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Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask

Transformers News: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask

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Thanks to Seibertronian Deadput, we have news on some concept art for the released Bumblebee film, with what we assume to be the Decepticons. Additionally, we also have concept art of Bumblebee's battle mask. The concept art was done by Joshua Viers on his Instagram. First, we'll show off the Bumblebee battle masks and a few Decepticons, then the rest with commentary from Deadput!

We have 5 different designs for the Bumblebee battle mask:
Transformers News: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask

Transformers News: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask

Transformers News: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask

Transformers News: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask

Transformers News: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask

Then four, quite unique, Decepticons, which obviously didn't make it to the film:
Transformers News: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask

Transformers News: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask

Transformers News: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask

Transformers News: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask

Now take it away, Deadput!
Deadput wrote:Was on Instagram and came across a user sharing another user's concept art for Dropkick in this movie.

The concept art is from Instagram account conceptbyjosh, which belongs to Joshua Viers who has worked on the upcoming Captain Marvel movie and also Star Wars

Two different rough designs, the first one seems to just be helicopter with no car parts in sight while the second is close to Dropkick's actual design. (Kinda fits my theory that originally that Shatter and Dropkick weren't going to be triple changers with Shatter just being a car and Dropkick just being a helicopter, I have no actual proof for this but with this, the studio series figures it kinda and apparently Bumblebee being chased by a blue helicoptor in the same early screening rumors where we first heard about the "starscream" that turned out to be Blitzwing before the first trailer dropped.)

Edit: looked at the first design again, I see car wheels on his legs but otherwise not much else.

I personally think these would make some sick generic Decepticons, the second as a movie version of the TFP Vehicons. (Having all 4 wheels on the shoulders however seems to make a toy out of that design...problematic)

A coincidence for sure but the second design also resembles what I was imagining Decepticon Battlecharger grunts in my version of the Cybertron sequence that I wrote in this thread a few weeks ago except in Earth mode and with helicopter bits.

Transformers News: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask

Transformers News: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask

Transformers News: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask

Transformers News: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask


Source:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BsV63GGFnyd/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BsWLWRDlnTA/

Follow up to the last post, Joshua posted a third concept today, this one looks quite Lockdown inspired (whether intentional or a coincidence who knows)

In his own words

"With this guy I was trying to come up with a Decepticon that looked like he could be fast."

Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/BsYbiC-Fva7/

Transformers News: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask

Transformers News: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask

Transformers News: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask
Credit(s): Deadput of Seibertron.com, conceptbyjosh on Instagram

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Re: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask (2003934)
Posted by Deadput on January 10th, 2019 @ 10:42pm CST
Ah darn I forgot to post the rest of the concept art here after I saw them up on the artist's Instagram, I'll make sure to post any other concept art though since I'm following just about every concept artist who worked on the film.

For my thoughts on the Bumblebee mask designs, the first one resembles a junk/gas mask to some degree, would like to see the "face" on a flamethrower or toxic based Decepticon like Oil Slick, Acid Storm or Sun Storm.


The other ones make for some nice pilot mask looking guys, maybe battle masks for Arial bots?
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Posted by -Crossfire- on January 10th, 2019 @ 11:12pm CST
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Whirl, is that you?
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Posted by Ultra Markus on January 11th, 2019 @ 12:01am CST
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Whirl, is that you?

I was thinking that same thing ;)^
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Posted by Ultra Markus on January 11th, 2019 @ 12:05am CST
Bee has a hard hat
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Posted by Deadput on January 11th, 2019 @ 12:29am CST
Ultra Markus wrote:Bee has a hard hat
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*Gasp* head design for generic prewar Constructicons! (Not the group of 6 we know I mean a worker class with set designs like the Seekers)

Could also work as pre war miners or something.
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Posted by Acolyte on January 11th, 2019 @ 12:43am CST
Hmmmm, I actually like the far more insectoid and less "cute wasp" battle masks.

The Decepticons look AMAZING! :BOWDOWN: Like something that walked out of Half Life: Episode 2. This just proves what some bold artistic risk balanced with practical design can achieve in the live action visual realm, and frankly makes all the vanilla G1 takes look boring and outdated by comparison. I realize the filmmakers didn't feel like they were "resigned" to recreating G1 onscreen, but with enough more GEEWUHN! in ALL of our evergreen pop culture franchise, we're all going to start feeling the burnout soon. This would have been a dose of fresh air to keep my hope alive. As it is, now we pretty much know what all of the characters are going to look like for the next several films at least (I mean, what's the risk they betray their G1 "mandate" so soon?).
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Posted by Easy Tiger on January 11th, 2019 @ 5:06am CST
Acolyte wrote:I realize the filmmakers didn't feel like they were "resigned" to recreating G1 onscreen, but with enough more GEEWUHN! in ALL of our evergreen pop culture franchise, we're all going to start feeling the burnout soon.


We'll be sure to check in with you when that happens. ;)

My hot take? That's exactly what happened with the old movies. Designs that were confusing to follow in motion. Designs that made crowd scenes unintelligible. Designs that made following characters between scenes difficult ("Is he the one from before?").

