Clean Art for Hascon 2017 Magic The Gathering Grimlock, by Tyler Jacobson

This new Arcee.... at first I was all "neat!" but now that I've had time to let it digest... does anyone else feel it's kind of uninspired, unoriginal, kind of boring, and something that could have easily been a main line figure?

Convention exclusives I feel should really speak to the heart of the fandom, giving us stuff that you would never see otherwise. It might be super negative, but it almost feels like the death of niche TF's.

shajaki wrote:This new Arcee.... at first I was all "neat!" but now that I've had time to let it digest... does anyone else feel it's kind of uninspired, unoriginal, kind of boring, and something that could have easily been a main line figure?

Convention exclusives I feel should really speak to the heart of the fandom, giving us stuff that you would never see otherwise. It might be super negative, but it almost feels like the death of niche TF's.

This was most likely meant to be part of one the two cancelled box sets that were to come after the Siege on Cybertron set that's part of why Ultra Magnus here is in die cast (You can tell in the stock images by looking at his titanmaster torso.

This Arcee has more original molded parts here then most Botcon figures or most repaints have in general.

Deadput wrote:This Arcee has more original molded parts here then most Botcon figures or most repaints have in general.

Fair enough, but it doesn't address the fact that the character choice is so obvious and uninspired. JMO though.

shajaki wrote:

Deadput wrote:This Arcee has more original molded parts here then most Botcon figures or most repaints have in general.

Fair enough, but it doesn't address the fact that the character choice is so obvious and uninspired. JMO though.

Considering that the fandom has been clamoring for a Headmaster Arcee for decades now, I'd say this toy speaks very well to the heart of the fandom, as it's finally giving the fandom something it's wanted for so long now.

Whereas BotCon tended to give the fandom a lot of things that, while nice on there own, no one asked for and were usually desirable only after their existence was made known. By contrast, a Headmaster Arcee toy has been desired long before this toy existed.

Sabrblade wrote:

shajaki wrote:

Deadput wrote:This Arcee has more original molded parts here then most Botcon figures or most repaints have in general.

Fair enough, but it doesn't address the fact that the character choice is so obvious and uninspired. JMO though.

Considering that the fandom has been clamoring for a Headmaster Arcee for decades now, I'd say this toy speaks very well to the heart of the fandom, as it's finally giving the fandom something it's wanted for so long now.

Whereas BotCon tended to give the fandom a lot of things that, while nice on there own, no one asked for and were usually desirable only after their existence was made known. By contrast, a Headmaster Arcee toy has been desired long before this toy existed.

Fair point. I just hope imagination isn't thrown by the wayside.

shajaki wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

shajaki wrote:

Deadput wrote:This Arcee has more original molded parts here then most Botcon figures or most repaints have in general.

Fair enough, but it doesn't address the fact that the character choice is so obvious and uninspired. JMO though.

Considering that the fandom has been clamoring for a Headmaster Arcee for decades now, I'd say this toy speaks very well to the heart of the fandom, as it's finally giving the fandom something it's wanted for so long now.

Whereas BotCon tended to give the fandom a lot of things that, while nice on there own, no one asked for and were usually desirable only after their existence was made known. By contrast, a Headmaster Arcee toy has been desired long before this toy existed.

Fair point. I just hope imagination isn't thrown by the wayside.

There had to have been a ton of imagination put into all the retooling to make this figure as different from Blurr as it is.

And, once again, it's important to note -- this is not an exclusive. It will be available in stores or online retailers or something at some point, we're just getting it as Hascon first.

Sabrblade wrote:There had to have been a ton of imagination put into all the retooling to make this figure as different from Blurr as it is.

You're not getting me. Simply releasing an Arcee is not imaginative. She's an established, non-niche character. It appeals to the masses, not the niche in the fandom. Retooling is now the norm as well, and there's been more extreme examples of retooling than this.

Kurona wrote:And, once again, it's important to note -- this is not an exclusive. It will be available in stores or online retailers or something at some point, we're just getting it as Hascon first.

