Chinese editorial on "Shanghai attack" in Transformers: ROTF

Maybe if they took their collective red books out of their rectums and stopped producing all kinds of K/O crap.. maybe THEN we would listen.

till then? I'm staying Taiwanese!

Waaah, cry me a river. It's a movie. Who cares who they bombed in a fictitious story.

Weren't they the same ones who made the Bumblebee parade?

They wanna complain about that? Do you see anyone in the navy, or even the united states alone complaining they took out an entire Carrier? It took transformers to destroy a US Aircraft Carrier LOL! I'm in the navy and I think that's awesome! Cause I know its fictitious.

So, they bombed Paris, Egypt, USA bases,etc. and Chinese get offended because they also bombed Shanghai. LOL.

People were shocked at Bay for pulling Megatron and Optimus through a sky scrapper in TF1 depicting it 9/11ish but no one here is complaining.

China just needs to grow a pair of Devestator-sized balls and just grin and bear it.

Totally ridiculous that they're getting worked up over this. So obsessed with reputation/saving face. Seriously, some asian countries need to chill out. Whatever. Yeah, they'll get over it.

kirbenvost wrote:Totally ridiculous that they're getting worked up over this. So obsessed with reputation/saving face. Seriously, some asian countries need to chill out. Whatever. Yeah, they'll get over it.

Should be noted that it's not 'The Chinese People' makng the complaint, just some idiot editorial piece.

Yes, the government-alligned Chinese Press strikes again. I'm not surprised considering most Communist countries have inter-governmental confidence issues due to how weak the system in question is. Still, the rest of the world (especially the rest of Asia) doesn't care. India itself changed Oliver Stone's 'Alexander' by making appear as if he died IN India after a amazingly successful Indian military campaign - then the film ended right away!

Counterpunch wrote:

kirbenvost wrote:Totally ridiculous that they're getting worked up over this. So obsessed with reputation/saving face. Seriously, some asian countries need to chill out. Whatever. Yeah, they'll get over it.

Should be noted that it's not 'The Chinese People' makng the complaint, just some idiot editorial piece.

True, my mistake.

It just bugs me a lot because I know the whole 'saving face' thing is a huge thing in Chinese culture. I know because my girlfriend is Chinese-Canadian. XD If people are really outraged about it, that's just so damn uptight, and that really annoys me. It's just a movie, get over it, etc etc. But if it is indeed just a stupid editorial (no doubt biased towards the government), then yeah, *shrug* I guess. /rant

Kiracon wrote:They wanna complain about that? Do you see anyone in the navy, or even the united states alone complaining they took out an entire Carrier? It took transformers to destroy a US Aircraft Carrier LOL! I'm in the navy and I think that's awesome! Cause I know its fictitious.

You're saying a carrier that has been ripped in half will still stay afloat even at dog zebra? I kinda doubt that. I was in the navy, too. As a submairiner, I got to see my end of the service in action too. Megatron taking the sail of that sub would have doom the sub for sure.

So wait if "they" are upset about Shanghai looking shabby, and it was filmed in Bethlehm PA, are they trying to say Western PA is Shabby?

Shockerwave333 wrote:So wait if "they" are upset about Shanghai looking shabby, and it was filmed in Bethlehm PA, are they trying to say Western PA is Shabby?

LOL, I wouldn't put it past them. I think what really got them PO'd was the depiction of the grotto adjacent to the industrial area. After all, they have an "image" to uphold. What they fail to take into account is that any of us watching the national news have seen firsthand the conditions over there. Rather than trying to maintain an image the government should actually try to do something about the problem and improve the situation for it's people. Of course, that can be said for all nations since everyone has places like that bordering their industrial zones to some degree or another. If the U.S. was that ashamed of all of its "redneck" regions can you imagine how much of the country would be closed off to the rest of the world?
I think the whole situation is laughable at best. I saw nothing disparaging at all about how Shanghai was depicted. In fact, the majority of the shots outside of the construction site were of a sprawling metropolis so I don't understand the issue here.
We were all watching the troops and the robots anyway, who cares about the backdrop?!