Bumblebee's currently rocking a 93% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. That's more than the previous four films combined.

If you want to tell stories that feature the robots as characters, you need to make them personable and easily identifiable. That's what they did.
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Posted by Ominous Sand on January 11th, 2019 @ 9:06am CST
Bumblebee’s fourth battle mask actually looks really cool, I think I prefer the one in the movie, though.
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Posted by Sabrblade on January 11th, 2019 @ 9:34am CST
You know, the more I think about it, the more I feel that this movie going for a more heavily G1-inspired look for its robot cast was kind of a necessary move to bring back audience familiar with the classic G1 looks after TLK had burned its audiences so much.

TLK was not the success it was anticipated to have been, so the Bumblebee movie really needed to do something new to really shake things up and pull audiences back in. And what with this movie already being a love letter to the pop culture of the 1980s, what better way to capitalize on that 80s nostalgia than to try for some 80s Transformers nostalgia?

It's actually a pretty smart move when you think about it. Giving people something familiar to reel them in, kinda like what The Force Awakens did with its many homages (both thematic and conceptually) to A New Hope.
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Posted by ZeroWolf on January 11th, 2019 @ 10:17am CST
Sabrblade wrote:You know, the more I think about it, the more I feel that this movie going for a more heavily G1-inspired look for its robot cast was kind of a necessary move to bring back audience familiar with the classic G1 looks after TLK had burned its audiences so much.

TLK was not the success it was anticipated to have been, so the Bumblebee movie really needed to do something new to really shake things up and pull audiences back in. And what with this movie already being a love letter to the pop culture of the 1980s, what better way to capitalize on that 80s nostalgia than to try for some 80s Transformers nostalgia?

It's actually a pretty smart move when you think about it. Giving people something familiar to reel them in, kinda like what The Force Awakens did with its many homages (both thematic and conceptually) to A New Hope.

Yet people had a go against The Force Awakens for that reason :-?

I have to say, I was always confused when people said they couldn't follow the action as I could perfectly. I know its my opinion but I've always had trouble understanding that criticism.

Although... Imagine if they made Bumblebee 2 take place in the 90s and had the cast sporting their G2 colour schemes and looks :lol: Though using G2 Turbo masters and Predator Jets as cast would get around continuity issues ;) Sky quake or Clench could fit in the main villain role quite easily.
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Posted by Ig89ninja on January 11th, 2019 @ 12:40pm CST
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The child of BM Strika and Obsidian :-P
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Posted by Ultra Markus on January 11th, 2019 @ 11:48pm CST
some of those robots kind of give me robocop ED-209 mixed with some of the many terminators from Salvation vibe
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Posted by Deadput on January 12th, 2019 @ 5:53am CST
Well here is some more Bumblebee concept art, this time from multiple people.

First we will start with an artist who has already shared art with us, Joshua Viers also known as conceptbyjosh, he has shared some early Decepticon head designs which eventually led to Dropkick's final head design, you can see the whole "speaker" mouth concept was planned for at least awhile as according to the description in the instagram post.

"Quick Decepticon head concepts for #bumblebeemovie . The director had some specific ideas that were fun to play with."

Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bsgxja1lnws/

Although the final design looks great itself and probably fits more with the "G1" like designs of the other characters these ones are still good looking on their own.


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Compare with the final version in the film.

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Next up we have another concept artist Thomas Pringle (Pringleart) who has done work on Transformers in the past, recently The Last Knight but has done other projects such as A Quiet Place and Star trek Discovery.

Only one art piece for now with presumably more to come but probably the most revealing one, art for a frozen Megatron with a different design, not quite G1 inspired like the ones in the final film or as describe by those who saw the Test Screenings in March but it is a much more rounded design and certainly one that clashes with the depiction in the 2007 film.

Much more is that the date for the art piece is 2017, 03, 28 which is March 28 in 2017, so they were possibly toying with reboot or redesign ideas before The Last Knight even hit theaters, this is a good example of how much time it takes to develop the behind scenes and development art for movies and a good reason why for Hasbro's movie toys tend to draw from concept art rather then final film stuff.

Even further backed up by the description on Instagram.

"A concept i did for the Bumblebee movie a few years back."

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Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/BsgCY2sFc21/


The final art for today comes from artist Tim Flattery who has done some work for previous Transformers films such as The Last Knight and even the original 2007 film not to mention his other work.

There is a lot of photos so I'll only post a few after the description but from top to bottom we have art for the "arm thing" that Bumblebee drops from his undercarriage when Charlie first works on him in her garage in the film.

Then we have have our first look at the "Allspark mutations" that were originally supposed to be in the film when Bumblebee accidentally got "Allspark Engergy" on the electronics in Charlie's house causing them to come to life and trash the house, ultimately despite the props for the creatures having been made and the scenes presumably filmed with other reports that Martin Short was to lend his voice to the scene, it was cut from the film and instead Bumblebee trashes the house all on his own, however one element of the film remained in an odd line from Charlie's Mom about why the Tv cord was cut.

