pretender Jazz's shell making it in black face so it would look like him. I played as Landmine when an Autobot but I liked Skullgrin better because of the comic "Monstercon from Mars!" from the Marvel run. Even the Pretender Monsters sold well here. So well that I couldn't finish my Monstructor as a kid because they were all sold out before I could get the last 3 of them with my allowance.

And every other line before the Bay movies had "weird alien, bug, skull, or monster" faces or heads. Unless you know someone with no mouth whose ears glow blue every time they talk ala Wheeljack for a quick example.
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331211)
Posted by Rated X on January 7th, 2012 @ 10:56am CST
Interesting how the Japanese cartoon made the concept work. I was never a comic reader but I do have an issue with Skulgrin fighting against some female super hero called “circuit breaker”. In this comic, Skullgrin appears to be large the size of most other Transformers. How were the autobot pretenders portrayed by marvel comics compared to non pretenders ?

I cant speak for Philly, but in Miami when Pretenders came out this was the scenario:

By 1988, Transformers sales had decreased in Miami. The American cartoon had ended, young fans were growing up, Nintendo was the toy of choice, and concepts that were considered “cool” to Japanese kids were considered lame by American kids. These concepts included powermasters, micromasters, and of course, pretenders.
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331212)
Posted by No One on January 7th, 2012 @ 10:58am CST
I just looked at the G1 Metalhawk head again - YUCK ! SO glad they went with the Pretender shell head.
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331215)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 7th, 2012 @ 11:05am CST
Sabrblade wrote:
phase wrote:Maybe they'll release his inner robot from Cyclonus as a bagged figure either at BotCon 2012 or 2013. Or even make it a Club-Exclusive in 2013. Who knows? I just want to see the thing before I decide how I feel about it. :???:
It's not among the rumored line up for Botcon 2012 (which has all come true thus far).

Speaking of which, I can't find that rumored line up anymore. Where did it go?! I need it for something!


Deleted upon Fun Pub's request.

And again, something I never would have expected. I like it more and more. In my eyes, best set in a good while.
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331216)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 7th, 2012 @ 11:07am CST
Rated X wrote:Interesting how the Japanese cartoon made the concept work. I was never a comic reader but I do have an issue with Skulgrin fighting against some female super hero called “circuit breaker”.
One could hardly call Circuit Breaker a "superhero". She was deranged and bloodthirsty, with a pathological hatred of the Transformers and burning desire to kill them all.

Rated X wrote:In this comic, Skullgrin appears to be large the size of most other Transformers. How were the autobot pretenders portrayed by marvel comics compared to non pretenders ?
I explained before that Marvel Comics portrayed the Autobot Pretenders as giant humans in armored suits, but this wasn't to fool the Earth humans but instead to fool the Decepticons and aliens on other planets. There was one story in which two Autobot Pretenders went to another planet that was ruled by giant warrior female humans, which is the only time their giant human Pretender shells worked as believable disguises. But most of the time, the Autobot Pretender shells just served as additional power in battle, as the inner robot could subconsciously control the shell when outside of it, so as to be two soldiers instead of one.

Rated X wrote:I cant speak for Philly, but in Miami when Pretenders came out this was the scenario:

By 1988, Transformers sales had decreased in Miami. The American cartoon had ended, young fans were growing up, Nintendo was the toy of choice, and concepts that were considered “cool” to Japanese kids were considered lame by American kids. These concepts included powermasters, micromasters, and of course, pretenders.
I guess the scenarios were different in different parts of the country.
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331296)
Posted by Dead Metal on January 7th, 2012 @ 3:20pm CST
I like this concept, lets just hope that the head sculpt will look as good as the concept and less like Frankenstein's monster.

Now let us see the complete figure in full size please, that and the other con exclusives.
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331323)
Posted by Blurrz on January 7th, 2012 @ 4:54pm CST
Shelf-warming? FunPub doesn't put the sets out on the shelves. Popularity.. cool factor.. that can all go down the toilet. The ones buying these are the hardcore of the hardcore. People who want the good homages, who want additions to their Neo-G1 and all of that jazz.

Now I don't think this set is going to sell well but that's not because of how they did Metalhawk - it's a solid idea.
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331399)
Posted by zodconvoy on January 7th, 2012 @ 9:54pm CST
Blurrz wrote:Shelf-warming? FunPub doesn't put the sets out on the shelves. Popularity.. cool factor.. that can all go down the toilet. The ones buying these are the hardcore of the hardcore. People who want the good homages, who want additions to their Neo-G1 and all of that jazz.