Evolution Prime wrote:

Kiracon wrote:They wanna complain about that? Do you see anyone in the navy, or even the united states alone complaining they took out an entire Carrier? It took transformers to destroy a US Aircraft Carrier LOL! I'm in the navy and I think that's awesome! Cause I know its fictitious.

You're saying a carrier that has been ripped in half will still stay afloat even at dog zebra? I kinda doubt that. I was in the navy, too. As a submairiner, I got to see my end of the service in action too. Megatron taking the sail of that sub would have doom the sub for sure.

When I say fictitious I mean the carrier is still floating irl, and this aren't real events. You don't see robots raining down and taking out ships, buildings and such. lol

before you bash the article you should read all of it. All that was posted was the negative, and the entire pro part of it that basically said if you don't like it then do what you can to make the city greater.

Pros:

Aren't some Chinese overreacting to this science fiction movie? They cannot even stand an old house! Aren't they being too sensitive?

Shanghai is the top city in China. But as with many other cities, there must be some shabby places somewhere in the city. Just like there are small rugged alleys under grand viaducts.

Is it only by shooting prosperous areas and ignoring shabby places, that we can not call it an insult to China?

The rational reaction should be to face the unsatisfactory reality and try our best to reform and construct out cities. Forbidding others to talk about our deficiencies and pretending to be perfect while we are not is only fooling ourselves.

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If I were Paramount, I'd leave the attack in, claiming it is a key plot point, and without that scene, you would not be able to understand the rationale for any future explosions throughout the whole movie.

Instead, Paramount should cut out the scene where the Carrier gets hit. Obviously, America cannot have their military show weakness to anybody who may want to sink a carrier someday, before we know it, all the Chinese knockoff factories will be knocking off a full-sized, fusion cannon bearing, ROTF Megatron...

And I'm lol-ing at the Chinese. One of the central tenents of Communism is that everyone is treated equally. Therefore, all Chinese citizens in Shanghai live in opulent penthouses, because there is no poor in China that has to live in a slum... At least that's what they want us to believe...

Shut the frak up china. Be happy they put one of your cities in the movie. So what if it wasnt filmed in the actual city and doesnt look 100% like it. This happens all the time on movies. Thats why its called a movie and not a documentary.

Counterpunch wrote:Oh well.

They'll get over it.

or they won't.

Either way, I don't care.

exactly.

This is a prime example of me not knowing what reactione would have gotten . I thought this one would have gotten 2-3 comments max.

In truth the writer did present both sides but I think the negative weighed more heavily in the piece.

I guess we won't be seeing Demolishor, huh?

once again the Chinese are pissed for what? all because they have Bethelem,PA which i happen to live in, turned the Steel plant into a chinese city and bombed the hell out of it and like one member said, they had to destory a aircraft carrier for one scene. China needs to chill and they should complain when they make cheal KOs and cheap ass toys

I thought "Shanghai" was awesome. Then again, I love me some dystopian society and it felt very earthy, so I don't know if I'm the fairest judge when it comes to things like that.

Sometimes we don't mix up press article with general chinese Transformers fans.
Press people write something with motives.

I am frequent visitors of Chinese TF fan sites, they are the same as us, complaining issues like Devastator balls, sick jokes, weak decepticons etc. I dont see a single thread that saying Michael Bay gave an bad impression about Shanghai.

So please dont get excited about a bloody press article. Chinese TF Fans are the same as us here, love TF and complaining the same things. No need to bring Politics into it.

Real Devastator wrote:Sometimes we don't mix up press article with general chinese Transformers fans.
Press people write something with motives.

I am frequent visitors of Chinese TF fan sites, they are the same as us, complaining issues like Devastator balls, sick jokes, weak decepticons etc. I dont see a single thread that saying Michael Bay gave an bad impression about Shanghai.

So please dont get excited about a bloody press article. Chinese TF Fans are the same as us here, love TF and complaining the same things. No need to bring Politics into it.

Yes, this was definitely an "opinion" piece.