Then we have some art and some pictures of the props for a couple of Sector 7's equipment in the film, first we get a look at the Harpoon guns that were used multiple times in the film at the start and the end, then we get a look at the "Electric Gun" that Sector 7 use to disable Bumblebee at one point in the film and Charlie used to "revive" Bumblebee after Dropkick shot and left him for dead, this electric gun resembles a Grenade tube launcher somewhat.

Finally we see some pics of a Bumblebee head and chest prop with notable focus on the "eye" design.

The source comes from his website http://www.timflattery.com/work/bumblebee/ and I'll post one picture for each of the concepts that I just talked about.

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Final art, although this has been up for a bit I couldn't find any page sources for the art itself but according to others the art is from Mark Yang who did do some work for The Last Knight and it fits his art style so it's probably true.

So while I wouldn't add it to a news article until the source is found I wanted to share the art regardless, these are near final designs for Blitzwing, Shatter and Dropkick with only some slightly different proportions and different but very similar head designs to the final film.

Although Tfwiki has the art on their page for the artist so maybe they have a real source
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Mark_Yang

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Re: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask (2004223)
Posted by Deadput on January 12th, 2019 @ 6:03am CST
Ah just as I finish submitting that post I find on Tfw2005 more of Thomas Pringle's art including a bigger pic of the Megatron pic, although no source is listed in the post I found it on and I can't find anything on Thomas's sites and accounts which was the same case with Mark Yang's work.

But here are some pics including early looks at scenes like Bumblebee running from S7 in his WW2 look from TLK which is either what Bee was originally going to look like or it was a placeholder, notably as shown in the art itself and in the art name the beginning was originally going to take place in Vietnam. (I heard some thing about Vietnam in one of the posts from one of the March Test screening watchers but I don't remember the exact quote.)

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Can I just say Megatron looks absolutely huge here compared to 2007?
Re: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask (2004227)
Posted by ZeroWolf on January 12th, 2019 @ 6:28am CST
Design changes are the least bit worrying regarding continuity :lol: look at aligned ;) I think the idea was that Bumblebee was meant to be something of a last hurrah for that timeline and that a reboot was always planned (just not as soon as they first wanted) to allow the franchise to blend in seamlessly with the other hasbro movies that are being planned.

That said, a smaller cast of characters and a smaller budget with a tight script is probably the best way to handle tf movies at the moment, to gather momentum again.
Re: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask (2004231)
Posted by Deadput on January 12th, 2019 @ 6:49am CST
ZeroWolf wrote:Design changes are the least bit worrying regarding continuity :lol: look at aligned ;) I think the idea was that Bumblebee was meant to be something of a last hurrah for that timeline and that a reboot was always planned (just not as soon as they first wanted) to allow the franchise to blend in seamlessly with the other hasbro movies that are being planned.

That said, a smaller cast of characters and a smaller budget with a tight script is probably the best way to handle tf movies at the moment, to gather momentum again.


Yup a 2007 style film would probably help in regards to main robot cast, not including minor or background characters like most of the characters in the intro sequence on Cybertron in the film, I think those are fine, this also doesn't include any cannonfodder, Autobot or Decepticon. (I would love to see some Autobot fodder, not in large numbers but like 4-5 extra guys compared to the Autobots, don't even need to kill em all either)

I think a good balance of 6 Autobots (I hate 5 man bands, I hate this concept in the Transformers tv shows) and 7-8 Decepticons (Just a little more to "outnumber" the Autobots but still keep the cast tight and focused) is decent enough, it would help if there was only like 3-4 main humans including military
so that there is enough focus on the Transformers and their story assuming that it takes place on Earth.


As much as I liked the human characters in 2007 I think it was a bit much to have Sam and his family and school "friends", the Military, the Hacker group and Sector 7 plots all over the place, just one or two bystanders and the military/Sector 7 type group is enough.

As for the robot casts themselves they should comprise of half familiar G1 characters and half obscure (Unicron trilogy, etc) and "new" characters, I have no problem with visiting old characters as long as we get new characters/ideas with them.

How cool would it be to have an Autobot cast of Prime, Bee, Prowl, Ironhide, Hot Shot, Arcee, Strongarm, Medix/First Aid/Red Alert (Armada) and some Autotroopers/Generic Autobots like the Bumblebee Cybertron scene (That blue Ironhide/Ratchet looked crisp) vs a Decepticon cast of Starscream, Soundwave (and minions), Barricade, Slipstream, Skywarp, Thundercracker, Bludgeon, Flatline, Flamewar and a small squad of Seekers and Battlechargers/Vehicons.

I only have the generic characters there so we can avoid killing important characters as much as possible but we know the audience is gonna want action and at times the action might get a little boring without some awesome robot deaths. (I mean it's war, people die and such, the films should take more advantage of being allowed to tell more mature stories by exploring war and the internal conflicts it has.)