Now I don't think this set is going to sell well but that's not because of how they did Metalhawk - it's a solid idea.


True enough. I want practically every figure in the set and nearly all of those from the rumor thread (RIP) and I don't even collect Shattered Glass! I'm mostly a character collector and this year is hitting me hard. Ultra Magnus and Soundwave (and possibly Swindle & the Insecti-Junkions) are all ones I collect but I'm going to sell off the whole SG part of the set to pay for it. Or just piggyback off someone else who only wants the SG portion of it.

I'm also hoping that the bloodthirsty Ultra Magnus from the Universe two-pack with the Treadshot (with a nearly red Decepticon symbol) that was a Kohl's exclusive back in '04 ends up becoming part of the Shattered continuity just because of 1: how awesome it is and 2: how impossible it is to find! :lol: Plus, it's packaged with Magnus crushing Treadshot, monster truck style! That's pretty Shattered Glass to me!
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Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331401)
Posted by Rated X on January 7th, 2012 @ 10:13pm CST
Blurrz wrote:Shelf-warming? FunPub doesn't put the sets out on the shelves. Popularity.. cool factor.. that can all go down the toilet. The ones buying these are the hardcore of the hardcore. People who want the good homages, who want additions to their Neo-G1 and all of that jazz.

Now I don't think this set is going to sell well but that's not because of how they did Metalhawk - it's a solid idea.



I was not referring to Funpub exclusives.

I was referring to the original G1 Autobot human pretenders and how they failed to impress the youth in my neighborhood back in 1988.

I thought my last post was self explanatory.
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331403)
Posted by Blurrz on January 7th, 2012 @ 10:15pm CST
zodconvoy wrote:I'm also hoping that the bloodthirsty Ultra Magnus from the Universe two-pack with the Treadshot (with a nearly red Decepticon symbol) that was a Kohl's exclusive back in '04 ends up becoming part of the Shattered continuity just because of 1: how awesome it is and 2: how impossible it is to find! :lol: Plus, it's packaged with Magnus crushing Treadshot, monster truck style! That's pretty Shattered Glass to me!
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Haha oh dear, I still need that set. Even the Nightbeat is different (brighter plastic). I should probably bite on that before it skyrockets..
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331489)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 8th, 2012 @ 7:23am CST
Blurrz wrote:
zodconvoy wrote:I'm also hoping that the bloodthirsty Ultra Magnus from the Universe two-pack with the Treadshot (with a nearly red Decepticon symbol) that was a Kohl's exclusive back in '04 ends up becoming part of the Shattered continuity just because of 1: how awesome it is and 2: how impossible it is to find! :lol: Plus, it's packaged with Magnus crushing Treadshot, monster truck style! That's pretty Shattered Glass to me!
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Haha oh dear, I still need that set. Even the Nightbeat is different (brighter plastic). I should probably bite on that before it skyrockets..


Then I hope you have either kitbashing skills or a kitbasher in your neighborhood: the arm guards are switched on that Super-Con Prime repaint.
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331513)
Posted by waaaaghlord on January 8th, 2012 @ 9:09am CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Then I hope you have either kitbashing skills or a kitbasher in your neighborhood: the arm guards are switched on that Super-Con Prime repaint.


No real skills needed, they just pop off with a bit of force, quick left to right switch and he's sorted.
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331535)
Posted by zodconvoy on January 8th, 2012 @ 10:21am CST
waaaaghlord wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Then I hope you have either kitbashing skills or a kitbasher in your neighborhood: the arm guards are switched on that Super-Con Prime repaint.


No real skills needed, they just pop off with a bit of force, quick left to right switch and he's sorted.


Then you have the fists backwards. The arm cuffs have to be split in two and their adhered together with a glue but if you soak it in anything to dissolve it, the red paint will come off. I just opted to leave them the way they were. I already had Bendy Optimus and Nemesis so I wasn't really feeling the need to fiddle with it too much. It's been proudly standing on my Magnus shelf for like 7 years without bending his elbows! ;)
Re: BotCon 2012 Metalhawk Head Concept Sketch (1331540)
Posted by waaaaghlord on January 8th, 2012 @ 11:12am CST
zodconvoy wrote:Then you have the fists backwards. The arm cuffs have to be split in two and their adhered together with a glue but if you soak it in anything to dissolve it, the red paint will come off. I just opted to leave them the way they were.


You don't have to split them to get them off, they'll fit over the fists. Thay're not supposed to but they will. I've done the mod and as I said all it takes is the application of a little force.

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