Really? Forgive my ignorance, I haven't been keeping up with the Hascon details. Will she be coming to regular in store retail?

shajaki wrote:

Kurona wrote:And, once again, it's important to note -- this is not an exclusive. It will be available in stores or online retailers or something at some point, we're just getting it as Hascon first.

Really? Forgive my ignorance, I haven't been keeping up with the Hascon details. Will she be coming to regular in store retail?

We don't really know how she'll be coming to mass retail, only that she will. It's possible she'll be an exclusive to BBTS or Walgreens or what have you; maybe she'll be released everywhere. All we know is that she's getting sold at Hascon, and then later down the line she'll be sold... somewhere. This is basically like if CW Liokaiser or TR Chaos on Velocitron was sold at a Botcon a few months before coming to where they were normally sold.

Kurona wrote:We don't really know how she'll be coming to mass retail, only that she will. It's possible she'll be an exclusive to BBTS or Walgreens or what have you; maybe she'll be released everywhere. All we know is that she's getting sold at Hascon, and then later down the line she'll be sold... somewhere. This is basically like if CW Liokaiser or TR Chaos on Velocitron was sold at a Botcon a few months before coming to where they were normally sold.

Gotcha. Thanks

Hah! and the rumors said she was gonna be a just a Loudmouth Repaint. So glad this is ligit but srsly can anyone tell me which Titan Masters Daniel and Magnus are retooled from or if they're new molds completely?

Prime Target wrote:Hah! and the rumors said she was gonna be a just a Loudmouth Repaint. So glad this is ligit but srsly can anyone tell me which Titan Masters Daniel and Magnus are retooled from or if they're new molds completely?

Magnus sort of looks like Fangry.

Prime Target wrote:Hah! and the rumors said she was gonna be a just a Loudmouth Repaint. So glad this is ligit but srsly can anyone tell me which Titan Masters Daniel and Magnus are retooled from or if they're new molds completely?

Leinad is a retool of Hyperfire with a new Titan Master head based on Daniel's exosuit helmet, and with a new Arcee face on his back.

Ultra Magnus uses Fangry as a base, but uses the same diecast metal torso as Rodimus Prime and Thunderwing, while keeping Fangry's Titan Master head, and has a new Ultra Magnus face on his back.

Sabrblade wrote:

Prime Target wrote:Hah! and the rumors said she was gonna be a just a Loudmouth Repaint. So glad this is ligit but srsly can anyone tell me which Titan Masters Daniel and Magnus are retooled from or if they're new molds completely?

Leinad is a retool of Hyperfire with a new Titan Master head based on Daniel's exosuit helmet, and with a new Arcee face on his back.

Ultra Magnus uses Fangry as a base, but uses the same diecast metal torso as Rodimus Prime and Thunderwing, while keeping Fangry's Titan Master head, and has a new Ultra Magnus face on his back.

I suggested that Arcee was a redecoed Loudmouth before I even heard of the rumors... Nah, couldn't be.

But Leinad and Ultra Magnus are indeed based on Stylor and Fangry respectively, though the card art has Magnus be a composite of the two. Plus, it's suspected they were part of a themed box set, but got split up.

Sabrblade wrote:

frogbat wrote:The cons are that it's an exclusive

Until it comes to retail later.

yep, but it'll be at a premium right?

Hopefully the Optimus power bank will be available elsewhere for non-scalper pricing.

I'm just waiting for BBTS and TFSource to have preorders up.

frogbat wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

frogbat wrote:The cons are that it's an exclusive

Until it comes to retail later.

yep, but it'll be at a premium right?

I wouldn't really think so. It's usually at the cons that prices are jacked up, for the sake of "getting it first".

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

frogbat wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

frogbat wrote:The cons are that it's an exclusive

Until it comes to retail later.

yep, but it'll be at a premium right?

I wouldn't really think so. It's usually at the cons that prices are jacked up, for the sake of "getting it first".

I highly doubt that the retail release would come with the Magnus.

The head sculpt on Arcee is great. The vehicle mode is a little lackluster as far as resemblance to the G1 cartoon.

I'm guessing the Ultra Magnus head will just be an Optimus head in White and Blue.

I love the packaging. I wonder if the wide release version will be in the same packaging or just in the standard packaging?