(I would like to avoid the token female Trope, I'd prefer multiple female Transformers or none at all)

The next movie should be a tad bigger in cast since Transformers is an ensemble cast type property and doesn't work as well for solo Superhero style movies with only Prime and Bumblebee being exceptions that would work with an audience. (A Dinobot, Wrecker, {insert name of combiner/other team here} is still an ensemble cast movie even if the focus was on a small squad of characters.)
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Posted by RobRobRobRobRob on January 12th, 2019 @ 8:36pm CST
With Bumblebee comfortably enjoying its fourth weekend in American theaters, fellow Seibertronian Sabrblade has made us aware that Bumblebee’s success has not been limited to the critical-sphere. Far from it, for a recent statement from Viacom CEO Robert M. Bakish has cemented Bumblebee as a financial success.

Speaking at the Citi TMT West Conference in Las Vegas this last Wednesday, Bakish made explicit reference to Bumblebee’s success, and that it had proven “solidly profitable”. Bakish specifically compared Bumblebee to 2017’s infamous The Last Knight, which had lost over $100 million domestically. As recorded by Box Office Mojo, Bumblebee currently stands at a domestic gross of over $100 million with a $135 million budget, with an additional $307 million grossed worldwide. Though relatively low compared to early films in the franchise, Bumblebee does appear to be steering the franchise back towards profitability.

With Bumblebee still running strongly in theaters, only time will tell how far it climbs. Fortunately for fans of the films, it appears that these earnings only further reaffirm the franchise's continuation into the foreseeable future.

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Posted by Sentinel_Primal on January 12th, 2019 @ 9:42pm CST
:PRAY: :PRAY: :PRAY: Please lead to Beast Wars movie, please lead to Beast Wars movie, please lead to Beast Wars movie, please lead to Beast Wars movie... And also a reboot because this movie is too different from Bay's universe, and it'd be nice to see a new cinematic Transformers universe
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Posted by crash8burnt on January 12th, 2019 @ 10:26pm CST
For all the hype that surrounds the movie........, I hate to admit....., this can’t even beat any of the 5 bayverse movies. I wouldn’t say worst, but the most on par.

Blitzwing was so short lived. Luckily it’s not Starscream. But it was definitely a missed opportunity that Knight didn’t make use of the story of SS , instead of Biltzwing, damaging Bumblebee’s voice cord and having BB seeking revenge in the next movie.

The sparks between Charlie and BB also can’t be compared to Sam and BB’s. I really hate to admit...., but the bond between man and machine was so much fun and interesting in Bay’s TF than in Knight’s.

The fights between the bots were very unrealistic, i.e. one can easily twist the plot to make either the bot or the cons win. It’s very obvious that BB can’t possibly beat any of the cons, and at times, can easily be killed. but it managed to win all the battles.

What about the rumours on the show focusing more on the story of the bots and transformation? To me, I don’t find myself knowing more about BB or the cons. The transformation was also very minimal.

The G1 looking of the bots are really not bad, much much better than the insects-looking things in bayverse. Except, why still give us a ‘Grandma-on-pacifier’ looking BB?

.....I really, really hate to admit....., but I will still watch TF 1 to 5 over and over again, but this Bumblebee movie, it will be the first and the last time...
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Posted by Sabrblade on January 12th, 2019 @ 10:26pm CST
Sentinel_Primal wrote::PRAY: :PRAY: :PRAY: Please lead to Beast Wars movie, please lead to Beast Wars movie, please lead to Beast Wars movie, please lead to Beast Wars movie... And also a reboot because this movie is too different from Bay's universe, and it'd be nice to see a new cinematic Transformers universe
What made Beast Wars so good in the first place would likely never be recaptured by Hollywood.

With our luck, we'd end up with Optimus Primal throwing his feces at the camera while Megatron (voiced by a misdirected Sylvester Stallone) roars all of his dialogue (because he's a dinosaur, geddit?), while Cheetor (voiced by Owen Wilson) is the personal ride/pet/aide/sidekick/etc. of the movie's lead role who, for some reason, is an obnoxious human character played by a white male actor with a macho physique and a 'Murica! attitude.
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Posted by ZeroWolf on January 13th, 2019 @ 2:49am CST
Sabrblade wrote:
Sentinel_Primal wrote::PRAY: :PRAY: :PRAY: Please lead to Beast Wars movie, please lead to Beast Wars movie, please lead to Beast Wars movie, please lead to Beast Wars movie... And also a reboot because this movie is too different from Bay's universe, and it'd be nice to see a new cinematic Transformers universe
What made Beast Wars so good in the first place would likely never be recaptured by Hollywood.

With our luck, we'd end up with Optimus Primal throwing his feces at the camera while Megatron (voiced by a misdirected Sylvester Stallone) roars all of his dialogue (because he's a dinosaur, geddit?), while Cheetor (voiced by Owen Wilson) is the personal ride/pet/aide/sidekick/etc. of the movie's lead role who, for some reason, is an obnoxious human character played by a white male actor with a macho physique and a 'Murica! attitude.