OmegaConvoy117 wrote:once again the Chinese are pissed for what? all because they have Bethelem,PA which i happen to live in, turned the Steel plant into a chinese city and bombed the hell out of it and like one member said, they had to destory a aircraft carrier for one scene. China needs to chill and they should complain when they make cheal KOs and cheap ass toys

Haha, we're practically neighbors as I too live in Eastern PA. For the record, someone said Western, but it is Eastern, north of Philadelphia a bit. An hour and a half apart, maybe?

The thing that I have a hard time rationalizing is why iconic cities must always be included in movies like these. It's stereotypical and cliched. With a $200 million budget they could have researched and matched an industrial city very easily in China to make the movie more authentic.

Stormrider wrote:The thing that I have a hard time rationalizing is why iconic cities must always be included in movies like these. It's stereotypical and cliched. With a $200 million budget they could have researched and matched an industrial city very easily in China to make the movie more authentic.

Isn't that what they did?

I'm really confused by your post. They matched a steel city in the US with one in China.

The Chinese writers who put up that article are going to claim that there aren't parts of China where industry makes the city or parts of the city dirty?

They could have said those events took place in Bethlem, like they actually did, and I would be like, 'Yup, that's what steel and coke does to a place. That's industry. No shame.'

If you're saying that it should have been shot in China, I disagree for cost reasons and that it was a boost to the local US economy.

The inserted part by Silverbolt already makes my stomach turn. taking every part and mentioning "we're good at it" and if not "we'll become the best" it's this communist type of brainwashing.

If you stand behind this article, remember that these "kids" grew up having no concept of the tianmen riots. They grew up with propaganda and preach propaganda.
These "bloggers" are on equal footing with Scientology, they will flat out deny historical events like the Holocaust or the massacres in Tibet and get other *TOOLS* to spout their foul message into the world.

When the state controls the media, it's message simply can't be believe. This happens in Iran, Cuba and we're now seeing neo-dictatorships like Italy control all media outlets where even "simple bloggers" are just payed shills that sit in cubicles doing web-control (client relationships.)

China likes to use the Nanking massacre as a base to justify it's behaviour, But it's making damn sure they rake in the highest death tolls themselves
Let's go and do some more political bashing! Seibertron.com needs it.




P.S. .. sorry guys, I just needed to get that out of me before anyone thought that China really was the victim here

Counterpunch wrote:

Stormrider wrote:The thing that I have a hard time rationalizing is why iconic cities must always be included in movies like these. It's stereotypical and cliched. With a $200 million budget they could have researched and matched an industrial city very easily in China to make the movie more authentic.

Isn't that what they did?

I'm really confused by your post. They matched a steel city in the US with one in China.

The Chinese writers who put up that article are going to claim that there aren't parts of China where industry makes the city or parts of the city dirty?

They could have said those events took place in Bethlem, like they actually did, and I would be like, 'Yup, that's what steel and coke does to a place. That's industry. No shame.'

If you're saying that it should have been shot in China, I disagree for cost reasons and that it was a boost to the local US economy.

I agree that Shanghai is a dirty place, and I also have no problem with the shot being done in Bethlem, PA and then matched with a city else where. The problem that I have is writers and directors using stereotypical cities for their scenes, simply because the name is recognizable. It's like making a movie where meteorites fall on downtown Manhattan, Bangkok, and Paris. Why use Shanghai when there are so many other Chinese cities that are dirtier with steel mills? Shanghai is known as a metropolitan center.

The connection that I am trying to make here is that some directors and writers shouldn't think that it's a risk to match their settings to lesser known cities that meet their needs. By doing so, they make the movie more authentic instead of choosing a city or location because its name is recognizable.

Here are a couple steel mill cities in China that I googled. I am sure that I could find more interesting ones if I spent more time.

Shanxi


Shougang

If they don't use iconic cities, people sit there and go "where the hell is this place?".

It's not like we don't have places like that in America...oh wait...that IS an actual place in America.

You can feel better now China knowing that is what America actually looks like.