Bumblebee turned out well ;) Though I think we are a long way out from a Beast Wars movie anyway, and if they can find someone who cares for G1, they'll find someone who cares for beast wars... If they do ever make it. But I'd imagine it'll be after the big reboot film.
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Posted by Rodimus Prime on January 13th, 2019 @ 3:09am CST
Sabrblade wrote:
Sentinel_Primal wrote::PRAY: :PRAY: :PRAY: Please lead to Beast Wars movie, please lead to Beast Wars movie, please lead to Beast Wars movie, please lead to Beast Wars movie... And also a reboot because this movie is too different from Bay's universe, and it'd be nice to see a new cinematic Transformers universe
What made Beast Wars so good in the first place would likely never be recaptured by Hollywood.
I don't get how people think a Beast Wars movie is a good idea. The story of Beast Wars is too complex to be told in 2 hours, unless it's limited to a handful of Transformers characters and all the events of the series get crammed into the movie. Leaving them out would cripple the story severely. If they go in another direction and come up with an all-new story, it would have to be a prequel to the series.
With our luck, we'd end up with Optimus Primal throwing his feces at the camera while Megatron (voiced by a misdirected Sylvester Stallone) roars all of his dialogue (because he's a dinosaur, geddit?), while Cheetor (voiced by Owen Wilson) is the personal ride/pet/aide/sidekick/etc.
Don't give them any ideas, in case any of them are reading these boards.
of the movie's lead role who, for some reason, is an obnoxious human character played by a white male actor with a macho physique and a 'Murica! attitude.
As bad as that is, it would still be a step up over the disgusting interracial garbage they tried to pass off as romance in the Bee movie.
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Posted by Evil Eye on January 13th, 2019 @ 6:31am CST
Rodimus Prime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Sentinel_Primal wrote::PRAY: :PRAY: :PRAY: Please lead to Beast Wars movie, please lead to Beast Wars movie, please lead to Beast Wars movie, please lead to Beast Wars movie... And also a reboot because this movie is too different from Bay's universe, and it'd be nice to see a new cinematic Transformers universe
What made Beast Wars so good in the first place would likely never be recaptured by Hollywood.
I don't get how people think a Beast Wars movie is a good idea. The story of Beast Wars is too complex to be told in 2 hours, unless it's limited to a handful of Transformers characters and all the events of the series get crammed into the movie. Leaving them out would cripple the story severely. If they go in another direction and come up with an all-new story, it would have to be a prequel to the series.

I'd agree, unless it was an original story not actually set in the BW continuity but heavily inspired by BW it wouldn't work. I can't see it turning out well anyway, and to be honest I don't think it's necessary. Animation aside, BW still holds up very well.

With our luck, we'd end up with Optimus Primal throwing his feces at the camera while Megatron (voiced by a misdirected Sylvester Stallone) roars all of his dialogue (because he's a dinosaur, geddit?), while Cheetor (voiced by Owen Wilson) is the personal ride/pet/aide/sidekick/etc.
Don't give them any ideas, in case any of them are reading these boards.

If Knight or someone like him (a fan of the series) was at the helm then I can't see that being an issue. Though to be fair BW could be pretty low brow at times (remember Rhinox's indigestion episode?).
of the movie's lead role who, for some reason, is an obnoxious human character played by a white male actor with a macho physique and a 'Murica! attitude.
As bad as that is, it would still be a step up over the disgusting interracial garbage they tried to pass off as romance in the Bee movie.

I assume the word you're looking for is "interspecies", as in Bumblebee X Charlie, because interracial means something quite different and might raise a few eyebrows! :lol:
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Posted by ZeroWolf on January 13th, 2019 @ 6:39am CST
I thought he meant the humans with the romance comment
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Posted by Ig89ninja on January 13th, 2019 @ 8:55am CST
ZeroWolf wrote:I thought he meant the humans with the romance comment

SPOILER

But weren’t they just friends at the end of the film
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Posted by Rodimus Prime on January 13th, 2019 @ 9:29am CST
ZeroWolf wrote:I thought he meant the humans with the romance comment
I did. The end result may have been friendship, but that was still cringeworthy. And because of the end result being a friendship, it was totally unnecessary.

Also, it's almost a given that there will be at least one sequel. Is Bee going to find yet another human to be best friends with before he gets to Sam? Wouldn't it have been better to leave Bee and Charlie's friendship open-ended so it can be built on in a possible sequel?
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Posted by Flashwave on January 13th, 2019 @ 9:53am CST
Rodimus Prime wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:I thought he meant the humans with the romance comment
I did. The end result may have been friendship, but that was still cringeworthy. And because of the end result being a friendship, it was totally unnecessary.

Also, it's almost a given that there will be at least one sequel. Is Bee going to find yet another human to be best friends with before he gets to Sam? Wouldn't it have been better to leave Bee and Charlie's friendship open-ended so it can be built on in a possible sequel?


Would I prefer more of Bee and Charlie over another Human? Absolutely. But I think for the arc of Charlie’s emotional growth this was the best and only option.

Remember,, she says int he beginning that what’s eating her up was that she never got to say good bye to her Dad. And take it from someone who lost their father at the same age, but had 5 years to prepare for it, that’s an important thing to miss out on. Bee wasn’t really a surrogate Dad, but he was the first person she could connect with after that And since her Dad was a Car Guy, having someone like him manifest AS a car was probably a close enough bridge. When she thought Bee was dead at the bottom of the DryDock, she dove in to do just that, (or that’s my interpretation.) And getting to say it properly to Bee at the end set it in stone.

In my head, Bee tries to revisit his old friend sometime later, by surprising the now Mechanic Charlie at a repair facility. However. While up on the lift, Charlie manages to recognize the old battle wounds first, and shouts Oh my God a Decepticon!” Causing Bee to attempt to Transform and go on the Defensive, but of course he’s on a car lift and transforming doesn’t go... exactly as planned. Two old friends reunite with Bee hanging like a broken marionette, half transformed, 7 feet off the ground, unharmed but stuck, running through old clips of exasperations while Charlie is rolling on the floor laughing.
Re: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask (2004417)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on January 13th, 2019 @ 10:58am CST
Flashwave wrote:she says int he beginning that what’s eating her up was that she never got to say good bye to her Dad. And take it from someone who lost their father at the same age, but had 5 years to prepare for it, that’s an important thing to miss out on. Bee wasn’t really a surrogate Dad, but he was the first person she could connect with after that And since her Dad was a Car Guy, having someone like him manifest AS a car was probably a close enough bridge. When she thought Bee was dead at the bottom of the DryDock, she dove in to do just that, (or that’s my interpretation.) And getting to say it properly to Bee at the end set it in stone.
But did it have to bring their friendship to a definite close? Or did he just think he had to leave because Prime showed up
In my head, Bee tries to revisit his old friend sometime later, by surprising the now Mechanic Charlie at a repair facility. However. While up on the lift, Charlie manages to recognize the old battle wounds first, and shouts Oh my God a Decepticon!” Causing Bee to attempt to Transform and go on the Defensive, but of course he’s on a car lift and transforming doesn’t go... exactly as planned. Two old friends reunite with Bee hanging like a broken marionette, half transformed, 7 feet off the ground, unharmed but stuck, running through old clips of exasperations while Charlie is rolling on the floor laughing.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Re: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask (2004439)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 13th, 2019 @ 12:01pm CST
She had to say goodbye in order to move on and heal. She needed that closure that she never got to have with her dad.
Re: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask (2004441)
Posted by Munkky on January 13th, 2019 @ 12:02pm CST
And with this news, I may take a short break from Transformers. There's still a handful of figures I still want, like Studio Series Jetfire and Siege Shockwave, but overall I think I'll dip out and come back once the brand's "Back to Basics, Back to the 80's" phase has ended.
Re: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask (2004443)
Posted by ZeroWolf on January 13th, 2019 @ 12:04pm CST
Munkky wrote:And with this news, I may take a short break from Transformers. There's still a handful of figures I still want, like Studio Series Jetfire and Siege Shockwave, but overall I think I'll dip out and come back once the brand's "Back to Basics, Back to the 80's" phase has ended.

To borrow a Furmanism "It never ends..."
Re: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask (2004496)
Posted by Deadput on January 13th, 2019 @ 4:37pm CST
Munkky wrote:And with this news, I may take a short break from Transformers. There's still a handful of figures I still want, like Studio Series Jetfire and Siege Shockwave, but overall I think I'll dip out and come back once the brand's "Back to Basics, Back to the 80's" phase has ended.


Well reason we are in that "phase" right now is because the franchise needs to heal, it needs to go in the safe direction.

Expect the next movie whether it's part of a new reboot universe or a prequel (Or maybe even sequel that ignores the Unicron plot for now) to the Bay films to not bring in anything drastically new and instead a rehash of a previous story in the franchise.

Like a Force Awakens of Transformers.
Re: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask (2004516)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 13th, 2019 @ 5:32pm CST
I really hope that Bumblebee is a soft reboot of the movie franchise. It's a GOOD movie that deserves it's own series.

It also give hopes for a possible BEAST WARS movie done the same way.
Re: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask (2004518)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 13th, 2019 @ 5:33pm CST
Deadput wrote:Like a Force Awakens of Transformers.


But we certainly WON'T need a "The Last Jedi of Transformers". :SICK:
Re: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask (2004527)
Posted by TulioDude on January 13th, 2019 @ 5:55pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:
Deadput wrote:Like a Force Awakens of Transformers.


But we certainly WON'T need a "The Last Jedi of Transformers". :SICK:


I agree
Re: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask (2004529)
Posted by Ig89ninja on January 13th, 2019 @ 6:04pm CST
TulioDude wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
Deadput wrote:Like a Force Awakens of Transformers.


But we certainly WON'T need a "The Last Jedi of Transformers". :SICK:


I agree

That was ROTF
Re: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask (2004531)
Posted by Deadput on January 13th, 2019 @ 6:21pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:
Deadput wrote:Like a Force Awakens of Transformers.


But we certainly WON'T need a "The Last Jedi of Transformers". :SICK:

Certainly wouldn't want that of course.

It will probably be a G1 based story (A simple sort of story), maybe with a "minor" mcguffin (Hopefully not) but probably just a skirmish or a fight for energon/resources.

A story like the first 3 parter More then Meets the Eye episode(s) of G1 would probably be nice, although I've outgrown the Transformers I will always have a soft spot for that 3 parter. A movie like that would probably be nice.
Re: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask (2004533)
Posted by 15ngcs1 on January 13th, 2019 @ 6:36pm CST
Rodimus Prime wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:I thought he meant the humans with the romance comment
I did. The end result may have been friendship, but that was still cringeworthy. And because of the end result being a friendship, it was totally unnecessary.

Also, it's almost a given that there will be at least one sequel. Is Bee going to find yet another human to be best friends with before he gets to Sam? Wouldn't it have been better to leave Bee and Charlie's friendship open-ended so it can be built on in a possible sequel?


Isn't the point of Memo to show that after Charlie's dad died, she wouldn't let anyone into her life, but after meeting Bee, she could?
Re: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask (2004558)
Posted by Deadput on January 13th, 2019 @ 10:23pm CST
15ngcs1 wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:I thought he meant the humans with the romance comment
I did. The end result may have been friendship, but that was still cringeworthy. And because of the end result being a friendship, it was totally unnecessary.

Also, it's almost a given that there will be at least one sequel. Is Bee going to find yet another human to be best friends with before he gets to Sam? Wouldn't it have been better to leave Bee and Charlie's friendship open-ended so it can be built on in a possible sequel?


Isn't the point of Memo to show that after Charlie's dad died, she wouldn't let anyone into her life, but after meeting Bee, she could?


Now that you mention it I think that is indeed the point to his character, not even acknowledging the character at first but Bumblebee gives Charlie the opportunity to be able to have real friends again.

Plus having Memo around means that Charlie still has a friend after Bumblebee leaves because it would be kind of a bitter ending if Charlie is left all alone again even with a better relationship with her family.

(Plus I think he also exists so people don't end up thinking Bumblebee and Charlie's relationship is "romantic" which I will say was a big worry to me prior to seeing the movie, not that I have any problem with the concept of a Transformer and Human romance but I don't think a movie would be able to portray that well and it would be controversial both in the fandom and the general audience.)
Re: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask (2004560)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 13th, 2019 @ 10:48pm CST
Deadput wrote:
15ngcs1 wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:I thought he meant the humans with the romance comment
I did. The end result may have been friendship, but that was still cringeworthy. And because of the end result being a friendship, it was totally unnecessary.

Also, it's almost a given that there will be at least one sequel. Is Bee going to find yet another human to be best friends with before he gets to Sam? Wouldn't it have been better to leave Bee and Charlie's friendship open-ended so it can be built on in a possible sequel?


Isn't the point of Memo to show that after Charlie's dad died, she wouldn't let anyone into her life, but after meeting Bee, she could?


Now that you mention it I think that is indeed the point to his character, not even acknowledging the character at first but Bumblebee gives Charlie the opportunity to be able to have real friends again.

Plus having Memo around means that Charlie still has a friend after Bumblebee leaves because it would be kind of a bitter ending if Charlie is left all alone again even with a better relationship with her family.

(Plus I think he also exists so people don't end up thinking Bumblebee and Charlie's relationship is "romantic" which I will say was a big worry to me prior to seeing the movie, not that I have any problem with the concept of a Transformer and Human romance but I don't think a movie would be able to portray that well and it would be controversial both in the fandom and the general audience.)
And Memo becoming her friend also seemed to serve as a means of subverting the age-old cliche of "guy and girl get together by the end of the movie when there's little reason for them to do so", showing that they can be just friends in a platonic way without needing for force them into a romance. Sure, Memo was attracted to her, but he's an awkward boy-next-door type teenager, of course he'd find her attractive. The point of his offering to her hold her hand and her declining his offer shows strength in the writing for both Charlie's character (showing her independence not needing to jump into any kind of romantic relationship) and Memo's character (when Charlie declines his offer, the fact that he's cool with it shows that he can be the better man and respect her wishes with honor and grace, content with her at least opening up to him as a new friend).
Re: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask (2004662)
Posted by o.supreme on January 14th, 2019 @ 12:22pm CST
Not exactly sure how they can call BB *profitable* just yet, unless they are just counting chickens before they hatch. i can see it being profitable, maybe within the next 2 weeks, but not just yet.

Most people go by the general rule now, that for a movie to be considered *profitable* its WW Gross has to be at least 3X it's budget. (to incorporate money for advertising, ancillaries etc...). For instance, some horror movies that have budgets of less than 10M, are easily profitable, if they make only 100M, (just domestically), they have already made 10x their budget.

For instance Transformers TLK (an awful film to be sure) had a budget of 217M, and a final WW Gross of 605M (92% of 3X its budget), thus it was not only a failure critically, but also financially.

However BB, while having a much more modest budget of only 135M, has to date only made 364M WW (90% of 3X it's budget, still less percentage wise than TLK). Now while there is a *possibility* BB could still rack in another 40M Globally in the next 2-3 weeks, it's not entirely a guarantee. Unless the advertising/ancillaries for this film were again, much ,more conservative, then I guess they *technically* could call it a financial success.

Of course, none of this takes away the fact that general audiences, and critics seem to universally agree that BB IS the best Live Action TF film to date, its just that the *general audience* that is going to see this film is a relatively small crowd.

I'm happy that awards buzz (no pun intended), is Giving Spider-Man Into the Spiderverse an extra push. I just hoped that positive word of mouth would do the same for BB (no awards contention necessary).
Re: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask (2004694)
Posted by Flashwave on January 14th, 2019 @ 3:59pm CST
o.supreme wrote:Not exactly sure how they can call BB *profitable* just yet, unless they are just counting chickens before they hatch. i can see it being profitable, maybe within the next 2 weeks, but not just yet.

Most people go by the general rule now, that for a movie to be considered *profitable* its WW Gross has to be at least 3X it's budget. (to incorporate money for advertising, ancillaries etc...). For instance, some horror movies that have budgets of less than 10M, are easily profitable, if they make only 100M, (just domestically), they have already made 10x their budget.

For instance Transformers TLK (an awful film to be sure) had a budget of 217M, and a final WW Gross of 605M (92% of 3X its budget), thus it was not only a failure critically, but also financially.

However BB, while having a much more modest budget of only 135M, has to date only made 364M WW (90% of 3X it's budget, still less percentage wise than TLK). Now while there is a *possibility* BB could still rack in another 40M Globally in the next 2-3 weeks, it's not entirely a guarantee. Unless the advertising/ancillaries for this film were again, much ,more conservative, then I guess they *technically* could call it a financial success.

Of course, none of this takes away the fact that general audiences, and critics seem to universally agree that BB IS the best Live Action TF film to date, its just that the *general audience* that is going to see this film is a relatively small crowd.

I'm happy that awards buzz (no pun intended), is Giving Spider-Man Into the Spiderverse an extra push. I just hoped that positive word of mouth would do the same for BB (no awards contention necessary).


Not sure I understand ypur point 100%, but Bee's total as of thr article was 100m Domestic+ 307m ww, for a total income of 407. Which put them at 99.5% of 3x Budget. Yes no?
Re: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask (2004698)
Posted by o.supreme on January 14th, 2019 @ 4:06pm CST
boxofficemojo.com reflects 367M, as of this weekend (109M Domestic, 258M foreign)**this total has been updated since I initially posted earlier

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?i ... rmers6.htm
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Posted by Flashwave on January 14th, 2019 @ 4:25pm CST
o.supreme wrote:boxofficemojo.com reflects 367M, as of this weekend (109M Domestic, 258M foreign)**this total has been updated since I initially posted earlier

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?i ... rmers6.htm


Odd.

News Article wrote:Speaking at the Citi TMT West Conference in Las Vegas this last Wednesday, Bakish made explicit reference to Bumblebee’s success, and that it had proven “solidly profitable”. Bakish specifically compared Bumblebee to 2017’s infamous The Last Knight, which had lost over $100 million domestically. As recorded by Box Office Mojo, Bumblebee currently stands at a domestic gross of over $100 million with a $135 million budget, with an additional $307 million grossed worldwide. Though relatively low compared to early films in the franchise, Bumblebee does appear to be steering the franchise back towards profitability.


So either the BOM numbers were adjusted down or the article made a goof. That would be the source of our confusion though ;-)
Re: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask (2005066)
Posted by ZeroWolf on January 16th, 2019 @ 3:08pm CST
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Re: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask (2005075)
Posted by shocksound96 on January 16th, 2019 @ 3:55pm CST
Just pre-ordered mine :KREMZEEK:
Re: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask (2005240)
Posted by o.supreme on January 17th, 2019 @ 10:29am CST
I'm not really into steelbooks, I just try to get whichever version has the most actual content. Target's TLK BRD was the only version that included Machinima's CW. I'm hoping at least one release of BB will have TR & PotP included. Yeah I know these series are horrible, still I'd like to have them in some format for the sake of completion.

So...no word on bonus content yet I assume, since we dont even have a release date.
Re: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask (2006002)
Posted by o.supreme on January 21st, 2019 @ 11:43am CST
o.supreme wrote:boxofficemojo.com reflects 367M, as of this weekend (109M Domestic, 258M foreign)**this total has been updated since I initially posted earlier

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?i ... rmers6.htm


One week later BMO has it at 117M domestic & 296M foreign= WW 413M (Budget X3=405M)

NOW
it is officially profitable :-D
Re: Bumblebee film concept art for the Decepticons and Bumblebee's battle mask (2006050)
Posted by 15ngcs1 on January 21st, 2019 @ 4:28pm CST
o.supreme wrote:
o.supreme wrote:boxofficemojo.com reflects 367M, as of this weekend (109M Domestic, 258M foreign)**this total has been updated since I initially posted earlier

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?i ... rmers6.htm


One week later BMO has it at 117M domestic & 296M foreign= WW 413M (Budget X3=405M)

NOW
it is officially profitable :-D


Great to hear that!

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